Originally Posted by thegr8cody (Post 305433)

i live in lake charles is there a place i can obtain a map of these areas. im not familiar with the area and am fixen to have my own boat and would save me alot of confusion.mainly the calc river

Originally Posted by 2ndamendment (Post 305435)

He is right on with this statement young man(Fool). If you want others to be right, then you have to conduct yourself in the same manner.
Fool when was your canal dugout? Which land owner dug the canal? I have seen you also reference the culverts as 'our' culvert. Did the land/homeowners install the big culverts or did the parish/state install the culverts under SPFR?

Kinchen, I am of the same consideration and view point as you are on majority of this.

Originally Posted by 2ndamendment (Post 305435)

He is right on with this statement young man(Fool). If you want others to be right, then you have to conduct yourself in the same manner.
Fool when was your canal dugout? Which land owner dug the canal? I have seen you also reference the culverts as 'our' culvert. Did the land/homeowners install the big culverts or did the parish/state install the culverts under SPFR?

Kinchen, I am of the same consideration and view point as you are on majority of this.

Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 305408)

Problem with southeast La is that the places that are water now were once land, so even though its wide open water, it once was land and the 'land'owner still owns the land even though its water:help:I understand this, BUT put a posted sign and don't get mad at people making an honest mistake, however the law clearly states that 'land' does not have to be clearly posted anymore, this is where the confusion comes in.

Seeing more and more of this ownership of water happen in N La as well. Some of my favorite lakes to fish on the Oua****a River now have levees and a culvert blocking them from access. These were always accessible even at pool stage, and if I had enough money I would fight the issue. Basically the landowner that owns the land around the lake placed a levee and culvert and now has his own private fishing lake.:pissed: THIS is illegal

Fool - didn't you tell a story a week or so ago about you duckhunting an area that was not posted and getting ran off by the landowner?:shaking: You can't have it both ways man. You hunted an area that was not posted knowing it was private property, BUT when someone comes into 'your' canal, you get upset!:eek:

Originally Posted by thegr8cody (Post 305441)

well i been studyin it on google maps.i was hopin they had a map but thatd make it to easy i guess.what canal by the 1-10 bridge are yall talking about i hope not the one on the right going north? i was lookin at that one earlier lol.

Originally Posted by huntin fool (Post 305442)

First, I was 9 years old, no posted signs and was in my backyard. I did not know it was posted. There was areas of the marsh that was posted, but not this section. Second, there is 3 other private canals just like mine, got beef with me, go bark up there tree.

2ndamendment your 'buddy' owns one of these. I'll gladly start going in it.

Originally Posted by Hebert (Post 305457)

I don't agree with the privatization of our marshes and especially don't agree with not being able to use navigable waterways....I see this as a systematic way to push the average Cajun person out of lands they have enjoyed for years...its happening at full speed now and if we don't change this soon we won't have anything to fish in and then you will hear the whining begin.......

just like holly beach..they have used the last hurricanes as a way to push the average cajun out and only allow people with the cash to build hundred thousands dollar camps to be there.....

after being gone from La. for many years and to come back to what is happening here it is sickening to watch......

Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 305189)

I think the answer is yes, he would.

Originally Posted by Montauk17 (Post 305477)

Is the salt ditch going black lake considered "private"?

Originally Posted by Montauk17 (Post 305477)

Is the salt ditch going black lake considered "private"?

Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 305475)

I agree with this, but also see the argument from the 'other side' as well. SOME (not all) of this is due to frivolous lawsuits of people getting hurt on someones' property and they are just having to take measures to extreme. Others are still clearly in the wrong and want to have their own private fishing hole. We are in a world where everyone wants to sue and get something for nothing, and it is what it is.

Fool, that was by no means an attack, but you have to see it from both sides. You were 9 isn't going to hold up when it comes to a trespassing ticket, much like the guy who didn't know he was in a private canal. Mistakes happen

Originally Posted by huntin fool (Post 305504)

No harm takin bro. I didn't know it was private, I dont go back. I'm just stating the my canal is non navigable along with the rest of the culverts on the calcasieu.

Originally Posted by weedeater (Post 305506)

I thnk the biggest problem yall (the people on your road) have is people fishin from the road on the marsh side, aint that the case there and not boats

Originally Posted by evis102 (Post 305424)

Yet some guides have no problem tieing up to our dock in West Cove or going down our private canal to fish the cuts. Cajun Phil even shot a tv show in there without our permission. But in 30 years we have never called the law and the only time we ask people to get off the dock is so we can fish.

Originally Posted by boatdriver (Post 305587)

And your dock is where in the cove???

Originally Posted by boatdriver (Post 305587)

And your dock is where in the cove???

Originally Posted by Capt.B (Post 304950)

If you don't know don't go!! Cameron parish is really funny bout this...they not gonna play wit cha.

Originally Posted by fishinpox (Post 305601)

Over by that reef you almost started crying about when u saw we beat u there this morning! Lmao

Originally Posted by evis102 (Post 305609)

On the canal in the southwest corner. We have had the land on both sides of that canal leased for the last 30 years. We even had a camp there but it's been gone for awhile. The older members of the family drive the oilfield roads and 4 wheeler down to the dock. By law we could turn in every boat that goes past the mouth of the canal without permission. Also we could put a gate across the mouth of the canal. But we see that as being rather silly and as long as people make room when we showup to fish we don't worry about it.

Originally Posted by huntin fool (Post 305439)

The canal was dugout when they logged the canal. If you say mine isn't private, go down into the 4th culvert of mistreda's.

Originally Posted by boatdriver (Post 305626)

Didn't know that was ya'lls property. I thought it was Apache.

Originally Posted by boatdriver (Post 305625)

Well it must be nice to be in the same boat in which the owner claims that he "bought" some GPS points from someone else!!! It makes fishing a whole lot easier to have that advantage. And it still didn't help y'all even place. Yeah, now I am laughing! It's ok, I caught 56 fish today. I have PLENTY of my own spots to fish that I didn't have to buy from someone! So, one reef won't hurt me, trust me.

Originally Posted by Marshrat (Post 305641)

If this canal was dug for drainage by a public entity it makes it public. There is a canal that has the land owners that border it claim it private, it has even been to court and the land owners have lost. The reason being is the parish drainage board paid to have the canal dug also after it was dug, LDWF paid to put in a launch. A lot has to do with different variables.

Another body of water that was once private which not many people know is White Lake, in Vermilion parish. The lake was landlocked before the old Intracoastal was dug and the oilfield came in and drilled.

Also from schools I have been to for work, the government defines navigable waters as any water that flows to a natural body of water. The example that was given is this; "the road ditch, that you keep up, if it drains to a natural lake, river, or stream is indeed navigable if it can float a toothpick at least one time in a 365 day period".


Warren

Originally Posted by Marshrat (Post 305645)

Follow this link and you can pretty much see what is private and what is not. On the left click on state lands, then state claimed water bodies. After that click on legend and it will give you the guide to see what is private and public.


http://199.188.2.155/gis/statelands/viewer.htm



Warren

Originally Posted by evis102 (Post 305644)

That's who we lease from. Bad thing is they have no more wells that far down so they do no road upkeep. Another hurricane and the road we be gone. But that may make it better for fishing since it will open all the marsh to the east to a greater influx of tide. When they installed the water control for Mud Lake it made a big difference in the amount of fish and shrimp coming out of that canal.

Originally Posted by huntin fool (Post 305672)

Yea OUR canal is definately not state claimed. According to my past references and that site

:thefinger::p :rotfl:


Atleast weedeater understood it all.

Originally Posted by weedeater (Post 305711)

I grew up with the Little Burns in my back yard and have shot many tree rats and a few ducks in there but always knew the risk of Mastrada( how ever you spell it) catchin us

Originally Posted by huntin fool (Post 305780)

that dude will shoot ya too!!!

Originally Posted by Gerald (Post 306668)

Hey....watch that, you talking about my neighbor. Jim M. lives just down the road from me. At one time he owned most of the Moss Bluff property, including my property.

And he does usuall "carry" and has a bottle.....so be careful with him. He is a grouchy [and very rich] old man, and IMO it is because he does not have a women.