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rosska 06-21-2009 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hopedale Hustler (Post 16754)
Ok so Guys...Deff Should Be Banned From Tourneys...no doubt..i do try to throw artificial as often as i can when not deck handing or fishing with customers..mah captain charter captain that is has to make a livin too..and sometimes artificial just dont get the job done guys..i mean its easy for yall to scream no live bait when yall fish in a place like big like (arguably the greatest trophy lake in the country..) but just from a breton sound platform fishing fisherman...artificial dont always get it done..im no uscg charter captain (yet)..so i only deck hand charters on weekends to make a lil extra cash to pay for gas in the boat during the week...but i do know and see what its like tryin to make a livin in this bizz when there is know live bait..especially when fishing in such a place like The B sound where many situations artificial is not an option..some times its not just croaker soaking..more than often its a croaker free lined getting workked much like a hybrind or H&H...not tryin to cause arguments here but just tryin to make the point that just because you fish live dont mean ur less of a fisherman...

BTW The Biggest Trout Ive Ever Caught Was Caught On A Hybrid Flurry Tipped With Shrimp..haha wats that make me?

Hopedale, I am not knocking anyone trying to put food on the table. Only those trying to compete. It is tough times right now for guides to try and make it. You have to adapt to what the customer wants in order to make it. Hell, even some of the best down in Baffin who have only booked artificial only trophy trout trips for years are now allowing bait chasing smaller fish, offering sightseeing tours and even allowing customers to bring gps's aboard to mark hotspots. You have to adapt to the times. I am talking about tournaments and competitions.

"Don't bring a gun to a knife fight"

Angler Translation
"Don't soak a croaker in a trout tournament"

Had to change that one up a little bit
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]

Hopedale Hustler 06-21-2009 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 16779)
At least you don't claim to be something you're not.....unlike others. :smokin: Bruce and I thought you were a guide.

not quite yet..i still got a lil bit to learn..goin to USCG School in winter to get the liscense hopefully..dont plan on opening an official bussiness till im 21 in a couple years..

Hopedale Hustler 06-21-2009 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rosska (Post 16778)
Hopedale, I am not knocking anyone trying to put food on the table. Only those trying to compete. It is tough times right now for guides to try and make it. You have to adapt to what the customer wants in order to make it. Hell, even some of the best down in Baffin who have only booked artificial only trophy trout trips for years are now allowing bait chasing smaller fish, offering sightseeing tours and even allowing customers to bring gps's aboard to mark hotspots. You have to adapt to the times. I am talking about tournaments and competitions.

"Don't bring a gun to a knife fight"

Angler Translation
"Don't soak a croaker in a trout tournament"

Had to change that one up a little bit
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]




your right..no live bait when moneys involved...but it will never happen...u know why...cause no body is willing to piss off the damn joe shmos in the world who have millions and own thier own business and the only way there gonna be happy is by winnin the 5000 dollar tournament people like us fish to put food on the table and help out...i work with these types all the time..they chire us to do wat they cant figure out...and you know what aint nothin wrong with it..just dont fish tourneys if you dont know wat your doing..

Hopedale Hustler 06-21-2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 16789)
19? Damn...you a big ol' yungun! :grinpimp:

yaa..25% Samoan...75% Challmatian + alot of fried fish growing up = a good offensive lineman.

"W" 06-21-2009 10:13 PM

Boy I see it now......150 comments by noon on this post....Everyone that used croaker this weekend will be hammering away.....(I hope CHINK dont read here)

huntin fool 06-21-2009 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hopedale Hustler (Post 16802)
yaa..25% Samoan...75% Challmatian + alot of fried fish growing up = a good offensive lineman.


:eek: hate to mess with you....

Hopedale Hustler 06-21-2009 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 16803)
Boy I see it now......150 comments by noon on this post....Everyone that used croaker this weekend will be hammering away.....(I hope CHINK dont read here)

Nope W no hammering from me..just its just the truth..

Hopedale Hustler 06-21-2009 10:19 PM

nope i mean Chalmette in St. bernard....lizard woulda been nice though...

"W" 06-21-2009 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hopedale Hustler (Post 16807)
Nope W no hammering from me..just its just the truth..

I hear ya.....Not bashing i just think it should be BANNED in toun.

Also...I only fished LAKE P once and guys said there is NO way I could catch on plastic in JULY and AUG at Seabrook....

I disagree that plastic dont get job DONE!!! I know if trout are there I will catch them with Plastic!!! Live bait catches trout but not big ones and to many other things as well......

LaAngler 06-21-2009 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 16771)
I want to be like "CHINK"....Soak two Croaker at a time and get a story about it.......


what you wanna bet that guy is selling those fish commercially?

Hopedale Hustler 06-21-2009 10:30 PM

wow i hate lake P with a passion..and they were wrong its the only way to catch them at seabrook that time of the year...i agree 100% should be banned in tourneys...all im saying is wen something aint working im not scared to do what i gotta do to catch my fish...every trip in the sound for me consits of A Top Dog..a catch 5...then live croakers for wen its slack then hybrids in the evining....man u should really come try this sound thing out..i fished big lake a few times..its way different than wat youd prolly think..

eman 06-21-2009 10:31 PM

All the tourneys i fish are for charities. They have one aim.
To make $$$ for the cause. they could care less about wether you use live , dead , plastic or any other legal fishing method. Bottom line is cash.
Let's see CCA / STAR take the lead and ban live bait.
Not going to happen. again cash is the bottom line .

"W" 06-21-2009 10:35 PM

I dont see the STAR or any CCA events banning live bait because of the members!! CCA is for all fisherman....good and bad...
But I would love to see other events like we had this pass weekend ban live bait.....They said no wading but croaker soaking was good......JUST NOT RIGHT...

Hopedale Hustler 06-21-2009 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 16818)
BEE ESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im with you on this one...deff BS...ive seen more 7-9 lb. trout caught in The sound on Live Croakers than people would think...also y people use live bait..not just cause they dont have a clue how to fish plastics..but cause of size...man its just really different over here..not so much i guess but in alot of ways it is..we are forced to fish plastics from oct.-april....then in may they get hottttt..and you need the live bait and the catch 5s and such...

Hopedale Hustler 06-21-2009 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 16833)
I dont see the STAR or any CCA events banning live bait because of the members!! CCA is for all fisherman....good and bad...
But I would love to see other events like we had this pass weekend ban live bait.....They said no wading but croaker soaking was good......JUST NOT RIGHT...

lets have a top dogg tourney..thatd be a cool one huh..no one can argue that..

LaAngler 06-21-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 16833)
CCA is for all fisherman....good and bad...

sometimes i wonder about that....

"W" 06-21-2009 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hopedale Hustler (Post 16835)
lets have a top dogg tourney..thatd be a cool one huh..no one can argue that..


That would be fun......I hope Next year we can have a Saltycajun meet..

"W" 06-21-2009 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 16837)
sometimes i wonder about that....

Dont go there Bruce.....My blood PSI is good right now

Hopedale Hustler 06-21-2009 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 16830)
You can whack 'em on them Bombers at times out there. Is the river water bad out there right now?

ya salty its a lil bit choclaty to the southwest i guess you can say...twoards black bay and such..yes bombers are great..i had one...lost it...cant find anymore...none around here any wheres..need some bad...i won mine at a cca banquet...now i cant find em..

huntin fool 06-21-2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 16853)
PM your name and mailin' addy. I think I might have some layin' around. Any fav color?



hopedale, make sure you change the hooks on em!!! sorry salty they already rusted on mine

huntin fool 06-21-2009 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 16862)
The fish keep the rust off. Wait a minute......y'all didn't catch no fish. :eek:


the ONLY fish i have caught on bombers are bass. maybe bombers should stay freshwater.

huntin fool 06-21-2009 11:01 PM

when you come down to big lake, and you catch trout on bombers i will be convinced :)

Too Tall 06-22-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 16837)
sometimes i wonder about that....

Whats to wonder. They are for sale to the highest bidder.

Long Pole 06-22-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by huntin fool (Post 16676)
dont call me a poser either, i have caught more bass then any 13 yr old should catch. i have a 5 mounted that i caught when i was 7.
"

:*****::rotfl::*****::rotfl::*****:

Seriously, you mounted a 5 lb bass. :work:

I got a 3 yr old daughter who would put you to shame. :spineyes:

huntin fool 06-22-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Long Pole (Post 16904)
:*****::rotfl::*****::rotfl::*****:

Seriously, you mounted a 5 lb bass. :work:

I got a 3 yr old daughter who would put you to shame. :spineyes:



does your three yr old daughter fish against grown men every week for cash? or does she sit in the boat with dadddy and weigh his fish?, thats IF daddy catches fish

What a surprise, your from texas.

"W" 06-22-2009 12:56 PM

How many soak Da Croakers this weekend???? Anybody going to admit it!!! I know big lake had 10,000 on the shipchannel

Hopedale Hustler 06-22-2009 01:06 PM

i was soakin 12 inch pogeys at thunderhorse and medusa..

SULPHITE 06-22-2009 01:18 PM

Not gonna lie I caught bait on friday, got wasted:spineyes: fri night and let the most of the bait perish!! Threw some mullet on sat, but couldn't stand it went to plastics and caught my reds...everyone I saw were chunking shrimp, saw a couple of croaker or mullet throwers...I just needed to compose my self to recover so we jammed the radio and let'm soak...once reality came back we were chunkin plastics only and for the rest of the day.:cool:

Feesherman 06-22-2009 02:32 PM

We threw topwater all day on Saturday. Kept gettin bit so no reason in stopping. My girlfriend had a huge fish on for a while, pulled more drag off the reel than any fish I ever caught and my biggest trout is 8 pounds. It ended up gettin off. Poor thing, she was dying to weigh a fish in a tourny.

Light Tackle John 06-22-2009 02:59 PM

I absolutely agree. A 2cooler partener emailed me wanting to fish the tournament together and the first sentenced said "Are you freed up this Saturday to fish the Spectacular on Big Lake; the only problem is we can't wade and the allow live bait". Neither of us ended up fishing the tournament for other reasons but it didn't bother us as much because of the rules.

I don't care if fisherman want to throw live bait to catch thier fish. If the title "tournament" is being used, live bait should not be allowed unless it is for a charity and then there should be seperate divisions with the artifishual payout being higher!! Wading should be allowed even if they say you must be on the water by boat 1st, and may exit and enter the boat to wade as long as the boat is the primary means to travel and transport fish off the lake. Something like that would work for me.

Pescador 06-22-2009 04:42 PM

Sounds like jealousy to me...I'm no tourney fisherman, but if I were live bait would DEFINATLEY be on my agenda. I have nothing against fisherman who use plastics, I throw them on occasion. Why get mad about it? Catching your own bait and keeping it alive takes much more skill and patience than going to Academy and picking up a bag of plastics.

dbarham 06-22-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajun Elite (Post 16539)
BAN LIVE BAIT FROM TROUT TOURNYS... THIS IS BS sorry it just burns me..:(

croker debate?:spineyes:

dbarham 06-22-2009 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hopedale Hustler (Post 16754)
Ok so Guys...Deff Should Be Banned From Tourneys...no doubt..i do try to throw artificial as often as i can when not deck handing or fishing with customers..mah captain charter captain that is has to make a livin too..and sometimes artificial just dont get the job done guys..i mean its easy for yall to scream no live bait when yall fish in a place like big like (arguably the greatest trophy lake in the country..) but just from a breton sound platform fishing fisherman...artificial dont always get it done..im no uscg charter captain (yet)..so i only deck hand charters on weekends to make a lil extra cash to pay for gas in the boat during the week...but i do know and see what its like tryin to make a livin in this bizz when there is know live bait..especially when fishing in such a place like The B sound where many situations artificial is not an option..some times its not just croaker soaking..more than often its a croaker free lined getting workked much like a hybrind or H&H...not tryin to cause arguments here but just tryin to make the point that just because you fish live dont mean ur less of a fisherman...

BTW The Biggest Trout Ive Ever Caught Was Caught On A Hybrid Flurry Tipped With Shrimp..haha wats that make me?

a potlicker! J/K DUDE :*****::*****:WHO CARES WHAT PEOPLE THROW

LaAngler 06-22-2009 05:31 PM

do croaker wars ever get anywhere?

rosska 06-22-2009 05:49 PM

Hopefully
 
Hopefully this one will at least get two different divisions in tournaments!

Hopedale Hustler 06-22-2009 05:51 PM

the only reason i care is cause some people seem to think people who do use live bait from time to time are less of fisherman..

eman 06-22-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 16833)
I dont see the STAR or any CCA events banning live bait because of the members!! CCA is for all fisherman....good and bad...
But I would love to see other events like we had this pass weekend ban live bait.....They said no wading but croaker soaking was good......JUST NOT RIGHT...

Well aren't tourneys for all fishermen good and bad?

"W" 06-22-2009 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pescador (Post 16987)
Sounds like jealousy to me...I'm no tourney fisherman, but if I were live bait would DEFINATLEY be on my agenda. I have nothing against fisherman who use plastics, I throw them on occasion. Why get mad about it? Catching your own bait and keeping it alive takes much more skill and patience than going to Academy and picking up a bag of plastics.


I know you didn't go there!!!! :*****::*****::*****:

LaAngler 06-22-2009 06:32 PM

any idiot can go out and bounce a sand eel.....:D

"W" 06-22-2009 06:34 PM

:thefinger::rasberry:
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Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 17030)
any idiot can go out and bounce a sand eel.....:D


Feesherman 06-23-2009 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pescador (Post 16987)
Catching your own bait and keeping it alive takes much more skill and patience than going to Academy and picking up a bag of plastics.

Wow what a skill. At least, since you don't have any fish catching skills, you can always make mullet/pogie gumbo out of the bait you skillfully caught when you don't catch fish.

Pescador 06-23-2009 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 17304)
Wow what a skill. At least, since you don't have any fish catching skills, you can always make mullet/pogie gumbo out of the bait you skillfully caught when you don't catch fish.

Haha...i don't have a care in my mind what anyone uses for bait to catch there fish. The two seperate tourney divisions sounds like a great idea! But believe me...I'm definatley not eating my bait; TROUT seem to LOVE it! Saturday Mornings catch....

SULPHITE 06-23-2009 09:03 AM

I see a pretty decent sized trout in there...

Long Pole 06-23-2009 09:13 AM

I see some 8" flounder too...

Feesherman 06-23-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Long Pole (Post 17319)
I see some 8" flounder too...


I can't rag on that. I always keep a few small ones like that because my Mom loves to bake them in her toaster oven. She get's so excited when I bring her some little flounder like that.

cmdrost 06-23-2009 11:09 AM

this goes down for the dumbest thread of the year! Who cares what people use to fish with.

Feesherman 06-23-2009 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 17341)
this goes down for the dumbest thread of the year! Who cares what people use to fish with.

I will say, I don't care what people use to fish with. It's the tournaments we are talking about. It's two totally different fishing methods. The trout masters tourny that came here a few years back did not allow live bait. I would like to see the Trout Shootout go the same way. Maybe start with two different divisions, live bait category and artificial category with more prize money going to artys. I would imagine more and more would start signing up for the artys due to more prize money and it could be phased out all together.


Disclaimer: This my opinion and my opinion only.


P.S. I don't think this thread is dumb.

"W" 06-23-2009 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 17341)
this goes down for the dumbest thread of the year! Who cares what people use to fish with.

I don't care what anybody fishes with on there time!! I think when a tournament is hosted Live bait should not be allowed!!!
I hear this..."Well use live bait then"...NO...I would fell like im cheating my self if I fish live bait in a tournament....Its self respect I have!!! I'm on the water 175 days year and know how,where,what and when to fish!!! Then i pay $100 bucks to get bet by Joe Blow on his 3rd trip to the lake by soaking a croaker at the jetties!!!! There is no pride in that IM SORRY.....I have been fishing to long!!!

This my opinon and just how I see it!!!!

Austin(boatman's son) 06-23-2009 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 16586)
WE DONT ROLL LIVE BAIT.....NOT FOR MONEY....Their is NO SKILL in Soaking a Croaker on bottom.....Im No trophy trout king but I can say that I have never soaked a croaker or shrimp ........All my fish come off artifical

you can narrow your artificial down to 3 baits lol

meaux fishing 06-23-2009 01:54 PM

I have never been in a tourney but was thinkin about tryin some this summer...after reading this they are not for me....the thought of live bait in a tourney never crossed my mind. I mean I have been known to croker soak every once in a while, especially in an area I don't know, but nothing is more satisfying than catching on artificial. I think of a tournament as a test of skill between a group of people and if you introduce live bait the only skill you need is being able to cast. So all these so called tournaments are really just large amounts of people betting against each other to see who can catch the biggest fish. Now if it is a fundraiser for a good cause such as the one Shad is trying to put together I'm in, but I think I will just stick to fishing for myself and leave these "tournaments" to you guys.


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