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mcjaredsandwich 07-14-2011 07:56 PM

If youre tippin on fo fos you get the best of both worlds

SULPHITE 07-14-2011 07:57 PM

live bait...usually used by a fisherman who wants to catch fish. i.e. a person who's only chance to fish is on weekends because he or she has to work during the week in order to provide for his/her family. I can't blame a guy who wants to catch fish and know his chance will increase if live bait is used. Go for it.

yes artificial takes skill...but any slap nut can throw into a school of hungry trout and catch.

so it depends...

SaltyShaw 07-14-2011 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SULPHITE (Post 286652)
live bait...usually used by a fisherman who wants to catch fish. i.e. a person who's only chance to fish is on weekends because he or she has to work during the week in order to provide for his/her family. I can't blame a guy who wants to catch fish and know his chance will increase if live bait is used. Go for it.

yes artificial takes skill...but any slap nut can throw into a school of hungry trout and catch.

so it depends...

They dont have to be schooling or under birds, drift reefs you will see what im talking about i have caught them with no tide movement just drifting till i find the section of reef they are holding on

wtretrievers 07-14-2011 08:20 PM

Ask a Bass fisherman if he throws live bait......all in the way you're brought up.

SULPHITE 07-14-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wtretrievers (Post 286664)
Ask a Bass fisherman if he throws live bait......all in the way you're brought up.

damn right my pops threw on the shiners....he was raised by an alabama redneck!!!LOL!!

you catching fish or you ain't gotta fish fry!

Red Devil 07-14-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bayouchub (Post 286527)
Just wondering?

When it comes to trout, NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!

marshworks 07-14-2011 08:25 PM

As someone who makes his living in this industry, I can say this. We struggle everyday to build the better bait/ mousetrap/ the new "holy crap I can't believe we haven't thought of this before!!!" As far as soft plastics goes, our best producing baits are close cousins, in color, to their real life counterparts.

As far as which type of fisherman is better, depends on your perspective. What's the objective? Catch fish? Not sure that a line can be drawn if the end result is the same.

I fondle more plastic baits before 9am than you will in your life... :)

mcjaredsandwich 07-14-2011 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SULPHITE (Post 286652)
live bait...usually used by a fisherman who wants to catch fish. i.e. a person who's only chance to fish is on weekends because he or she has to work during the week in order to provide for his/her family. I can't blame a guy who wants to catch fish and know his chance will increase if live bait is used. Go for it.

yes artificial takes skill...but any slap nut can throw into a school of hungry trout and catch.

so it depends...

If they are schooling, a crome plated turd with hooks will catch trout. Lol!

marshworks 07-14-2011 08:35 PM

Sorry, that last line didn't come out so good now that i read it. Was meant to be a joke. I fondle squishy fish how 'bout that.

SaltyShaw 07-14-2011 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by marshworks (Post 286675)
Sorry, that last line didn't come out so good now that i read it. Was meant to be a joke. I fondle squishy fish how 'bout that.

HAHA mo betta!

Hopedale Hustler 07-14-2011 08:52 PM

Some days you just gotta have it over here...I've been at multiple well heads or rigs where I could see thousands of trout beneath the surface just killing shrimp and threw every bait in the box at em but nothing and throw dead shrimp still nothing then hung 75 trout in a hour on live shrimp....I don't use live bait until it's absolutely the last resort but that sound is alot further run than big lake and I'll be damned if 100+ on gas is ever gonna go to waist....

Reel Aquaholic 07-14-2011 09:22 PM

I prefer artificial 10-1 over live bait. I won't say it takes more talent to use artificial but I guarantee it takes more patience. I'd rather throw plastic all day and not catch shat than be unhooking hardheads all day. To each his own...

inchspinner 07-14-2011 09:23 PM

To catch fish, one must learn.....You have to crawl before you walk......Then a A REAL deer hunter doesnt put out CORN...TRY ART. CORN....CLETUS....

mcjaredsandwich 07-14-2011 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by inchspinner (Post 286696)
To catch fish, one must learn.....You have to crawl before you walk......Then a A REAL deer hunter doesnt put out CORN...TRY ART. CORN....CLETUS....

Haha artifical corn lmao!!!

wtretrievers 07-14-2011 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by inchspinner (Post 286696)
To catch fish, one must learn.....You have to crawl before you walk......Then a A REAL deer hunter doesnt put out CORN...TRY ART. CORN....CLETUS....

I don't put out corn either ;) learn how to fish & learn how to hunt!!!

inchspinner 07-14-2011 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wtretrievers (Post 286713)
I don't put out corn either ;) learn how to fish & learn how to hunt!!!

Well there you have it, and im with HUSTLA, If have friends with kids, or its the last resort ill use them ill buy them on the way out incase they dont want my bait they can have some of their own...I only get to fish about once maybe twice a week so dropping 75 in gas...Im coming home with something...Went cast netting one time in Grand Chenier and didnt catch squat, what did i do hit up a Dyson friend and went and got some...lol...:D

eman 07-14-2011 11:32 PM

I will get in the boat w/ anyone in GI and let you go wherever you want and throw your arties. I wont fish till you catch your first 3 and i promise that i will out fish you once i start throwing live shrimp.
Done it to many times . Pulled up next to someone catching on plastic and as soon as the shrimp hit the water their bite is over

meaux fishing 07-14-2011 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eman (Post 286746)
I will get in the boat w/ anyone in GI and let you go wherever you want and throw your arties. I wont fish till you catch your first 3 and i promise that i will out fish you once i start throwing live shrimp.
Done it to many times . Pulled up next to someone catching on plastic and as soon as the shrimp hit the water their bite is over

no doubt about it

Dink 07-15-2011 12:06 AM

That makes 2 confused Bob's ........queastion wasn't who catche's more. Its who's the better fisherman

LPfishnTIM 07-15-2011 12:14 AM

I like to throw artificial, live bait cost too much unless you catch it yourself, plus if you learn what to throw in certain conditions you can have better success, I'll swap from using plastics to throwing hardbaits like a sinking twitchbait, or a surface walker when the conditions change, it works with bass fishing too, if the wind picks up and it blowing I usually throw a spinnerbait around structure, if the wind is light and I'm having to finesse fish I throw a soft plastic, If its summer and I'm trying to catch fish in deeper water I use a crank baits or I drop a carolina rig. I try to remember conditions and what lure or technique caught fish so I can use that as a future reference.

SaltyShaw 07-15-2011 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LPfishnTIM (Post 286753)
I like to throw artificial, live bait cost too much unless you catch it yourself, plus if you learn what to throw in certain conditions you can have better success, I'll swap from using plastics to throwing hardbaits like a sinking twitchbait, or a surface walker when the conditions change, it works with bass fishing too, if the wind picks up and it blowing I usually throw a spinnerbait around structure, if the wind is light and I'm having to finesse fish I throw a soft plastic, If its summer and I'm trying to catch fish in deeper water I use a crank baits or I drop a carolina rig. I try to remember conditions and what lure or technique caught fish so I can use that as a future reference.

Start keeping a log of your fishing trips just started doin that and it will def make next summer a little easier for me:D

Tightline11 07-15-2011 04:02 AM

if i win the starr with REAL bait do i win the boat...........ummm yes suhhhhh...but art. takes more skill.....take that to the bank....and agree....the truth will set you freee...lol.


That is the way Wayne won the starr last year with live bait, fishing at night and he sure came home with the boat.

SaltyShaw 07-15-2011 04:41 AM

Off subject here but tightline were did you get that pic in your avatar? awesome picture have a link?

"W" 07-15-2011 06:16 AM

I can out fish live shrimp half the time.... You might catch more fish...as,trash and smaller trout.....if trout are their u can catch them on plastic...

Ray 07-15-2011 06:57 AM

I have been outfished by live shrimp in Big Lake last year. Boat next to me was catching 4 or 5 to my 1 fish.
But I have been in the boat with live shrimp fishermen and out fished them with artificial, both in Big Lake and in Grand Isle.
I think it all depends on what the fish prefer at that time and how you present the artificial lure.
Last time I went fishing in Grand Isle, I outfished 2 live bait fishermen in the boat with a glow salty grub. The faster I moved it, the more hits I got.
If they are schooling, artificial will get you more fish faster. Artificial fishermen don't have to dig in a live well for bait.
I don't like trash fish, I don't catch near as many as a live bait fisherman.

Duck Butter 07-15-2011 07:45 AM

W can't throw a castnet is why he doesn't use live bait:eek:

You bash on live baiters and then come out and say you are going to use live mullet? Make up your mind

Zork 07-15-2011 08:17 AM

I think most people start off using live bait and switch to artificials for the sport/ease of it. Not having to mess with trying to locate live bait and keep it alive all day is a pain in the *** sometimes. There is nothing like jumping off in the water waist deep as the sun is popping up chunking topwaters and watching trout blow up the bait...

Duck Butter 07-15-2011 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 286598)
Agreed, my kids fish with me 80% of the time and we use live bait most of the time in the summer. You won't find me doing any of the things that are discussed on this site. We prefer to use artifical bait but live at least in the summer usually keeps my kids on the fish.

Regarding this topic, W and many others are much better fishermen than me, no doubt about it. I catch fish when I go and my kids have a good time, that is all that I am in this for. You guys can call me popping cork chicken or whatever you want to call me. As long as my kids and wife have a good time fishing on the boat I don't care what any of you on this site or on our lake think of my fishing skills.

This is a good post, most the time I have people with me who rarely saltwater fish and just want to catch fish, and don't care what they fish with. They taste the exact same no matter what they are caught on. If I am after redfish, 90% of the time I have a cork and a finger mullet on, and watching that cork go down is pretty dang exciting.

booyagasha 07-15-2011 08:23 AM

Ya.. but offshore or inshore??? Still the same then?

chugbug2000 07-15-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Zork (Post 286795)
I think most people start off using live bait and switch to artificials for the sport/ease of it. Not having to mess with trying to locate live bait and keep it alive all day is a pain in the *** sometimes. There is nothing like jumping off in the water waist deep as the sun is popping up chunking topwaters and watching trout blow up the bait...


Agree with that.

evidrine 07-15-2011 08:40 AM

When I go to fish, I go to bring fish home. Im not there to out fish anyone, or show up anyone. If they are biting on live bait, thats what I use. If they are hitting artificial then thats what it will be. I deff dont think it makes a better fisherman one way or the other. A better fisherman knows how to catch fish with what they are biting on. A good fisherman knows how to use each and when to use it.

inchspinner 07-15-2011 09:01 AM

This thread can go on for days, this is a matter opinions...who right, everyone is....lets just go catch sumoe...

Choupique 07-15-2011 09:05 AM

Live Bait: Just cast and wait, great for new anglers, great for finicky fish, Used mostly with spinning gear, expensive, takes extra time to change/re-rig, trash fish magnet, takes special preparations/ live wells, etc.

Artificial: Match the hatch, Faster recast, lots of options to choose from, angler creates desired action, used mostly with baitcasters, helps to have confidence in lures to grind out fish in tough conditions, can be cheap or VERY expensive depending on your propensity for buying every type of lure option.

SaltERedneck 07-15-2011 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by inchspinner (Post 286826)
This thread can go on for days, this is a matter opinions...who right, everyone is....lets just go catch sumoe...

agreed.... ready to slang some trout. Arties all day!!! cant bring the baitwell in da yak is all i am saying.

YellowMouth7 07-15-2011 09:11 AM

Def Plastics are more difficult to consistantly catch trout

"W" 07-15-2011 10:33 AM

This is not to make fun of one way or the other....some are getting bent out of shape..

on the bad fishing part...Its not that every guy who uses live bait can not fish or is a bad fisherman with no respect ...>it the higher percentage of people who use live bait are....NOT ALL just more

Like with T-Top boats...Not all who have a T-Top is a bad fisherman but the higher % who have them are....They seem to be the ones who mess up people the most...NOT ALL

also live vs artificial

I know several guides personal who will not use live bait and the only exception for them to ever have it in there boat is...KIDS or Senior citizens fishing

IMO..If your a guide and can not put a good number of trout in your boat on plastic all year long...your not that good

I have seen guides throwing live shrimp at sunrise....WOW.. That shows me a few things about him right off the bat...#1 Lazy #2 has no confidence in his ability to catch fish on plastic #3 lack lots of knowledge

There should be no reason for a guide to be throwing live shrimp at daylight or even the 1st 3 hours....

all my years on Big lake...I know for a Fact there is one month and one month only it is hard to catch lots of numbers on plastic and that is August....every other month you can load them up....

If im a guide I want to teach people how to fish...Not go set anchor and throw crickets under a cork and say reel in...That is not teaching them anything ,,,and there is a reason why they hired you or your company....so teach them how to use plastic and catch fish

I take guys all the time who never fish saltwater...I always show them how you use plastic and teach them why and what we are doing while fishing....they will leave my boat knowing more than they came on it with.....

Duck Butter 07-15-2011 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 286872)
also live vs artificial

I know several guides personal who will not use live bait and the only exception for them to ever have it in there boat is...KIDS or Senior citizens fishing

Just as with MOST not ALL your ramblings, you can NOT have both, you either do NOT fish with it, or you DO or WILL. This guy DOES

IMO..If your a guide and can not put a good number of trout in your boat on plastic all year long...your not that good

I have seen guides throwing live shrimp at sunrise....WOW.. That shows me a few things about him right off the bat...#1 Lazy #2 has no confidence in his ability to catch fish on plastic #3 lack lots of knowledge

There should be no reason for a guide to be throwing live shrimp at daylight or even the 1st 3 hours....

More of your lust for Big Lake guides is all this is, you wish you were a guide is all:grinpimp:

all my years on Big lake...I know for a Fact there is one month and one month only it is hard to catch lots of numbers on plastic and that is August....every other month you can load them up....

If you were a 'good' fisherman you shouldn't NEED live bait remember, see above and see every other post you ever ramble about

If im a guide I want to teach people how to fish...Not go set anchor and throw crickets under a cork and say reel in...That is not teaching them anything ,,,and there is a reason why they hired you or your company....so teach them how to use plastic and catch fish

Most people going with a guide are not out there to LEARN how to fish, they want to CATCH fish and have a good time.

I take guys all the time who never fish saltwater...I always show them how you use plastic and teach them why and what we are doing while fishing....they will leave my boat knowing more than they came on it with.....

You just have a love affair with guides, I think you should become a guide and your slogan could be:

We NEVER fish live bait (excecpt for August when its hard to catch fish), and $100 for fisherman who can throw a cast net:*****:

Rookie Redfish 07-15-2011 11:30 AM

Im not good at artificial bait at all.
never seem to catch much.
But dead shrimp or cut bait, just throw it out and wait about 10 seconds and you feel that bump. bump, bump, pull. zing.. there you go.
sometings gonna bite.

Feesherman 07-15-2011 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rookie Redfish (Post 286906)
Im not good at artificial bait at all.
never seem to catch much.
But dead shrimp or cut bait, just throw it out and wait about 10 seconds and you feel that bump. bump, bump, pull. zing.. there you go.
sometings gonna bite.


Croaker/Hardhead city. I'd rather catch nothing than fish with expensive saltwater crickets and catch trash.

inchspinner 07-15-2011 12:11 PM

Mines bigger than yours, i can jump higher, i got more money than you, my noats bigger, faster, and more confy, my kids are smarter than yours, zi hate live bait, i love art.........the point of this is........:...













SO WHAT.

ckinchen 07-15-2011 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by inchspinner (Post 286928)
Mines bigger than yours, i can jump higher, i got more money than you, my noats bigger, faster, and more confy, my kids are smarter than yours, zi hate live bait, i love art.........the point of this is........:...













SO WHAT.

Agreed, well said. This thread was started by somoene that wanted to get a big debate started and mess with everyone which is fine. They got what they wanted.

PaulMyers 07-15-2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by inchspinner (Post 286928)
Mines bigger than yours, i can jump higher, i got more money than you, my noats bigger, faster, and more confy, my kids are smarter than yours, zi hate live bait, i love art.........the point of this is........:.

.........the point of this is........:... You spell like "W" :rotfl::rotfl::eek::rotfl::rotfl::p

inchspinner 07-15-2011 12:25 PM

So what.....im taller than "w"......so what.....lol haha. Rotfl.....

PaulMyers 07-15-2011 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inchspinner (Post 286941)
So what.....im taller than "w"......so what.....lol haha. Rotfl.....

Point taken!

mcjaredsandwich 07-15-2011 01:30 PM

We just need to make a bait that starts out artificial and becomes alive...kinda the same principle as sea monkeys. Solve the debate haha

Rookie Redfish 07-15-2011 02:30 PM

Did you just say seamonkeys. lol
I forgot all about them.
When i was a kid my dad got me some of those seamonkeys aka little brine shrimp.

outcast 07-15-2011 04:57 PM

Flyfisherman are better than any one! Especially ones that tie there own flies. ( like me) You start making your own baits and catching fish, then come talk to me

PaulMyers 07-15-2011 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outcast (Post 287083)
Flyfisherman are better than any one!

You just knocked that one out of the park!


Sent from my EVO

SaltyShaw 07-15-2011 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outcast (Post 287083)
Flyfisherman are better than any one! Especially ones that tie there own flies. ( like me) You start making your own baits and catching fish, then come talk to me

One upper.......

wtretrievers 07-15-2011 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by outcast (Post 287083)
Flyfisherman are better than any one! Especially ones that tie there own flies. ( like me) You start making your own baits and catching fish, then come talk to me

Dats right boy! You tell em!!!!
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