That's the logic of the NMFS. They think rock is no good for fish, so they don't want it. All they are concerned with is fisheries and fish habitat. So, logically speaking, one could make the argument that they are against Rock because it protects the land, but if that land is lost, it creates more water for fish to live in.

Bit of a stretch, but who's to say its not the truth.

Did they ever hear about a concrete structure that destroys fishing




"Weirs"???

I see what your getting at but weirs are different. You still get water flow behind them. If they were to put rocks from one end to the other on the ship channel there won't be much water flow behind them. I agree though something needs to be done that land is going quick with all the ship traffic.

Actually they had a meeting on June 1st ( i believe)

But spoke with guys that said the weirs have not lived up to the plan and have "NOT" improved the marsh

Before and after picks of the marsh shows a healthier marsh with out water control

The talk was what now to do with the weirs and if it was feasible to have remove


( again I was not there just what i was told my several that went)

Once the damage is done from saltwater intrusion I would think it would be almost impossible to reverse. Just like where I grew up fishing around pecan island. Saltwater started killing the freshwater marsh then they dammed up most of the canals. Marsh continues to die...

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, COMPLETELY WRONG!!!! How is it that you are allowed to spew such crap? They should lock you up. Here's a first hand account of that meeting: The shrimpers actually agreed with the management of the weirs! They are finally going to work with everyone on the future management. Where in the hell did you get before and after pictures anyway? I've done an abundance of research on the marshes of the Sabine/Calcasieu and Mermentau basins, and overall, the marshes are in better shape now than 30 years ago. And that includes the marshes behind the weirs.

You need to get your facts straight.

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Hey i said i was not there!! This is from the crabbers that went

They said the (who ever they is) that the weirs have done nothing for that marsh

Also Smalls your saying the Marshes in Mermentau below catfish locks are better than 30 years ago???

And they have Zero weirs right??

Totally different animal....that area gets a huge influx of freshwater almost year round.

Ok lets talk about his statement of Sabine

Zero weirs and as his statement Marshes are better than 30 years ago

And thats not true either you can look at the history of the catfish locks and they give you salinity and number of hours open and closed

They have had saltwater holding in lower marsh area for very long periods of time

2005 the whole year up to Rita they stayed closed due to saltwater

Of course you will get higher salinity after a hurricane and drought years. Im talking about on a normal year. So you think the area would be better off without the catfish locks?

Yes....

Was fine for many many many years with out the locks

Only ones who really benefit from the locks are farmers (which i think is a good thing)

But why control water ways???

Why control something or change it from its original state??



Still waiting on smalls to tell me more in how Lower mermentau basin is better now than 30 years ago!!!

And if Sabine / Mermentau / and West side of Big lake all have marshes better than 30 years ago why are the east side only ones with weirs??

So what your saying is salty gulf water is good for fresh/brackish marshes....lmao

OVERALL, did not say everything was better. As a whole, the system is not in as bad a shape as it once was, but that does mean there are not degraded areas. There are many places that are not healthy or what they once were.

Because the marshes on the east side were impacted the most. There was some significant changes along the ship channel in Marsh type, marshes getting saltier, but as a whole, due to the management of the Sabine refuge and the lower saltwater flow into the Sabine ship channel, there was not near as much salt water flow into the west side.

East side got hit on both sides by saltwater.

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Here is catfish locks data
http://www2.mvn.usace.army.mil/od/lo....asp?lockid=22

I know your good at what you do and know your stuff, so question is

Weirs

Helping lake
Hurting lake

In what area are you talking about???

Lower Mermentau marshes have always been saltwater

West Of big lake from what i know of has always been saltwater

Sabine has always been saltwater

There is a huge difference in salty gulf water vs. brackish mostly fresh. Most of the marshes god created were not meant to be hit with gulf water. Man made them salt marshes. Do some research with a open mind and you will understand...over and out.

Classic comeback

False. Sabine was fresh as was calcasieu and mermentau. Anthropogenic modifications caused saltwater intrusion. To put your last question in terms you will understand: Weirs good, keep lake happy.

Hey, maybe we've been wrong all this time. "W" doesn't stand for "W"altrip, it stands for "W"eirs. You do like them dont you. I bet you wanna marry them. Make little "w"s and teach them how to "stop the fishies from swimming free".

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Show me were lower mermentau was never saltwater??

The river has always drained into the gulf...
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps06132b89.gif

Yeah always drained into the gulf. Just like calcasieu. And Sabine. There were natural bars at the mouths of the rivers that prevented saltwater from entering the system. Salinities were rarely if ever what they are today.

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Fixed it for you

The ship channel is not in its original state is the problem. This brings saltwater directly from the Gulf of Mexico into an area that is not supposed to be saltwater. The weirs were put in place to keep saltwater OUT (mitigatet) of the marshes. Saltwater not good for all freshwater or intermediate marsh. It kills the plants.
The fight RIGHT now is trying to restore the systems back to what they should be but saltwater fishermen are fighting this tooth and nail. Look at rodnreel.com. They would rather be able to drive a few miles to catch SEAtrout in their backyards,...ah nevermind. Its going to be a cluster and some of these projects may never be implemented because of a select few standing in the way:redface:

How did this go from a triple tail discussion to a pissing contest over fresh/saltwater marshes and the weirs?

They call him W

Back on subject, this is just a preliminary discussion, no changes will happen anytime soon, if ever. There is very very little known about tripletail and their biology/ecology except for a few studies in MS. We definitely want our guys (LDWF) working on this rather than the feds. If lstudies are performed and there is nothing that raises any alarms then nothing will happen. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to take care of our fisheries. Not long ago yellowfin tuna were weren't targeted that often whereas now they are a delicacy, redfish were not considered a gamefish, so limits had to be placed upon them to ensure their sustainability.

Trout populations were not being affected by a 25 per person limit but here we are.

Call your congressman.

Well- I told you this would come about. It may not happen next year or the year after. But limits are coming on triple tail. LDWF has not done any studies, but we all know- limits aren't set in this state by biological studies. YES the CCA will get it's way on this. I TARGET triple tail, last year 49, year before bout 70. This year so far 1, but as someone above posted, wait until the fall. Hopefully we'll get some. When they put the limit on them, hopefully it will be at least 10, I can live with that number. For now catch 'em while you can....

Exactly why I fish South Marsh Island and the Gulf .....everyone stays happy and there are no weirs out there......LMAO ! And we get to keep 25 ! Big Lake is nice but it always seems like there is some sort of problem or issue going on, or the Texans are invading, or 15 isn't enough fish, or someone is having a pissing contest. Be happy that you guys have such a great easily accessible fishery. Like Paul said.....call your congressman if you don't like whats going on. Make them earn their money for a change

Long live the tripletail !!!!

Lmao, he dont know a thing about fishing or limits just what the "office fisherman " tell him and our new LC commission member

I'd rather sweep leaves on a windy day. Call my congressman :rotfl::*****:.

I urge anyone here to actually go to the LDWF meeting. Its 100% public and you have a chance to voice your concerns and actually see how these processes work and at least you can hear it from the horses' mouth and not like 'W' and here from some crabber's brother in-law:rotfl:


Again, essentially ZERO is known about tripletail because studying marine fishes can be very expensive especially with migratory fish. I have no idea how migratory these fish are, neither does anyone else for that matter. LDWF are NOT the bad guys.

Soooo if we have zero on 3tail than why are we pushing a limit????



Can i get a ______ _________

I think we would all agree that as Louisianans we want our fisheries to be managed by science and not by politics. The lack of science is why this is even being brought up. If you want fisheries to be scientifically driven, there has to be science there. There is no science there, it is needed. The commission meeting will simply say there is not enough data on tripletail and that there exists a need for further studies. That is ALL that will happen. If you go to a meeting you can see how these things work. Not going to a meeting on a subject you are passionate about on and griping about it is like griping about a politician and not voting:)

There are hundreds of books, dissertations, theses, and pamphlets about speckled trout biology/ecology and probably tens of thousands on largemouth bass and we all have access to that info, but that doesn't exist for tripletail.

A good portion of people can probably tell you where and when trout spawn, how many times they spawn, etc., but who on here (without the use of Google) can name one thing about the spawning ecology/biology of a tripletail:confused: Where do they spawn? Louisiana coast? When do they spawn? Gulf? How long to reach sexual maturity? Two? Ten? How long do they live? If they reach sexual maturity at a relatively young age like trout then they can withstand high limits or none at all. If they take a long time to reach sexual maturity such as the red snapper (cough cough:work:)then there MAY be some steps that need to be taken just to ensure that we are not going to overharvest them. (Please don't kill this thread with red snapper talks:rotfl:)

Yeah, during certain times of the year you can catch tripletail in Big Lake and Pontchartrain around crab traps, you can catch em on weed lines in the gulf, and catch em around some rigs, but what else does anyone know about tripletail in Louisiana besides how to catch them during a few months out of the year?

I've done some accidental research while on my butterfly barge in the Mermantau river in Grand Chenier and caught this little guy in the net on an out going tide.

So who thinks its a baby triple tail and who ventures to say that they spawn inland? I been fishing up and down the Mermantau from the gulf to the catfish locks and never caught or seen a triple tail in the river.

Sooooo.......you agree with us, is what you're saying?

Looks like a triple tail to me !

Caught a few small ones in the cast net at Rockefeller recently.....