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cmdrost
12-14-2009, 04:07 PM
Please take the time to participate in this important survey on triple tail fishing.

www.ccalouisiana.com (http://www.ccalouisiana.com)

"W"
12-14-2009, 05:38 PM
Just took the Survey and read the article and agree about putting a limit on these fish but, I also don’t like the fact that we are getting Liberal toward our fishing! My out look is the same with Snapper....ITS A Big AZZ Gulf and lots of water! No way I mean no way are we even touching 10% of the snapper in the Gulf.... I fly about 500Miles every two weeks and can count on one hand the number of boats I see fishing out here.......when you take the number of boat per square mile......I would be unreal! I know the East side gets more pressure with charters but Still NO WAY we are hurting Snapper!!! I cannot see it... Same with Triple tail....They migrate in and out among a huge body of water!!! Millions on Millions of fish!!!! We have no clue what kind of structures and reefs the gulf holds and what kind of numbers we are looking at!!!!

I also heard talks of them wanting to drop the trout limit on Big Lake again.... I for one will fight against this one! 15 is fine we need to leave well enough alone! Hard headed guys dont understand one body of water can only hold so many fish no matter what you do!!! You cant but 10 shoes in a shoe box...not going to happen..... So cutting limits lower will no raise trout pouplation any more and if it does we wont see it!!!....

Ray
12-14-2009, 05:42 PM
I got the email from CCA a little while ago.

Hopedale Hustler
12-14-2009, 05:52 PM
Just took the Survey and read the article and agree about putting a limit on these fish but, I also don’t like the fact that we are getting Liberal toward our fishing! My out look is the same with Snapper....ITS A Big AZZ Gulf and lots of water! No way I mean no way are we even touching 10% of the snapper in the Gulf.... I fly about 500Miles every two weeks and can count on one hand the number of boats I see fishing out here.......when you take the number of boat per square mile......I would be unreal! I know the East side gets more pressure with charters but Still NO WAY we are hurting Snapper!!! I cannot see it... Same with Triple tail....They migrate in and out among a huge body of water!!! Millions on Millions of fish!!!! We have no clue what kind of structures and reefs the gulf holds and what kind of numbers we are looking at!!!!

I also heard talks of them wanting to drop the trout limit on Big Lake again.... I for one will fight against this one! 15 is fine we need to leave well enough alone! Hard headed guys dont understand one body of water can only hold so many fish no matter what you do!!! You cant but 10 shoes in a shoe box...not going to happen..... So cutting limits lower will no raise trout pouplation any more and if it does we wont see it!!!....



you hit the nail on the head..i personally say raise yalls limit to 25 because much like snapper we are only touching a very small number of the trout there are....liberal fisherman will be the death of the sport...

Gerald
12-14-2009, 06:19 PM
Just took the Survey and read the article and agree about putting a limit on these fish but, I also don’t like the fact that we are getting Liberal toward our fishing! My out look is the same with Snapper....ITS A Big AZZ Gulf and lots of water! No way I mean no way are we even touching 10% of the snapper in the Gulf.... I fly about 500Miles every two weeks and can count on one hand the number of boats I see fishing out here.......when you take the number of boat per square mile......I would be unreal! I know the East side gets more pressure with charters but Still NO WAY we are hurting Snapper!!! I cannot see it... Same with Triple tail....They migrate in and out among a huge body of water!!! Millions on Millions of fish!!!! We have no clue what kind of structures and reefs the gulf holds and what kind of numbers we are looking at!!!!

I also heard talks of them wanting to drop the trout limit on Big Lake again.... I for one will fight against this one! 15 is fine we need to leave well enough alone! Hard headed guys dont understand one body of water can only hold so many fish no matter what you do!!! You cant but 10 shoes in a shoe box...not going to happen..... So cutting limits lower will no raise trout pouplation any more and if it does we wont see it!!!....

Any change in a fish limit......should be state wide. This includes the Southeast part of the state.

Hopedale Hustler
12-14-2009, 06:20 PM
Any change in a fish limit......should be state wide. This includes the Southeast part of the state.



do u mean they are state wide?? or should be??

BossHog
12-14-2009, 08:17 PM
I say just leave it alone. "If it aint broke dont fix it." Plus Im seeing more triple tail the last couple of years than ever. Once again the gonna try and mess with something they have no clue about.

Gerald
12-14-2009, 08:30 PM
do u mean they are state wide?? or should be??

My earlier post was in "reference" to the change that was made to the Speckle Trout limit a few years ago for the "Big Lake" area of the state.

Only this area had the Speckle Trout limit reduced to 15 fish per day. No other part of the state had there limit reduced.

So.......what I meant was that if any change is made to a limit on any fish....it should be state wide. Not just for one area. Unless there is a reason other than "it feel like it should be done".

"W"
12-14-2009, 08:30 PM
I say just leave it alone. "If it aint broke dont fix it." Plus Im seeing more triple tail the last couple of years than ever. Once again the gonna try and mess with something they have no clue about.

I agree with this also.....Leave it alone.... No way in Hell will we ever fish any saltwater fish out with Rod N Reel.... NO WAY!!!

LaAngler
12-14-2009, 10:21 PM
I agree with this also.....Leave it alone.... No way in Hell will we ever fish any saltwater fish out with Rod N Reel.... NO WAY!!!

i bet you don't think redfish and trout can be fished out with gillnets either huh..


you have no clue about tripletail why even get involved?

No way I mean no way are we even touching 10% of the snapper in the Gulf.... I fly about 500Miles every two weeks and can count on one hand the number of boats I see fishing out here.......when you take the number of boat per square mile......I would be unreal! I know the East side gets more pressure with charters but Still NO WAY we are hurting Snapper!!!

Shrimp boats, commercial snapper boats, and recreational boats added together have a HUGE impact on snapper. Before the bay boat craze you could catch nice snapper at the tenaco's and north oil city, you can't do that now.



I took the survey and YES i think there should be a limit, I dont know what is should be. Why doesn't CCA get involved and do some studies? Could it be they are too busy having banquets and tournaments?

Ray
12-14-2009, 10:49 PM
I don't think anyone or any organization has much info. on Triple Tail.

I do know that there are not near as many as a few years ago, out of Cameron.
At one time, you could catch a few anytime when coming in from fishing
offshore. Just hit some buoy's or some floating grass or trash. They are
too easy to catch.
I have seen people catch them and throw them back, cause they didn't know
what they were, or didn't know they were good to eat.

Hopedale Hustler
12-14-2009, 10:50 PM
I don't think anyone or any organization has much info. on Triple Tail.

I do know that there are not near as many as a few years ago, out of Cameron.
At one time, you could catch a few anytime when coming in from fishing
offshore. Just hit some buoy's or some floating grass or trash. They are
too easy to catch.
I have seen people catch them and throw them back, cause they didn't know
what they were, or didn't know they were good to eat.


you are correct about that ray...

Ray
12-14-2009, 10:53 PM
They were always a good meat fish when offshore fishing was bad.
When I was younger, just 1 of them could make a great meal for a
whole family. You just don't see the big ones anymore. But you still
see a few big uns now and then.
They were fun to sight fish. They will hit almost anything.

Hopedale Hustler
12-14-2009, 10:55 PM
man i've never seen so many of them in the Breton Sound till this Summer...seems like they were all over the place..any structure.....also in lake P too..

Ray
12-14-2009, 11:03 PM
Hopefully they will come back to Cameron this year.
I like catching one, scaling, gutting and cutting it's
head off. Then give it to my aunt to make a great
mater gravy with it.
Just 1 or 2 is all I need. I don't like having a lot of
fish in the freezer. When I do, some always goes bad.

Hopedale Hustler
12-14-2009, 11:05 PM
dude you should try cutting the neck out and frying it just like snapper


they are awsome...

Ray
12-14-2009, 11:08 PM
I have had them fried. I like any fish fried.

Hopedale Hustler
12-14-2009, 11:12 PM
i didnt know you could fry any fish necks

Ray
12-14-2009, 11:13 PM
Fishes don't have necks. Fishes have feelays.

Hopedale Hustler
12-14-2009, 11:16 PM
no man im talking about there necks or throats...hahaha.....i wasnt messin with ya...you cut there throats or necks as some people say..scale them then fry em...they are awsome most people do it on triple tail and snapper....best part of the fish hands down...reallll white meat no survivorman bs...

Ray
12-14-2009, 11:29 PM
I have eaten freshwater catfish belly's.
That is good in courtboullion.

meaux fishing
12-15-2009, 12:58 AM
I took the survey and YES i think there should be a limit, I dont know what is should be. Why doesn't CCA get involved and do some studies? Could it be they are too busy having banquets and tournaments?

I agree it would be good to do a study and set a limit before they become overfished unlike we did with redfish or trout. The only reason i am a member of cca is the STAR. I asked my uncle, who is a marine biologist that studies speckled trout, what the CCA does and he said pretty much they are just another lobbyist group that does what ever the money says to. It would be nice if they actually did some conservation like their name implies

"W"
12-15-2009, 07:07 AM
i bet you don't think redfish and trout can be fished out with gillnets either huh..


Yes Gillnets would Hurt >>>GillNets R GONE....No way in OUR LIFE TIME OR OUR KIDS or THere KIDS will you fish out trout and reds with a Rod N reel....Not going to happen

you have no clue about tripletail why even get involved?

Why because there to that dont have a clue and want to set laws on something they dont have a clue about


Shrimp boats, commercial snapper boats, and recreational boats added together have a HUGE impact on snapper. Before the bay boat craze you could catch nice snapper at the tenaco's and north oil city, you can't do that now.

Bruce at any of my platforms I can sling Snapper from dusk to dawn 365 a year..... you might have to go out farther but that dont mean there is a shortage....BY No means....... I fly over two zones out here and never see boats fishing but on weekends in the summer..this is a big GULF.....Snapper are in by know means in danger

I took the survey and YES i think there should be a limit, I dont know what is should be. Why doesn't CCA get involved and do some studies? Could it be they are too busy having banquets and tournaments?

Im sure it will come

cmdrost
12-15-2009, 09:25 AM
this is a discussion about triple tail.......Ray you are right, both the LA biologist and CCA admits they know little about this species. Right now we are borrowing research from our neighboring states. All this survey is for is to address the memberships thoughts on the subject.

And I agree with you Meaux.....there should be a limit in place to keep them from being over-fished. IMHO.....every species needs some sort of protection on it from man. Now whether the powers that be decide a limit of 5 or 25 is right, at least give em some protection.

W....there are no plans to lower limits on trout again. Calm down and discuss trout & snapper limits in another thread.

Cynoscion33
12-15-2009, 09:37 AM
Originally Posted by LaAngler http://www.saltycajun.com/forum/images/camo/viewpost.gif
i bet you don't think redfish and trout can be fished out with gillnets either huh..


Yes Gillnets would Hurt >>>GillNets R GONE....No way in OUR LIFE TIME OR OUR KIDS or THere KIDS will you fish out trout and reds with a Rod N reel....Not going to happen

you have no clue about tripletail why even get involved?

Why because there to that dont have a clue and want to set laws on something they dont have a clue about


Shrimp boats, commercial snapper boats, and recreational boats added together have a HUGE impact on snapper. Before the bay boat craze you could catch nice snapper at the tenaco's and north oil city, you can't do that now.

Bruce at any of my platforms I can sling Snapper from dusk to dawn 365 a year..... you might have to go out farther but that dont mean there is a shortage....BY No means....... I fly over two zones out here and never see boats fishing but on weekends in the summer..this is a big GULF.....Snapper are in by know means in danger

I took the survey and YES i think there should be a limit, I dont know what is should be. Why doesn't CCA get involved and do some studies? Could it be they are too busy having banquets and tournaments?
Im sure it will come


Right on! I totally agree with you and that you are the TRUE voice of the LA sportsman! :cheers:

"W"
12-15-2009, 10:00 AM
this is a discussion about triple tail.......Ray you are right, both the LA biologist and CCA admits they know little about this species. Right now we are borrowing research from our neighboring states. All this survey is for is to address the memberships thoughts on the subject.

And I agree with you Meaux.....there should be a limit in place to keep them from being over-fished. IMHO.....every species needs some sort of protection on it from man. Now whether the powers that be decide a limit of 5 or 25 is right, at least give em some protection.

W....there are no plans to lower limits on trout again. Calm down and discuss trout & snapper limits in another thread.


I myself really don’t care if they put a limit on Tripletail or not....I don’t fish them enough to care. My only problem is how can we say they need a limit? How do we know were hurting them? They migrate like ducks..... Unless we can prove it or state facts I don’t think we need to jump the gun on this! Lets save our estuaries instead of putting money in a study on a fish only few go after!

If all of a sudden HARDTAILS became a main course would we place a limit on these also?....

It’s just a topic of discussion but to let the public vote wheatear we need a limit on triple tail is useless...... I say show me where we need one and prove we need one and then let’s put it in place...... I voted to put one but I still think we jump the gun too much on fishing issues to quickly….. Save the estuaries and fish will survive

Wag
12-15-2009, 10:11 AM
I myself really don’t care if they put a limit on Tripletail or not....I don’t fish them enough to care. My only problem is how can we say they need a limit? How do we know were hurting them? They migrate like ducks..... Unless we can prove it or state facts I don’t think we need to jump the gun on this! Lets save our estuaries instead of putting money in a study on a fish only few go after!

If all of a sudden HARDTAILS became a main course would we place a limit on these also?....

It’s just a topic of discussion but to let the public vote wheatear we need a limit on triple tail is useless...... I say show me where we need one and prove we need one and then let’s put it in place...... I voted to put one but I still think we jump the gun too much on fishing issues to quickly….. Save the estuaries and fish will survive

The estuaries...and our eroding marshes..this is the key and to me more important .... and where the focus should be.... if I'm not mistaken..didn't the Louisiana biologist state that lowering the limit on Calcasieu Lake would not be beneficial....but they did it anyway...I always thought that was just a step into making the limits even lower on big lake and the rest of the state in the future....so do they even listen to what the biologist say..no they don't...My opinion..it's all a political agenda supported by someone with a special interest.

"W"
12-15-2009, 10:16 AM
The estuaries...and our eroding marshes..this is the key and to me more important .... and where the focus should be.... if I'm not mistaken..didn't the Louisiana biologist state that lowering the limit on Calcasieu Lake would not be beneficial....but they did it anyway...I always thought that was just a step into making the limits even lower on big lake and the rest of the state in the future....so do they even listen to what the biologist say..no they don't...My opinion..it's all a political agenda supported by someone with a special interest.

Yes it is.... People with money that fish making the rules!!!

Wag
12-15-2009, 10:32 AM
Took the survey.....I hope more research is done by biologist and the CCA before a campaign is started to place limits on tripletail....I support CCA, they have done alot for us, and I would think they would place more priority over research than a survey by fisherman.

BossHog
12-15-2009, 11:57 AM
The problem is if you ask for a limit on tripletail their gonna give you something like a 3 or 5 fish limit. And if you know tripletail they move around. You might make 3 or 4 trips in the gulf and not see hardly any at all then one time find them everywhere and load the boat.

Yall start asking for a limit on a fish nobody knows about your not gonna be happy when you find a patch of grass with 100 fish under it and can only keep a couple. That entire gulf has tripletail floating around in it and there really isnt that many caught on a daily basis.

LaAngler
12-15-2009, 12:01 PM
i think some of the publicity that came out of lake borgne this year helped spark some of this debate also.....:p

BossHog
12-15-2009, 12:10 PM
i think some of the publicity that came out of lake borgne this year helped spark some of this debate also.....:p
I agree, but look at texas they went from no limit to just three fish

cmdrost
12-15-2009, 02:05 PM
Took the survey.....I hope more research is done by biologist and the CCA before a campaign is started to place limits on tripletail....I support CCA, they have done alot for us, and I would think they would place more priority over research than a survey by fisherman.

CCA is doing this survey to determine if it is worth it for its members to urge LDWF to do a study on the fish. LDWF has a very small budget can't go study every fish out there unfortunately and they won't consider it basically unless forced to by someone else.

"W"
12-15-2009, 02:19 PM
CCA is doing this survey to determine if it is worth it for its members to urge LDWF to do a study on the fish. LDWF has a very small budget can't go study every fish out there unfortunately and they won't consider it basically unless forced to by someone else.


Drost....what do you think is more important…… Spending money on a tripe tail research or spending money improving our estuary and inshore fishing....

I wish the CCA would vote on that..... I don’t think Triple tail is that important right now..... We are still suffering from Hurricane erosion and Man destroying our marshes by controlling waterways.....

cmdrost
12-15-2009, 02:30 PM
"improving our estuary and inshore fishing"

Pretty vague statement there. How would CCA be able to accomplish this. You need to be more specific on what you think needs to be done to improve said estuary....ie.....costal erosion sediment plantings??? Rebuilding marshes......etc?

CCA is just doing independent study....costs nothing.

Ray
12-15-2009, 04:31 PM
The Port of Lake Charles is helping. I saw a presentation last year where they are
having issues of where to pump sediment when they dredge the ship channel.
There is a couple of large land owners north of Hackberry who is letting them pump
sediment on their eroded marshland, creating more natural wetlands like it was before
all the erosion took place from dredging the ship channel.
But that is only one small area. We need more. The guy who gave the presentation
said they are wanting more place to pump sediment, but some land owners won't let
them. It is a win win situation if everyone jumps on that band wagon.
Pumping sediment back from where it came from is a good idea.

BossHog
12-15-2009, 05:01 PM
The Port of Lake Charles is helping. I saw a presentation last year where they are
having issues of where to pump sediment when they dredge the ship channel.
There is a couple of large land owners north of Hackberry who is letting them pump
sediment on their eroded marshland, creating more natural wetlands like it was before
all the erosion took place from dredging the ship channel.
But that is only one small area. We need more. The guy who gave the presentation
said they are wanting more place to pump sediment, but some land owners won't let
them. It is a win win situation if everyone jumps on that band wagon.
Pumping sediment back from where it came from is a good idea.
Yeah but that land is pretty much useless after they pump dridge into it, thats why nobody wants it on their land.

huntin fool
12-15-2009, 05:05 PM
Yeah but that land is pretty much useless after they pump dridge into it, thats why nobody wants it on their land.


Useless after they pump it? Why? Just curious. Where studying this same topic, about pumping sediment back into the marshlands. Somewhere in East LA they are making a beach to help stop the erosion, by pumping sediment back.

Ray
12-15-2009, 05:14 PM
It worked well under 210 bridge, by PPG. That area looks great now.
They are just making it like it was before it eroded away.
They will still have ponds and stuff.
If they don't do something now, it will be all lake one day.
Maybe not in my lifetime, but in Fool's lifetime.

Ray
12-15-2009, 05:14 PM
Useless after they pump it? Why? Just curious. Where studying this same topic, about pumping sediment back into the marshlands. Somewhere in East LA they are making a beach to help stop the erosion, by pumping sediment back.

I fly over that area all the time when I crew change. It is East of SW Pass.

huntin fool
12-15-2009, 05:23 PM
if they don't do something within 10 yrs for erosion, they will never be able to stop it, experts say.

BossHog
12-15-2009, 05:24 PM
Useless after they pump it? Why? Just curious. Where studying this same topic, about pumping sediment back into the marshlands. Somewhere in East LA they are making a beach to help stop the erosion, by pumping sediment back.
Around here they build levees around a section of land and then pump the dridge into it. The problem is this mud is pretty nasty being from the bottom of the channel and from my experience in the past on some sections of land it takes several years for this stuff to dry. Its like making a big quick sand pond. The top layer will dry but you can fall right threw it and its impossible to walk through. Yes ive seen some of them hold ducks but you cant hardly hunt them and does nothing for fishing since their leveed of anyway. It like building a impoundment full of mud. Now they might have another way of doing it I dont know, but this is how they recently did it north of hackberry. I guess it would create new land several years from now but I was just saying why nobody wants it on their land.

huntin fool
12-15-2009, 05:28 PM
I fly over that area all the time when I crew change. It is East of SW Pass.


On some bay right?



Really pumping sediment to stop erosion, they aren't worried about hunting, or fishing. They want to fix it so our homes aren't the gulf of mehico

BossHog
12-15-2009, 05:30 PM
On some bay right?



Really pumping sediment to stop erosion, they aren't worried about hunting, or fishing. They want to fix it so our homes aren't the gulf of mehico
Yes I agree their not worried about hunting or fishing but these big land owners are.

LaAngler
12-15-2009, 05:30 PM
come on guys start a new thread

cmdrost
12-16-2009, 09:34 AM
get this back on track......I've heard MS passed regs on triple tail:

"The MS Commission voted unanimously to recommend a minimum size limit of 18 inches TL and a daily bag limit of 3 fish/person for tripletail in MS. The measure will go out for public hearing, where they do not foresee any major opposition."

This leaves LA as the only state on the gulf coast with no limits on triple tail.

"W"
12-16-2009, 11:14 AM
get this back on track......I've heard MS passed regs on triple tail:

"The MS Commission voted unanimously to recommend a minimum size limit of 18 inches TL and a daily bag limit of 3 fish/person for tripletail in MS. The measure will go out for public hearing, where they do not foresee any major opposition."

This leaves LA as the only state on the gulf coast with no limits on triple tail.


Whats FL and TX's Limits???

cmdrost
12-16-2009, 11:38 AM
GULF STATES TRIPLE TAIL LIMITS:

1. Texas 3 per person 17" minimum
2. Georgia 2 per person 18" minimum
3. Alabama 2 per person 16" minimum
4. Florida 2 per person 15" minimum
5. Miss 3 per person 18" minimum

Ray
12-16-2009, 12:58 PM
3 Triple Tail is a lot of meat.
I am a meat fisherman. That's how I think.
If you have 2 on the boat and catch 6 fish,
that is a good bit of meat.
Not many people I know target Triple Tail,
except for a few fly fishermen from Cameron.

Finfeatherfur
12-18-2009, 11:54 AM
CCA is doing this survey to determine if it is worth it for its members to urge LDWF to do a study on the fish. LDWF has a very small budget can't go study every fish out there unfortunately and they won't consider it basically unless forced to by someone else.

This goes back to my point of leave it alone and let them focus on more "urgent" matters, like fighting the feds and proving them wrong so I can run 40 miles and catch more than 2 red snapper a person!

cmdrost
12-21-2009, 02:58 PM
This goes back to my point of leave it alone and let them focus on more "urgent" matters, like fighting the feds and proving them wrong so I can run 40 miles and catch more than 2 red snapper a person!


That is an issue for CCA National. CCA LA can't really do anything to LDWF because our fed waters only go out 3 miles. No snapper 3 miles in.

The national office is working very hard on this matter! I agree with you that the snapper regs are bogus!