Originally Posted by PBJ (Post 832404)

I agree with you regarding the AR-15 but a knife and a Remington 700 were his weapons of choice. "Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 ? August 1, 1966) was an American mass murderer who became infamous as the "Texas Tower Sniper." On August 1, 1966, he used knives in the slaying of his mother and wife in their respective homes. He then went to the University of Texas in Austin, where the rampage began. He shot and killed three people inside the university tower. He then went to the tower's 28th-floor observation deck, where he fired at random for some 96 minutes, killing an additional eleven people and wounding thirty-one others before he was shot and killed by two Austin police officers. A total of sixteen people were killed; a 17th victim died 35 years later from injuries sustained in the attack"

Originally Posted by PReaux (Post 832408)

I don't see this as a gun issue . . People blaming guns instead of addressing the issues of morals, mental health, parenting . . It's the person that pulls the trigger . .

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Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 832411)

True...like the sherrif said I went to a high school where we brought shotguns in our trucks every day so we could squirrel hunt that afternoon. Never once did one of us even think of using it on the students. In 8th grade our pe teacher taught us hunters safety where we all earned our orange card including shooting skeet in the back of the playground. Different times back then.

But since we can't control how some people are raising there children should we make it difficult for these people to get an assault weapon?

Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 832417)

Also the bullying issue is another thing. There have always been bullies, but it's different nowadays with social media. There is some savage crap out there directed to these young kids My wife is a school teacher and if she sees a kid not playing she makes sure someone goes and plays with that kid. You just never know what some kid is going through. They may get bullied at school and then go home to abusive parents


And it's not a left thing or a right thing It's everyone's thing. Those kids aren't left or right.

Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 832397)

I am certainly a pro gun guy and a hunter. My wife and I both have a concealed carry license and we vote republican.

However where I differ from most is on assault rifles. I just don't see where there is a need for semi auto weapons like an ar-15 that holds 30 rounds. Full disclosure I own one. I realize I am probably in the minority on this but you don't see mass shootings with a browning a5 or Remington 700 bolt action they just aren't the weapon of choice or made to fire off significant rounds in a mass shooting situation.

Just offering a different opinion on this. As it relates to gun control I firmly support the right to carry. I just don't see a real need for an assault weapon. I feel I could defend my home very well wiht an 870 express pump shotgun.

Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 832415)

We have the right to bear arms, but that right does not allow us to buy an fully automatic assault rifle

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 832447)

The 2nd amendment is not about self-defense or hunting. It's about when it's time to throw the tea into the harbor again.

Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 832357)

Parents can't teach their kids to value life?

Look, I'm Catholic. Go to church every Sunday, and say morning prayers just about every day. I was a lector and eucharistic minister for 6 years at my church while in College. I'm in the Knights of Columbus now. Religion is important to me and my family.

But valuing life is not a uniquely religious concept.

I went to public school, catholic school, and was home schooled at different times in my life. With the exception of homeschooling, I was picked at and bullied anywhere I went. I had no religious formation whatsoever from 7th grade to 11th grade.

Did I shoot any of my bullies? No. Why? Because my parents raised me better. Hell, I even had anger issues. Still never shot anyone.

It starts at home. And by being vigilant and knowing what is going on with your kids. Same for educators. People need to be aware of what is going on. Recognize bullying. Recognize problems.

Does religion help? Sure. But it's not a necessity to valuing human life.

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 832461)

Not to start a dissagreement but parents(especially hunters) do teach the value of life. When your kid kills a deer do you not explain to that young hunter that his lofe meant something and we should be grateful for hi life and rhe meat we now have. Yes they killed but it was for a reason. It teaches them that killing is the end. Not just a video game death and so it over. It is a final. Again not tryi g to argue. Just my view. I do believe that religion and family structure have the most to do with it. I'm not a highky religous person. Holy water would probabky burn me. I still have a lot of rwspect for the bible and the church. You have a book that basically says don't be an *******. How do you not.loke that?

Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 832397)

I am certainly a pro gun guy and a hunter. My wife and I both have a concealed carry license and we vote republican.

However where I differ from most is on assault rifles. I just don't see where there is a need for semi auto weapons like an ar-15 that holds 30 rounds. Full disclosure I own one. I realize I am probably in the minority on this but you don't see mass shootings with a browning a5 or Remington 700 bolt action they just aren't the weapon of choice or made to fire off significant rounds in a mass shooting situation.

Just offering a different opinion on this. As it relates to gun control I firmly support the right to carry. I just don't see a real need for an assault weapon. I feel I could defend my home very well wiht an 870 express pump shotgun.