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mr crab 04-25-2014 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 684322)
Don't wear the Wal-Mart velcro kind if that's what you're worries about... The barb from a hard head goes straight through those suckers.

And you wrong Dub. Go drop $12 on some Pop Pop shoes at the Wal-Mart. Best $12 I ever spent. I got me a pair in every color baw!!!

Keen Newports...best fishing shoe for warm weaher.....Sebago Docksides for when its cold...trust me boys

MathGeek 04-25-2014 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 684322)
Don't wear the Wal-Mart velcro kind if that's what you're worries about... The barb from a hard head goes straight through those suckers.

And you wrong Dub. Go drop $12 on some Pop Pop shoes at the Wal-Mart. Best $12 I ever spent. I got me a pair in every color baw!!!

Yeah, the barbs on hardheads are pretty sharp. The children and I tend to wear name brand tennis shoes. The Adidas shoes my wife bought me for this spring and summer have thick hard soles.

We also have stopped bringing hardheads into the boat. We just use pliers to dehook them directly over the side to minimize handling. We use one hand to hold the line, grasp hook in pliers and shake loose. Fish that swallow the hook get cut off and get to keep the hook. Gafftops, blues, and channels are welcome to come aboard, but they are much easier to handle and it takes a much bigger handling error to yield great pain.

keakar 04-25-2014 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 684322)
Don't wear the Wal-Mart velcro kind if that's what you're worries about... The barb from a hard head goes straight through those suckers.

And you wrong Dub. Go drop $12 on some Pop Pop shoes at the Wal-Mart. Best $12 I ever spent. I got me a pair in every color baw!!!

anything you buy under $20 is going to start to fall apart as soon as it gets wet and the Velcro ones are the worst because those will come apart the first time they get wet inside.

get "real" leather shoes if you want comfy sneekers for fishing but they don't need to be fifty dollar ones just get the $35 ones and they last you.

Reefman 04-25-2014 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mr crab (Post 684324)
Keen Newports...best fishing shoe for warm weaher.....Sebago Docksides for when its cold...trust me boys

X1,000! Crocs will get you hurt....

Ratdog 04-26-2014 02:48 AM

Question?

Are star and CCA a bu,nch of shoe salesmen?

MathGeek 04-26-2014 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratdog (Post 684510)
Question?

Are star and CCA a bu,nch of shoe salesmen?

Snake oil.

Goooh 04-26-2014 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 684516)
Snake oil.


Snake oil and Croc salesman

Speckmeister 04-30-2014 08:33 AM

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Well...I think there's enough agreement that we need to know the biomass of speckled trout and the SPR indicator (although may not be the best statistic) for Big Lake. And I know that some of you are divided on supporting CCA and CCA's STAR.
And...I understand your opinions - and I pleasantly disagree.
There can be no doubt, that CCA is heavily funded and is the most popular of all coastal conservation groups.
As anglers, we're a house divided on some issues, but we can work harder to encourage CCA to assist us in first getting indicators on speckled trout populations in Calcasieu Lake. Once we have the data to see exactly where we are with regard to that, then data needs to be gathered to look at possible solutions to improving that population. Right now, LDWF hasn't released SPR and/or biomass indicators since 2011 due to litigation with BP. Therefore, I will say the following:

In my six decades on this Earth, I have had differences with God, my wife, my children, my parents, my Church, my government, my friends, and many of my politicians. I did not let those deter me from joining them and resolving problems together. I hope to see my friends at the LC CCA banquet Thursday night who have shared their expertise and time to enjoy and share fishing experiences that have given me great joy and excitement at this stage in my life. My sincere thanks to all of you!

KDM 04-30-2014 09:34 AM

I will see you there speckmeister!!!!!

biggun 04-30-2014 10:18 AM

Speck M

Well Said.. My sentiments exactly....

IF all the haters would Get off their Azz and Stop Bit_hin.. We MAYBE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING DONE..

Oysters, Channel, Weirs, Etc.. ALL ARE VALID CONCERNS.. BIT_H ing on SC doesn't accomplish anything...

MathGeek 04-30-2014 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Speckmeister (Post 685758)
In my six decades on this Earth, I have had differences with God, my wife, my children, my parents, my Church, my government, my friends, and many of my politicians. I did not let those deter me from joining them and resolving problems together.

I firmly believe in resolving problems together.

But when a group manipulates that into meaning giving them money first as a prerequisite to working together, has a track record of not listening once the check is written, and has a track record of bringing bags of $$$$$$ back to Texas to support restoration projects there, I begin to think the group should show some better evidence of being willing to "work together" in ways more meaningful than using contributions to lobby in favor of bad policies.

In the present case "working together" needs to mean CCA proving a commitment to scientific fisheries management before we give them any more money.

Giving them more money now will only reinforce their bad behavior and subvert any hopes we may have of working together.

Duck Butter 04-30-2014 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 684320)
Link to 2000 USGS study please

pretty please MG, can I have a link to this study?

Duck Butter 04-30-2014 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 684183)
Black drum were sampled in 2011, 2012, and 2013, but numbers were only sufficient for length class analysis in 2013.

In 2011, the mean condition factor for black drum in Calcasieu Lake was 0.934 +/- 0.017. This means that the black drum only had enough forage to maintain 93.4% of the weight as the long term Louisiana average for a given length, season, and species. For comparison, the condition factor determined by the USGS in 2000 (before the oyster reefs were destroyed) was 1.03 +/- 0.02. In 2012, the mean condition factor for black drum dropped markedly to 0.842 +/- 0.012. In 2013, the mean condition factor of all lengths was 0.889 +/- 0.012.

The length class analysis shown in the graph shows that the longest length classes are struggling to find enough food to maintain body condition. These are the fish most heavily dependent on oyster reefs, suggesting that oyster reef destruction (by dredging) is a significant factor in the observed declines in fish condition.

I need the link please, I have seen in the past where you were measuring fish at boat ramps and not specifying male or female or taking into account seasonality (just measuring length and weight). Most USGS studies I have seen take into account all of this and include age as well (by otoliths). Without specifying males vs females, time of year, and age, I don't think your comparisons can be valid, may be a little misleading is all:)

"W" 04-30-2014 10:46 AM

I spoke with David C (head of CCA)over an hour yesterday on the phone.

I told him my views, rants, problems and what is not getting done!

Hopefully they make some moves but we shall see

cgoods17 04-30-2014 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 685790)
I spoke with David C (head of CCA)over an hour yesterday on the phone.

I told him my views, rants, problems and what is not getting done!

Hopefully they make some moves but we shall see



well what was his response to your comments?

And why doesn't everybody who is against what the CCA is doing and has done and go to the banquet tomorrow night and start asking everybody there questions and make it a point to notify everybody else the concerns about the lake.?? wouldnt that be better than complaining for months about it on the internet?

3FLa 04-30-2014 11:20 AM

Biggun
 
I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

"W" 04-30-2014 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3FLa (Post 685802)
I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.


Can guides fish?? And where can we sign up

Duck Butter 04-30-2014 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3FLa (Post 685802)
I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

but get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.



The private vs public waterways dispute? fo real? We have millions of acres in Louisiana to fish, no need fishing on top of someone elses' private property. Yes, its private property. That was once land that is now water but the bottom is still owned by the original landowner. Navigable water does not = you have a right to fish/hunt there. This has already been decided by a judge. Its illegal, the landowner has every right to keep people off his property (yes you can own water in Louisiana) Do you really think you have a right to go and fish in someone's backyard if their home floods? Its navigable. Do you think that when the MS River floods you should be able to go and duck hunt in the flooded timber on someone else's property?

this may need a thread on its own, even though its been beat to death


Keep up the good fight with the other issues though, this one shouldn't be on the list though

biggun 04-30-2014 12:06 PM

3 Fla..

In every post I've asked a SIMPLE QUESTION???WHAT LITTLE GROUP DO U REPRESENT??? 275 K of PERSONAL Money?????

All U do is Hate on CCA.. Which Is fine.. That's is your right... Where are the Facts to BACK UP WHAT U SAY??? NO WHERE ON THIS SITE..

I'm saying Call for and organize a meeting with the Lake Chuck area elected officials.. Channel officials, Weir officials. CCA Officials, and Concerned SC Members as well as Guides..

Discuss the Concerns.. Work Together to DEVELOP Solution's...

MathGeek 04-30-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cgoods17 (Post 685799)
well what was his response to your comments?

And why doesn't everybody who is against what the CCA is doing and has done and go to the banquet tomorrow night and start asking everybody there questions and make it a point to notify everybody else the concerns about the lake.?? wouldnt that be better than complaining for months about it on the internet?

Why pay $60 a head to be ignored?

CCA has proven in the past to be insensitive to our concerns, to use member's money to lobby for more restrictive regulations, lobby for increased license fees, and fund expensive restoration projects in Texas.

Your logic is like passing a bill to see what's in it. CCA should prove their commitment to data driven conservation and proportional use of funds for projects in Louisiana before we give them more money.

BuckingFastard 04-30-2014 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggun (Post 685813)
3 Fla..

In every post I've asked a SIMPLE QUESTION???WHAT LITTLE GROUP DO U REPRESENT??? 275 K of PERSONAL Money?????

All U do is Hate on CCA.. Which Is fine.. That's is your right... Where are the Facts to BACK UP WHAT U SAY??? NO WHERE ON THIS SITE..

I'm saying Call for and organize a meeting with the Lake Chuck area elected officials.. Channel officials, Weir officials. CCA Officials, and Concerned SC Members as well as Guides..

Discuss the Concerns.. Work Together to DEVELOP Solution's...

work together? theyre currently working together to take more money out of my pocket.

marshrunner757 04-30-2014 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3FLa (Post 685802)
I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

With any luck, this is real.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk

marshrunner757 04-30-2014 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 685814)
Why pay $60 a head to be ignored?

CCA has proven in the past to be insensitive to our concerns, to use member's money to lobby for more restrictive regulations, lobby for increased license fees, and fund expensive restoration projects in Texas.

Your logic is like passing a bill to see what's in it. CCA should prove their commitment to data driven conservation and proportional use of funds for projects in Louisiana before we give them more money.

Couldn't agree more!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk

Top Dawg 04-30-2014 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3FLa (Post 685802)
I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

BOOM!!

Spunt Drag 04-30-2014 12:36 PM

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I'll join today 3FLA

Oh and I'm still waitin on my sticker

"W" 04-30-2014 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgoods17 (Post 685799)
well what was his response to your comments?

And why doesn't everybody who is against what the CCA is doing and has done and go to the banquet tomorrow night and start asking everybody there questions and make it a point to notify everybody else the concerns about the lake.?? wouldnt that be better than complaining for months about it on the internet?

Yes we ***** on here but don't think for one minute I don't voice my concerns to WL&F and CCA
I have many emails, letters and calls to everyone over the last 5 years

I will keep me and Davids conversation private but he knows what we want and we want actions two years ago fast!!

He also knows the value of us who are out here year around vs ones who are not.

I don't need to pay $60 to go to a banquet full of people who are there for one reason only Free Beer (only reason I ever went)

Now if they would let me speak I would be there in a heart beat but they don't want the public to know the real issues on hand

Speckmeister 04-30-2014 12:58 PM

"W"....I don't drink at these anymore.
But when I was your age, I must admit that I certainly did.
But I also made some good deals on fishing tackle etc., and I was also there to sit with friends.
Now in the old days there were speakers who were scientists, guides etc.

MathGeek 04-30-2014 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speckmeister (Post 685827)
"W"....I don't drink at these anymore.
But when I was your age, I must admit that I certainly did.
But I also made some good deals on fishing tackle etc., and I was also there to sit with friends.
Now in the old days there were speakers who were scientists, guides etc.

Those who want to sit with friends and trade gear should come to the Salty Cajun Tournament on 19 July at Calcasieu Point. Lots of good times, and the money is going to a great cause.

MathGeek 04-30-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 3FLa (Post 685802)
I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

Very interesting. Please keep is informed with regular announcements at Salty Cajun.

cgoods17 04-30-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 685814)
Why pay $60 a head to be ignored?

CCA has proven in the past to be insensitive to our concerns, to use member's money to lobby for more restrictive regulations, lobby for increased license fees, and fund expensive restoration projects in Texas.

Your logic is like passing a bill to see what's in it. CCA should prove their commitment to data driven conservation and proportional use of funds for projects in Louisiana before we give them more money.

you think if you make a big enough stink you will still get ignored?

cgoods17 04-30-2014 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 685825)
Yes we ***** on here but don't think for one minute I don't voice my concerns to WL&F and CCA
I have many emails, letters and calls to everyone over the last 5 years

I will keep me and Davids conversation private but he knows what we want and we want actions two years ago fast!!

He also knows the value of us who are out here year around vs ones who are not.

I don't need to pay $60 to go to a banquet full of people who are there for one reason only Free Beer (only reason I ever went)

Now if they would let me speak I would be there in a heart beat but they don't want the public to know the real issues on hand


well why dont you go grab the mic and start talking about issues on hand until someone kicks you out?

that will not only be great entertainment while i drink my beer, but also be very informative to the blind..

Nickt87 04-30-2014 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by biggun (Post 685783)
Speck M

Well Said.. My sentiments exactly....

IF all the haters would Get off their Azz and Stop Bit_hin.. We MAYBE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING DONE..

Oysters, Channel, Weirs, Etc.. ALL ARE VALID CONCERNS.. BIT_H ing on SC doesn't accomplish anything...

Paying money to join an organization that doesn't do "D"I""C"K" but frat around and shake hands and act like they know what's going on doesn't either.

MathGeek 04-30-2014 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cgoods17 (Post 685834)
you think if you make a big enough stink you will still get ignored?

No, at some point I'd be asked to leave or arrested for trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc.

But they's still have my $60 to use against Louisiana anglers and to restore oyster reefs in Texas.

Notice CCA has largely chosen to disengage on public forums where there is a level playing field and they cannot exercise editorial control over opposing views.

LA Sportsman and Salty Cajun have a much larger audience than will be in attendance at their $60 a head fund raiser. They want your money, not your views.

3FLa 04-30-2014 01:42 PM

A few answer
 
First, the Galaxy Tourney is real and has been in the works for over seven years. We have a ten year, five year, and three plan. Our three year business plans were alter greatly with BP Oil Spill.

Second, sorry, but I forgot to mention that guides will be allowed to fish. I also forgot to mention that if a tagged fish is caught while a "special needs" person is in your group, $5,000.00 will be added to your tagged value.

Third, for those who suggest we speak as one, please note that we are actually trying to obtain one voice and that is the very purpose of the Galaxy. We will do way with the CCA of Louisiana as it is now, because it has no respect from public officials in Washington and Baton Rouge. Thus, once we take away any incentive to fish the STAR, the CCA falls or in other words, it is eaten by a Galaxy. Then a new group can become a legitimate voice for ALL recreational fishermen. This group, whoever wishes to be invovld wil be invited, membership will be free and open, no executive sessions will be had, updates will be emailed on a daily basis, no private meetings will be conducted, any positions within the membership will be fully voted on by all members and not one salary will ever be paid to its members. Just image what a force that group could be in state and federal decisions effecting peoples recreational rights.

Finally, biggun. I have told you many times, I am not obligated to give you the names of anything, nor would I do so in that certain privileges would be violated. However, once the Galaxy is formed, everything will be open to public viewing in person, online or any other means available, and all prospective prize money will be placed in escrow for future payment of said prizes. Unlike CCA and its few fans, some people do not want to be recognized or named for what they do for the good of others. In fact, I had to go to great lengths just to be able to post what I posted earlier.

Duck Butter 04-30-2014 02:07 PM

Man I really applaud your actual doing something, but the Galaxy? kinda sounds like the STAR. How bout some originality? And why try and derail CCA and divide sportsmen, why not just do your own thing and leave CCA out of it, no need to knock them while you are trying to gain support. There is no need to base your entire organization on the bashing of another:) Good luck

keakar 04-30-2014 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 685814)
Why pay $60 a head to be ignored?

CCA has proven in the past to be insensitive to our concerns, to use member's money to lobby for more restrictive regulations, lobby for increased license fees, and fund expensive restoration projects in Texas.

Your logic is like passing a bill to see what's in it. CCA should prove their commitment to data driven conservation and proportional use of funds for projects in Louisiana before we give them more money.

1,000% agree

all these CCA boosters are flipping the same tired line "give us your money, then we can talk about your concerns" its all a con game and they run it very well because the average uninformed fisherman still thinks CCA is working FOR us instead of AGAINST us.

the word is getting out and that is why they have guys on the payroll who come to these forums to defend them with lies and false promises trying to keep people from learning the true facts about what the CCA is really doing.

CCA has its place in doing the things they are willing to do like reef building and planting grass but they need to just stop with all the lies about being on the side of fishermen because history has shown that is NOT the case.

if you want reefs built and further unwarranted restrictions on your ability to catch fish then support CCA, if not then actively work to convince anyone who isn't aware of it, just how harmful to fishermens rights continuing to support CCA can be.

so here it is CCA and its supporters, stop telling us you are on the side of fishermen while you are actively stripping away our rights without any science based reason to do so.

no one believes the fat man eating a box of doughnuts while he is telling you that he is on a diet and likewise no one believes your just as obvious lies CCA

BassYakR 04-30-2014 02:19 PM

IMO the organization needs to cease to exist and another take its place. The name Galaxy ehhh maybe not but thus far I like what this guy has to say. But ill wait till I see some action. Sounds very promising tho.

keakar 04-30-2014 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 685841)
Man I really applaud your actual doing something, but the Galaxy? kinda sounds like the STAR. How bout some originality? And why try and derail CCA and divide sportsmen, why not just do your own thing and leave CCA out of it, no need to knock them while you are trying to gain support. There is no need to base your entire organization on the bashing of another:) Good luck

that's the whole point

and as to why attack CCA, he already answered that in his previous post

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3FLa (Post 685802)

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.


Duck Butter 04-30-2014 02:58 PM

I foresee Galaxy vs STAR commercial, should try and get George Lucas to direct it and find some hairy dude to pose as Chewbacca:rotfl:

noodle creek 04-30-2014 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgoods17 (Post 685835)
well why dont you go grab the mic and start talking about issues on hand until someone kicks you out?

that will not only be great entertainment while i drink my beer, but also be very informative to the blind..

I'm kinda w Cgoods here. I'm sure you would get kicked out though, but it might be worth your 60 bucks if you can inform 500 people on these issues.

Nickt87 04-30-2014 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 685866)
I'm kinda w Cgoods here. I'm sure you would get kicked out though, but it might be worth your 60 bucks if you can inform 500 people on these issues.


Stand out in the parking lot and pass out fliers with all the info on it. You know, kind of like a peaceful protest. I'll make sure I grab one from you and read it while I'm walking in with my free ticket and to drink my free beer. :grinpimp:

noodle creek 04-30-2014 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunt Drag (Post 685823)
I'll join today 3FLA

Oh and I'm still waitin on my sticker

I'm with 3FLA too.

Oh and lmao, I'm sure Raymond has been ordered by his CCA higher authorities to quit posting on this site. Now that people want stickers, we haven't heard from him, not even on a dog training thread.

"W" 04-30-2014 03:27 PM

Raymond like to hang with high society people, he enjoys what our Lake has to offer but no balls to stand up and defend it and make things happen... but sit tight

MathGeek 04-30-2014 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 685868)
Stand out in the parking lot and pass out fliers with all the info on it. You know, kind of like a peaceful protest. I'll make sure I grab one from you and read it while I'm walking in with my free ticket and to drink my free beer. :grinpimp:

This kind of approach to spreading information may be effective. Too bad no one thought of it in time to have an informative flyer in place. Also, one would need to double check the legality in the parking lot of the venue. Finally, while an audience of 500 would make the effort of writing, publishing, and distributing worthwhile, an audience of 100-200 would probably not. Anyone got reliable attendance numbers on this? It should definitely be considered for the next rodeo.

noodle creek 04-30-2014 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speckmeister (Post 685827)
"W"....I don't drink at these anymore.
But when I was your age, I must admit that I certainly did.
But I also made some good deals on fishing tackle etc., and I was also there to sit with friends.
Now in the old days there were speakers who were scientists, guides etc.



I think that they should still do this. Let a few biologists, guides, crabbers speak. They should also talk about their agenda, what is on it, and where the money is being spent.

"W" 04-30-2014 03:30 PM

Raymond last activity was 4-11-14 he has logged out!!

But he does post on 2cool all the time

noodle creek 04-30-2014 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 685875)
This kind of approach to spreading information may be effective. Too bad no one thought of it in time to have an informative flyer in place. Also, one would need to double check the legality in the parking lot of the venue. Finally, while an audience of 500 would make the effort of writing, publishing, and distributing worthwhile, an audience of 100-200 would probably not. Anyone got reliable attendance numbers on this? It should definitely be considered for the next rodeo.

I believe there is closer to 500 than 100-200. Maybe even more than 500.

Duck Butter 04-30-2014 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 685873)
Raymond like to hang with high society people, he enjoys what our Lake has to offer but no balls to stand up and defend it and make things happen... but sit tight

never met the dude in my life, but I know he stands up and makes things happen as he is an active volunteer with CCA, thats what making things happen means (volunteering your time towards something you believe in, in this case its conservation). He also took the high road and chose to not continue, probably eating away at him not to respond to the attacks by posters on a message board

Feesherman 04-30-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 685808)
The private vs public waterways dispute? fo real? We have millions of acres in Louisiana to fish, no need fishing on top of someone elses' private property. Yes, its private property. That was once land that is now water but the bottom is still owned by the original landowner. Navigable water does not = you have a right to fish/hunt there. This has already been decided by a judge. Its illegal, the landowner has every right to keep people off his property (yes you can own water in Louisiana) Do you really think you have a right to go and fish in someone's backyard if their home floods? Its navigable. Do you think that when the MS River floods you should be able to go and duck hunt in the flooded timber on someone else's property?

this may need a thread on its own, even though its been beat to death


Keep up the good fight with the other issues though, this one shouldn't be on the list though

Well ur full of $heet!! There are many waterways that were never once land. And if ur gonna ban the public from it, then u best find a way to also keep the publics resource out of it as well!!!

Feesherman 04-30-2014 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 685881)
never met the dude in my life, but I know he stands up and makes things happen as he is an active volunteer with CCA, thats what making things happen means (volunteering your time towards something you believe in, in this case its conservation). He also took the high road and chose to not continue, probably eating away at him not to respond to the attacks by posters on a message board

If restricting recreational fisherman's rights without one shred of scientific data is what you mean by making things happen then I wish he would just stop making "things" happen


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