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huntin fool 01-07-2012 11:10 PM

And adds weight.

bayouchub 01-07-2012 11:15 PM

Thats the reason it dampens sensitivity. Extra unneeded guides actually put more friction on your line during a cast and decrease casting distance. You want the minimal amount of guides on a rod just as long as when the rod is under a full load with an all on top casting rod that your line does not go below the blank.

Shawn Braquet 01-07-2012 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by huntin fool (Post 373248)
And adds weight.

Lift weights!

LPfishnTIM 01-07-2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bayouchub (Post 373236)
The more guides on a rod actually dampen sensitivity.

with the micro guides you can place more guides on a rod without altering the action. I wouldn't want that many with regular guides that are wrapped on the top and bottom.

bayouchub 01-07-2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LPfishnTIM (Post 373256)
with the micro guides you can place more guides on a rod without altering the action. I wouldn't want that many with regular guides that are wrapped on the top and bottom.

Tha is true but why not take advantage of why the micro was designed and save significant weight by not adding so many extra micros.

LPfishnTIM 01-07-2012 11:27 PM

I flip and pitch a lot, all my custom rods are heavy action, or med heavy. my saltwater rods aren't custom rods, there shimano and if they break, I swap them out at no cost!

LPfishnTIM 01-07-2012 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bayouchub (Post 373260)
Tha is true but why not take advantage of why the micro was designed and save significant weight by not adding so many extra micros.

most rods with micros have at least 10 guides, my rods are close to what a boyd duckett rod is but they are spiral rods. the extra guides are closer to the tip. and one rod has 13 guides and one has 12. 7ft and 7.5 ft.

PUREBAY2200 01-07-2012 11:40 PM

Stacking all those guides towards the tip don't mes with the balance or " bend" in rod??

bayouchub 01-07-2012 11:45 PM

It adds weight to the tip for no reason therefore it effects balance

LPfishnTIM 01-07-2012 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200 (Post 373280)
Stacking all those guides towards the tip don't mes with the balance or " bend" in rod??

the guides help distribute the weight along the rod, if the guides aren't place right you can stress an area in the rod and have a greater chance of breaking.

LPfishnTIM 01-07-2012 11:49 PM

I could take pictures but all your gonna see is a rod blank because the micro guides are so small.

Salty 01-07-2012 11:52 PM

So, if I was to glue 20 more guides on a 7 1/2' Cenderi and slam my truck door on it...the extra guides will protect it from breaking? :eek:

LPfishnTIM 01-07-2012 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 373289)
So, if I was to glue 20 more guides on a 7 1/2' Cenderi and slam my truck door on it...the extra guides will protect it from breaking? :eek:

heck no! but I wouldn't mess with your cenderi it was made right! and i'm sure Falcon will help you out on another one!

bayouchub 01-07-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 373289)
So, if I was to glue 20 more guides on a 7 1/2' Cenderi and slam my truck door on it...the extra guides will protect it from breaking? :eek:

Lmao

LPfishnTIM 01-08-2012 12:03 AM

question? a falcon cara micro has 13 guides, you think they know how to make a rod?

LPfishnTIM 01-08-2012 12:04 AM

it also cost $225.00 and the rods I get cost $160.

bayouchub 01-08-2012 12:05 AM

Theres a difference in knowing how to make a rod and how to sell a rod.

1fastmerc 01-08-2012 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 373289)
So, if I was to glue 20 more guides on a 7 1/2' Cenderi and slam my truck door on it...the extra guides will protect it from breaking? :eek:

Not a very good an analogy. Lol


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Salty 01-08-2012 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 1fastmerc (Post 373302)
Not a very good an analogy. Lol


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It wasn't designed to be "good". It was supposed to be funny. ;)

PUREBAY2200 01-08-2012 12:11 AM

Please xplain the benefit of a spiral rod ??

Salty 01-08-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LPfishnTIM (Post 373300)
it also cost $225.00 and the rods I get cost $160.

Well, that's because it's got $200 worth of guides on it.

Yes, IMO, Falcon knows how to build a rod.

1fastmerc 01-08-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 373305)
It wasn't designed to be "good". It was supposed to be funny. ;)

It was that. Lol


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LPfishnTIM 01-08-2012 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bayouchub (Post 373301)
Theres a difference in knowing how to make a rod and how to sell a rod.

yeah, and I'm sold on micro guides and spiral rods and eva foam split grips! why? cuz thats what I've been using and its been working for me. know wanna argue about why I spend more and use flourocarbon line?

bayouchub 01-08-2012 12:17 AM

Im not arguing, just sayin the reason falcon and duckett put so many micros on a rod is because there are people out there that think "the more guides the better."

PUREBAY2200 01-08-2012 12:19 AM

Not gonna argue... But xplain the benefits of flouro line.

LPfishnTIM 01-08-2012 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200 (Post 373306)
Please xplain the benefit of a spiral rod ??

this isn't the company I use, but he explains the concept well.

bayouchub 01-08-2012 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LPfishnTIM (Post 373310)
yeah, and I'm sold on micro guides and spiral rods and eva foam split grips! why? cuz thats what I've been using and its been working for me. know wanna argue about why I spend more and use flourocarbon line?

I am also sold on micros, split grips, and fluoro line in certain applications. Not so much spiral wraps and eva. I was just saying its not necessary to put that many micros on a rod. I dont care what mid-level manufacturers are doing it.

PUREBAY2200 01-08-2012 12:31 AM

Ooooooo ok.
But rod companies gotta sell new rods..... And if Rods never break people won't buy more.... Guess that's y the big companies haven't gone to spiral??
Lol
Jk

I just flexed all my rods.... None rolled to the side......
I c what ole boy is talking about.... But I think it's kinda trying to "re invent the wheel"

LPfishnTIM 01-08-2012 12:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=FqxBcjB_LQw defense of micro guides. what they do, Technology explained.

Salty 01-08-2012 12:33 AM

Seriously now Tim, what the guy in the vid says about the rods twisting makes "cents" to me, but, can you really see the conventional rod "twist" when he pulled down on the tip? :shaking:

Another thing, after 9,000,000 years of the world fishing without this spiral crap......why is it so critical now?

Salty 01-08-2012 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200 (Post 373318)
Ooooooo ok.
But rod companies gotta sell new rods..... And if Rods never break people won't buy more.... Guess that's y the big companies haven't gone to spiral??
Lol
Jk

I just flexed all my rods.... None rolled to the side......
I c what ole boy is talking about.... But I think it's kinda trying to "re invent the wheel"

Yep, and IMO.....that's what this is all about. Some people take the bait....others don't.

PUREBAY2200 01-08-2012 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LPfishnTIM (Post 373319)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=FqxBcjB_LQw defense of micro guides. what they do, Technology explained.

I got a micro guide rod, love it.
Won't argue on micro guides

bayouchub 01-08-2012 12:41 AM

I never said one negative thing about micros. I use them. I simply stated that using more than you need on a rod negates one of the micros main purposes which is to save weight.

LPfishnTIM 01-08-2012 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200 (Post 373318)
Ooooooo ok.
But rod companies gotta sell new rods..... And if Rods never break people won't buy more.... Guess that's y the big companies haven't gone to spiral??
Lol
Jk

I just flexed all my rods.... None rolled to the side......
I c what ole boy is talking about.... But I think it's kinda trying to "re invent the wheel"

kinda, I broke a bass pro rod I knew i had a redfish on and it was running toward the boat I was trying to reel in the slack, then the fish ran strait back while I was reeling in and the fish started to pull i'm pulling up and facing a different way then the fish was running the rod twisted and broke. one way you can test your rod is pull the string bending the rod, turn your wrist sideways, pull some more tension with the string and straighten your wrist, the guide at the tip are still bending down and the guides closer to the real are facing up, the rod is being twisted in a way it can snap, guides being on the bottom keep the rod from twisting,

PUREBAY2200 01-08-2012 12:46 AM

If I took a piece of wood, widdled it down to a small shape ; spaced out 14 Cheerios along it ; then put a pistol grip on the bottom & got some guy down the street to do a YouTube video explaining the benefits of my "woody" rod..... I bet it would sell!!

PUREBAY2200 01-08-2012 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LPfishnTIM (Post 373324)
kinda, I broke a bass pro rod I knew i had a redfish on and it was running toward the boat I was trying to reel in the slack, then the fish ran strait back while I was reeling in and the fish started to pull i'm pulling up and facing a different way then the fish was running the rod twisted and broke. one way you can test your rod is pull the string bending the rod, turn your wrist sideways, pull some more tension with the string and straighten your wrist, the guide at the tip are still bending down and the guides closer to the real are facing up, the rod is being twisted in a way it can snap, guides being on the bottom keep the rod from twisting,

I solved that issue last summer.... I just flip my rod upside down when I catch a big fish.......

LPfishnTIM 01-08-2012 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200 (Post 373325)
If I took a piece of wood, widdled it down to a small shape ; spaced out 14 Cheerios along it ; then put a pistol grip on the bottom & got some guy down the street to do a YouTube video explaining the benefits of my "woody" rod..... I bet it would sell!!

Lmbo, thats worth a laugh!

weedeater 01-08-2012 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200 (Post 373325)
If I took a piece of wood, widdled it down to a small shape ; spaced out 14 Cheerios along it ; then put a pistol grip on the bottom & got some guy down the street to do a YouTube video explaining the benefits of my "woody" rod..... I bet it would sell!!

will this come with a quick draw holster :confused:

Sea-Trac Offshore 01-08-2012 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 373320)
Seriously now Tim, what the guy in the vid says about the rods twisting makes "cents" to me, but, can you really see the conventional rod "twist" when he pulled down on the tip? :shaking:

Another thing, after 9,000,000 years of the world fishing without this spiral crap......why is it so critical now?

Same thing about baits. I guess fish decided that they no longer want bingo lures and H&H sparkle beetles and have to eat 8.00 Corky's and Gulp.

Made to catch the fisherman not the fish.:*****:

LPfishnTIM 01-08-2012 09:33 AM

the spiral rod isn't sooo important, I like the concept. and I've caught just as many fish on my falcon and american rodsmith rods. now as far as baits there's a lot of crap out there, like the lazerlures, tried it, rip off! and I'd rather fish with a humdinger spinnerbait then with a $8 terminator spinnerbait any day. and I've caught more bass on a texas rigged plastic 3in grub and brushhogs then any other bait.

Duck Butter 01-08-2012 09:40 AM

If y'alls rods is a breaking, y'all needa set da drag a little lighter.

topwaterking 01-08-2012 12:58 PM

Don't bash them just find another person to build you one


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