Brain surgeon > partnership for a drug free American.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cFY6IgP...%3DcFY6IgPgyB8


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"The majority of cannabis-related admissions among youth result from referrals either from the justice or educational systems, and it is probable that at least some of these referrals were motivated more by concern over the future consequences of early initiation to cannabis use than by apparent negative effects of current cannabis use. A major focus of concern is the extent to which early cannabis use may increase the risks for escalation to other drug use and drug dependence. Stage theory posits that there is an invariant sequence in initiation and use of drugs, with use of cannabis preceding the use of "hard" drugs such as cocaine and heroin. This theory has been highly influential in drug policy debates and has provided a major rationale for sustaining prohibition against cannabis, as it is assumed that delaying or preventing early cannabis use may reduce risks of other illicit drug use.

While this broad theory has found some empirical support, such data on temporal sequencing do not establish that the use of one drug causes the use of drugs higher up the sequence. Rather, the observed pattern of initiation and use may reflect other factors such as availability and access. Nonetheless, several studies using event history analysis and regression analyses have reported that early initiation to cannabis use remains a significant risk factor for both the use of other drugs and experiencing drug-related problems." -Escalation of Drug Use in Early-Onset Cannabis Users vs Co-twin Controls

We are not even beating a dead horse anymore... we are just beating some stuff that vaguely resembles horsemeat.

Social Objection to Ending Prohibition
“What about the ‘gateway theory’ that says all marijuana users go on to hard drugs?”
Fact: this theory has been debunked over and over. Read this excerpt from Drug War Facts for numerous Ph.D. research disproving the so-called “gateway theory.”
Conclusion: the so-called “gateway theory” is nothing more than an attempt to make people afraid of marijuana, a slander that it will somehow cause insatiable interest in consuming any and every drug. That is a lie, it does not cause a person to want to try other drugs.
What are the real reasons the so-called “gateway theory” came in to being?
Some people tried marijuana and found it to be nothing like the fear mongers claimed. Those people supposed the fear-mongers were lying about other drugs and tried those out of curiosity, not due to something inherent in marijuana.
Due to drug prohibition, the black-market controls the sale of all illegal drugs. Since drug dealers, like every other for-profit enterprise, seem to only care about profits, they have a financial incentive to steer customers towards substances that bring them greater profits.
- Christian's against Prohibition

This thread is a gateway to a headache.


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Again.... with the crying. You did not put this survey in place to give a clear visual indicator of where people stand, If you had wanted to do that you would have left the survey results open where you and everyone else could see how each individual voted.

The survey represents the viewpoint, of the "SaltyCajun" microcosm. Nothing more, nothing less. It may fall in line with surveys of greater scope or it may not.





Do we really need to have a remedial learning session with you? Do you really need a reminder of just exactly how many times I and others have clearly stated that we do NOT advocate underage use of ANY drug. We do advocate legalization and regulation, which has been shown by the overwhelming amount of scientific studies that are non biased, current, and of sufficient scope, to be the ONLY REAL PATH to a significant reduction in drug use.

Your stating that I and others advocate underage use of drugs, is the equivalent to me stating your preferred and personally used method of getting high is to mainline opiates. (since you have not raised any real objections to today's rampant prescription drug abuse, and the lack of controls upon it)

In other words it is an attempt on your part to create association via misinformation, and quite frankly lies.

I unlike you am not on a mission here to identify "who" believes and to then sew onto their shirt a star so that everyone can know "who" they identify with. Instead my purpose here is to offer reasoning based on the 17,000+ scientific studies showing every possible benefit of cannabis. And to also make a case for methods of regulation and control that will reduce abuse among all, and to explore the viable medicinal qualities of the plant.

All that you have advocated MG is a continuation of the same policies that are creating more and more users / abusers / dealers / cartels / and wars.

The four main lobbying groups that advocate continued criminilization of cannabis are Alcohol, Tobacco, Pharma, and Prison lobbys.

The money committed from those 4 lobbies to ensure cannibis stays illegal is ABSURD. The only thing that we need to do is allow them to find ways to patent cannabis products and those products will become legal INSTANTLY.

Using the above quote from Mathgeek as an example i am now going to demonstrate how association is truly a fine scientific method.

It is notable that mathgeek originally discussed child prostitution, another forum commenter stated that comparing child prostitution to cannabis use was "hurting his argument". Since Mathgeek did not dispute this with the other commenter or offer any further explanation we can infer the following.

1) Mathgeek supports ongoing child prostitution, and the organizations that fund them.

2) Because of his support for child prostitution, there is a very high probability of likelihood that Mathgeek is also a pedophile.


Does anyone else see that it's not surprising that Real Science does not use this method?

I hope you got something better than this in your bag of tricks MG.

Why on earth would you still want it to be a FELONY for youth possession. I'm for stiff penalties for youths but a felony would just disenfranchise someone at a young age effectively giving them no other option to live that lifestyle.

" why yes sir you are qualified for this job but it seems you have a felony for DRUGS when you were 17. I'm sorry we can't employ you"

Mandatory treatment prolly would be better but then they would do just like they do now when arrested. " would you like to go to rehab or jail " duh! Then they take those numbers and say " look at all the young people in treatment for for pot "



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Substitute "alcohol" in place of "weed" and you increase this stories occurrence 100 fold and probably add violence in at least half.

But Sammich! Alchohol is legal!:rotfl::*****:

...

Gateway Drug hahahahah that's what loser say that blame everything but themselves being addicts.

My first miller is a gateway to the next 11...

Right on brotha!


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From this thread we must have a lot of losers and addicts on this site


Suckers are finding any excuse to make weed legal and excuse to use

I "suffer" from the same "problem!"

Marijuana should be legal for medical use all over the county. If you talk to people or know people with terminal illness and have been on every drug imaginable to stop the pain or nausea, and nothing works or it puts them in a zombie state, and then they try marijunna and it make their life worth living why wouldn't you want it legal. I lived in Co when they legalized it and we provided for people like this iand it changed their lives and made it way more comfortable. Drugs like Oxycontin and all that **** should be made illegal, it is is doing is ruining the youth of America, prion pills have taken over the US and everyone sits back and watches and does nothing but watch people od and go to rehab numoures times and they can not get off of them. Louisiana has such a closed mind on it, that it will never pass in this state.

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"The present hypothesis suggests that these losses are in the areas of quantitative reasoning, analytic ability and the whole constellation of other cognitive-perceptual abilities associated with the field-dependent cognitive style. Marijuana might, thus selectively interfere, for example, with study of such subject matter areas as mathematics and engineering." - Marijuana and Perceptual Style: A Theoretical Note

i got sooooo stoned last night!

but good thing i was able to pick up some cocaine and meth, otherwise i wouldnt have made it to work this morning....

now im tweekin my balls off tryin to get these spreadsheets out.... you should see this ****!

This theory was experimentally confirmed in later studies:

An examination of the relationship between academic achievement and drug use in a wide range of students, Jeynes (2002) concluded that marijuana use, when examined alone, was statistically significantly related to lower standardized test scores in math, science, reading, and social studies. Average scores on the math comprehension test for marijuana users were further below the mean than on any other test... - An Updated Review of the Research on the Risks and Harms Associated to the Use of Marijuana

The above message / link / video / snippet / etc by Mathgeek & MissAimsmallmissessmall can safely be ignored. For some reason
they feel that the way to continue this discussion, is to continue linking the same things that have already been refuted and proven false.
The individuals who debated this subject have no desire to continue flogging a horse after it's already been reduced to ground round.

Most meaningful discussion on this matter can be reviewed on pages 1-10, With some minor additions of new materiel on pages 10-20.

Everything discussed since has gone over the exact same content. If you want to find actual discussions based on scientfic studies, as well
as the results achieved you will find it in the first 20 or so pages. Beyond that this thread has been nothing but meme's and unvetted, biased,
non current / outdated cherry picked snips of studies.

This has been a public service announcement.

It will repeat with all future post's by MG & Co.

Have a nice day.

The above message / link / video / snippet / etc by Mathgeek & MissAimsmallmissessmall can safely be ignored. For some reason
they feel that the way to continue this discussion, is to continue linking the same things that have already been refuted and proven false.
The individuals who debated this subject have no desire to continue flogging a horse after it's already been reduced to ground round.

Most meaningful discussion on this matter can be reviewed on pages 1-10, With some minor additions of new materiel on pages 10-20.

Everything discussed since has gone over the exact same content. If you want to find actual discussions based on scientfic studies, as well
as the results achieved you will find it in the first 20 or so pages. Beyond that this thread has been nothing but meme's and unvetted, biased,
non current / outdated cherry picked snips of studies.

This has been a public service announcement.

It will repeat with all future post's by MG & Co.

Have a nice day.

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MG aka Miss Smalls is really just hoping that since most of us have tried cannabis that our short term memory is terrible and we won't notice that he keeps posting the same trash.


I'm just glad it's really clear that the majority on Salty Cajun will not be swayed by propaganda like the public was in the 1937.


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..

"Heavy marijuana use is associated with residual neuropsychological effects even after a day of supervised abstinence from the drug. However, the question remains open as to whether this impairment is due to a residue of drug in the brain, a withdrawal effect from the drug, or a frank neurotoxic effect of the drug." - The Residual Cognitive Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use in College Students

The above message / link / video / snippet / etc by Mathgeek & MissAimsmallmissessmall can safely be ignored. For some reason
they feel that the way to continue this discussion, is to continue linking the same things that have already been refuted and proven false.
The individuals who debated this subject have no desire to continue flogging a horse after it's already been reduced to ground round.

Most meaningful discussion on this matter can be reviewed on pages 1-10, With some minor additions of new materiel on pages 10-20.

Everything discussed since has gone over the exact same content. If you want to find actual discussions based on scientfic studies, as well
as the results achieved you will find it in the first 20 or so pages. Beyond that this thread has been nothing but meme's and unvetted, biased,
non current / outdated cherry picked snips of studies.

This has been a public service announcement.

It will repeat with all future post's by MG & Co.

Have a nice day.

You know if you type in the real word "cannabis " in goggle scholar ( the term real scientist use ) your results are vary greatly.


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What is "heavy" marijuana use? 1 joint> 1/4 lb???

:shaking:

I haven't looked at that exact study, but most studies consider heavy use to be every day or nearly every day when looking at impact over time. Most of these studies depend on participant reported usage rates.

The definition of heavy use is a bit different in studies considering acute impacts such as driving. Most of these studies actually measure the blood THC content and report numbers in ng/ml, thus providing a more quantitative measure of exposure.

By Ryan Jaslow /
CBS News/ May 28, 2013, 11:39 AM
Laxer marijuana laws linked to increase in kids' accidental poisonings



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-...al-poisonings/

Marijuana
Thanks to "Dabbing," It Is Possible to Overdose on Marijuana

By Chris Roberts Wed., Mar. 13 2013 at 2:10 PM

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/...se_dabbing.php

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...n.mug.shot.jpg

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...ver.php?page=1

OH LOOK!!! It's a website with a .org!! It must mean it's legit :rolleyes:

http://suicideproject.org/2010/08/pr...ommit-suicide/


"
To back up his theory, Voracek has taken the controversial tables of national average IQ values published recently by Professor Richard Lynn and his colleague at the University of Ulster, Tatu Vanhanen. But instead of correlating these IQ levels with national GDP per head (as, provocatively, Lynn and Vanhanen have), Voracek has compared the various IQ averages with national suicide rates.
The results are, prima facie, impressive: there is a strong correlation between suicide rates and national average IQ in most of the countries surveyed. For instance, Jamaica, with a low average IQ of 72, has suicide rates of 0.5 for men and 0.2 for women (all suicide figures are per 100,000 person-years). Albania, with an average IQ of 90, has low suicide rates of 2.9 and 1.7. Germany by contrast, with its average IQ of 102, has suicide rates of 21.8 and 8.3; Japan, with an average IQ of 105, has suicide rates of 25 and 12."


It's a study so it must be true!!!!


From the response of some individuals on this thread, you'd think they'd put a stop to intelligence since it seems to cause people to harm themselves...

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Math geek did you call my job b/c you lost this debate? Call em back in 2 days to see if I'm still employed. You might be disappointed to find out that even people who don't use support the right to chose what goes in his or hers own body.


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:work::work::work::work:

Marijuana
No sharing, stoners: Vet says pot can kill your dog

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...et_says_po.php

Keep this up dude. It's borderline satirical.
What if he is trolling. I would be happy to present you with " Troll of the year"


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At this point I cannot tell.

http://media.yourdailymedia.com/4/jimmy-mcnulty.gif


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I wish herby were here to c this. What u think he would say?

The above message / link / video / snippet / etc by Mathgeek & MissAimsmallmissessmall can safely be ignored. For some reason
they feel that the way to continue this discussion, is to continue linking the same things that have already been refuted and proven false.
The individuals who debated this subject have no desire to continue flogging a horse after it's already been reduced to ground round.

Most meaningful discussion on this matter can be reviewed on pages 1-10, With some minor additions of new materiel on pages 10-20.

Everything discussed since has gone over the exact same content. If you want to find actual discussions based on scientfic studies, as well
as the results achieved you will find it in the first 20 or so pages. Beyond that this thread has been nothing but meme's and unvetted, biased,
non current / outdated cherry picked snips of studies.

This has been a public service announcement.

It will repeat with all future post's by MG & Co.

Have a nice day.

Why are you asking if he called?

You have to apply the same high standards he use's to determine if something is relevant or related. Using those same standards you can infer that since you were drug tested right after this debate started Mathgeek must have indeed informed on you!!!! He called up and said "Clampy has been a very very bad bubee, and he must be punished!!!!!!!"

Jokes on him if he did. I'm sure he didn't but I thought it was funny. He wouldn't wanna go down that road anyway. What's the old adage ....
"Snitches Get ... Hugs and kisses **. "
I found it equally hilarious he tried to damage control after 170 comments. After almost 500 his argument is even more ridiculous than page 3. It's be reduced to " weed can kill your dog". We must lock up adults to save the dogs!

Dude needs to bounce a hen or something

**(word omitted for fear of allegation of a threat)


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I will tell you what he would say

"Smoked weed everyday in high school and got a 4.0"
" smoked weed everyday at LSU and got a 4.0"

"Smoked weed everyday thru med school and got a 4.0"

"I'm a DR now and still burning "

Something along those lines.

Then math geek would tell him that because a kid might one day smoke a J that he should have been put in jail years ago.


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in the famous words of the late nate dogg...."hey hey heeeeyaaay....smoke weed every day"

Rip Nate Dog
And no math geek
Weed didn't kill him.


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I believe MG is reluctant to agree because the possiblity of the legalization of weed in Louisiana will also bring forth the liberal agenda to a state which has strictly been conservative. It is qutie possible that MG has experienced this first hand with the events in Colorado and the fears are more than just the health/addictive issues associated with weed.