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I think that would really hurt the guides... Not sure i would support doing away with it... I wouldnt mind an increase Sent from my fruity phone |
I'm just saying .If we are going to increase license cost lets start at the cheapest ones?
Let anyone who wants to fish here buy a 1 day or 3 day license or a yearly non resident if they fish here enough. |
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Are wade fishing licenses going up as well, or are they exempt?
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I have a NR Tx. all-water license too....they are going to reciprocate on us. |
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Raising the non-resident saltwater license by 136% would make it jump from $30 to $70 or $71, which is very reasonable considering: 1. Louisiana has much better fishing and much more liberal limits than Texas. 2. Louisiana allows Texans to operate their boats in Louisiana waters without any additional registrations or fees beyond registering the boat in Texas. 3. Louisiana allows Texans to drive on Louisiana roads without registering vehicles in Louisiana, obtaining Louisiana drivers licenses, obtaining Louisiana inspection stickers, or paying any additional fees that Louisiana residents must pay to get themselves and their boats to and from the water. 4. Unless they happen to work in Louisiana, Texans do not pay most Louisiana taxes and thus (other than their fishing license fees), contributions to state wildlife management, conservation, and enforcement efforts are minimal. My wife and I have paid the non-resident license fees from 2000-2013 to enjoy Louisiana's awesome fishing, and I did not complain about it for one minute. |
I'm not complaining....actually said I'd gladly pay more....but it costs me $90 to fish saltwater in LA. not $30. Also points 2-4 are true of any state? Whats your point? As far as LA having better fishing than TX......You are spot on there....Fishing is terrible here. Don't waste your time, all Sabine, Galveston, Matagorda, Baffin, Laguna Madre trout have migrated through the passes to V-bay and B.L........#notxtroutanywhere
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You are only talking about the advantages for the Texas resident. Don't forget the advantages for the local economy like the money they spend at hotels, casinos, convenience stores, etc... And yes I know guys that live in Orange, Port Arthur, etc are just coming for the day and probably don't spend as much but it's not a totally one way street... you have to consider all sides.
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I've never seen or heard of a governmental entity in Louisiana charging a fee to access the water, though private ramps (like Hebert's and Spicer's) reasonably do charge a fee. A number of places in Florida do have access fees for public waters, with the fee scale depending on one's residency status. |
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My GUESS and prediction is that we are not unlike our neighboring states (Tx. and Fla.). I hope I am wrong but habitat loss and degradation (like the feverish oyster reef debate) - which are historical problems in every state will point to less trout numbers - again I hope I am wrong, and this is by no means a scientific opinion based on data. Since all the data in Louisiana - especially in Big Lake - points to speckled trout being an estuary-specific fishery - then we will have no choice but to expect lower limits - probably statewide. Of course, I expect vehement disagreement. The data is clear regarding Big Lake although someone here may argue there wasn't a large enough "n". There is not a significant number of trout that move into the lake from the Gulf (Tide-runner theory). That inference comes from the electronic tracking studies, previous tagging studies statewide, and research in other states. If one however can easily and quickly restore habitat and limit degradation - we may have a chance. But remember - - more and more development is expected in Big Lake with the more LNG and other industries. This is good for the area and us humans, but bad for the habitat and resource. Can't have it both ways. Unfortunately, I foresee the day (I'll probably be dead because I have some years on me) when we'll have "catch and release" practices like Florida and Texas. In the 500s BC, Heraclitus was the philosopher who said, "You can't step into the same river twice." In this case, substitute "inland saltwater lake." If anything at all is permanent on this earth - it is change. |
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By advocating the increase of saltwater license fees for LA residents by 136%, but giving non-residents a pass on fee increases, CCA (a TX dominated organization) is clearly shifting more of the burden to LA residents and protecting Texans from paying their fair share. Texans may be paying CCA lobbyists, but at least they can't vote in Louisiana. |
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We need to keep working hard in Louisiana to maintain far superior fisheries, and there is some real risk of eventually falling to FL or TX levels, but we are currently nowhere close by any available measure of habitat quality, quantity, or productivity. Quote:
It is well known that most species of fish show greater dispersal when stressed by inadequate food or greater variations in salinity. I expect a lot more specks enter the Sabine and Mermantau estuaries from Calcasieu in years when these estuaries have abundant forage and Calcasieu does not (and vice-versa). It is also well known that many species of fish make their longest migrations during tropical events. It is too bad that Callihan took his system off line and had no data during the passing of topical storm Edouard in 2008, though this storm probably would have moved more fish from Sabine to Calcasieu than from Calcasieu to Sabine. Quote:
Further, the oysters on the east side are slowly coming back, and the weirs are being effectively operated to protect the east side marsh. Further, the moving of Omega protein's menhaden operation out of Cameron should also increase the availability of pogies of all sizes to better feed the specks. The sky is not falling. The estuary is resilient. There is need for due diligence in protecting the oyster reefs, protecting the marsh, improving weir management, and stemming erosion to prevent the possibility of an ongoing decline following the past several years of management mistakes. But the sky is not falling. Specks are particularly versatile in their ability to spawn effectively in various habitats. I strongly recommend Bortone's book on the life history and biology for relevant details. We should note though that James Cowan, who has been a key player in buggering the red snapper stock assessments, is also playing a dominant role in spotted seatrout assessments. We need to pay careful details in how SPR numbers are determined from stock assessment data, as there is opportunity to tweak the assumptions and methods to obtain different SPR numbers from the same data. Just as methods were changed for snapper, methods could also be changed for spotted seatrout to make it look like SPR numbers have decreased between assessments, when in reality the appearance of declining SPR numbers is due to change in the methods. I am also uncomfortable with how Will Horst has inserted himself in most state-sponsored seatrout assessment. This is why we need all the data and detailed descriptions of the methods, to prevent the quality of the science in the stock assessments from declining down to red snapper levels. Quote:
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So youre saying you want to charge people from out of state more, and make them pay a launch fee when residents dont? who will collect this fee? Will the money generated from this fee be able to pay their salary? Lets discourage people from out of state from coming over, buying gas, eating at restaurants, buying fishing tackle, etc... |
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I was just making the point that higher (fishing and hunting) license fees make sense for out of staters because they do not pay Louisiana income taxes or property taxes, nor do they have to register their vehicles in Louisiana. My understanding on the E. Side, you will pay to launch at the private marinas (Rigolets, Bridgeside, Bobby Lynns, etc.), but that the boat ramps owned by the public (state, parish, or city) are all still free on the E side (Williams and Bonnabel on Lake P., Port Fourchon, Oakridge, etc.) just as they are free on the W side (Calc. Pt., Jetties, ICWW, etc.) Of course, with the cost of fuel, it just makes sense to go ahead and pay $5-$10 to pay to launch at a private ramp if it is much closer to your fishing areas. Here's a long list of ramps in Lafourche and Terrebonne. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think all the public launches are free, and there are a lot of them. I think you have to go a bit further east (Orleans, St. Tammany) before you really have trouble finding free (public) launches. http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20...NG03/901290951 |
mg...out-of-staters already do pay a much higher fee for hunting and fishing licenses than residents. its always been that way. and might I add that la resident fishing and hunting licenses are among the lowest in the nation
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I know non-residents pay more, because I've paid the $90 from 2000-2013 when I was not a resident. I deserved to pay more to share in the rich blessings of the kind, generous, and magnanimous people of Louisiana. |
tx non resident all water fishing license is $68/year.....La non-resident all water is $90/year............tx resident all water is $40.....la resident all water is $15....quit crying bruh...its $15....and La is already hitting out of staters harder than most states.
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LA is definitely the sportsmans paradise tho.....heading across the border at 3 today to slang some of them oh so tasty LA specks....SL4L
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mg....you need to go fishing too man. you been on fire lately with the oysters and cca and license fees. need to get your line tight and remember what all this is about
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So the LA NR license cost amounts to $6 per speck you can keep each day. The TX NR license cost amounts to $13 per speck you can keep each day. The LA NR license cost amounts to about $0.25 per bull redfish you can take home in an entire year. The TX NR license cost amounts to $68 per bull redfish you can take home each year. Supply and demand. Out of staters will pay to fish in Louisiana because the fishing is so good and the limits are so high. Far fewer non-residents are interesting in paying to fish in Texas. |
Don't keep bulls...not an issue....and I wonder what the real numbers on the non resident licenses sold per state are? I know a lot of snow birds winter around corpus? Either way...the original point I made is valid.....the non-resident licenses in LA are higher than TX, and the resident licenses in LA are cheaper than TX. For me personally, it really doesn't matter what either license costs because the license is by far the cheapest part of the game. I will not quit my passion over a license fee, PERIOD.
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Big Lake SPR was around 18-19 when the last SPR was released
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This guy is mad. |
Slickfish mad because he can't find another picture of someone's fish to post
Dude posted up some reds one time acting like he was beast mode fisherman Lmao |
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It's more than Big Lake and Venice. It's the whole coast from Sabine to the Rigolets. I'll draw your particular attention to the area around Port Fourchon and Grand Isle. There's a spot just SE of E Timbalier Island where my brother says, "75% of the fish I've caught in my life I've caught in this spot" and he's only fished it a handful of times. I prefer Belle Pass and Caminada Pass, because I like the big ones. I could live anywhere in the US, but I choose Louisiana, because the fishing is awesome, and Louisiana still loves liberty. |
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Supply and demand. Out of staters will pay to fish in Louisiana because the fishing is so good and the limits are so high. Far fewer non-residents are interesting in paying to fish in Texas. If you've been to all the places you say you have then you know that's not the truth. Just calling bs on bs that's all. |
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mg was right...in 2011 LA sold 125,000 non-resident fishing licenses, while TX only sold 114,000. While not a huge difference, I can honestly say I was surprised, and I stand corrected. A lot of good statistics in that report for anybody interested. |
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Where did you get the 18-19 SPR from? What years:confused: __________________ |
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Last SPR which was 2004 Big Lake was 18-19 from WLF just Big Lake |
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Give me a link bro:rotfl: |
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