Its July 9th at Prien Lake Park if I remember correctly. Look for the CCA E-Mail thread.

Thanks. Will do.

He gave it to you. Go back and look.

You've thrown up facts, but bottom line is, operation of the wiers is contracted out. Explain why they are open with water pouring into the marsh, and closed when it rains it's a** off. Whoever is operating them is not going by your facts as to when it should be opened and closed.

I don't want to see land lost, but I also don't want to see a huge estuary choked off of a major food source.

Come on man, do you believe everything the government tells you? This day and age, it's about money and politics. I know you are smart enough to understand that.

Operation of weirs right now is a joke. Bigger issue is rocking the ship channel.

Thanks for the link. There was a lot of good discussion and information posted in that thread. Also note that back in April, a number of folks thought there was something really wrong because their fish catches were down. Others suggested the fish might just be in an unusual pattern and not being caught because of the cooler spring and changed foraging habits.

Now that it's late June, "W" and other guides have been reporting catching limits of specks just about every day, and often by 9:00 AM. Those fish being caught in June were in or near the estuary back in April, they just were not being caught then because even the experienced Big Lake anglers did not know where they were.

Specks are an unpredictable fish and Big Lake is an unpredictable lake. A few months of bad fishing does not mean the sky is falling, it just means the fish are doing something unexpected.

Maybe you need to go read it AGAIN.

Post it up if you're so confident that he said it.

Show me where he posted a name. He didn't. He's bluffing again, like always. I just reread that entire thread. Not once did he say who was in control. He couldn't even give me the name of a public servant that he or his buddies talked to.

When did I say anything indicative of me "believing everything the government tells me"? I'm simply stating what I know from experience.

These guys managing those lands are just as much concerned with the marsh as a whole as they are with ducks. You don't plant smooth cordgrass for ducks. There's a lot better plants than smooth cord for ducks.

I don't know what goes on behind the scenes. Maybe someone is pulling the strings and having the weirs managed poorly, or at least not the way they are supposed to be. But I don't think its those landowners.

The thing that some people fail to realize is that leaving the weirs closed could be as bad for the marsh as opening the weirs when the lake salinity is high. It can reach salinities back there from evapotranspiration that are lethal to many plants. How is letting the salinity get out of control good for the marsh?

So opening those weirs periodically is just as important for the marsh as it is for the lake.

Why is it not being operates correctly? I don't know. I don't think anyone here does.

I posted his name on a thread , I will find who he is again don't worry .


Also tell me why they opened the weirs Mermoral weekend for 72 hrs when the lake salinity was high and marsh was high and 3-4 ft lower than the lake

The lake flowed into the marsh all of those days so why did they open it??







I will tell you why! they are getting heat over the way it's mismanaged and more and more are putting pressure on them about trying to manage the duck grass for duck hunters !!


I can't wait for them to straight aZZ lie to the public July. 9th

Also it should be a conflict of interest for the federal Goverment to allow someone who benefits off the marsh (duck hunters) to run it.

This will be my question at the meeting . How many guys who work on the contract to control weirs duck hunt or have a lease behind the weirs.

" names and leases are being worked on as we speak " if they lie to the public we will have 100% proof with names

This is also the same guy that says you can catch redfish using a car battery.

You can't? I thought everybody knew how to do that.

^^^ this is from the same guy who follows me around on an internet form and never has made one contributed post on here but has 200+ replays about me

Lmao

Duck ... Quack Quack Quack all I do us make you quack

Man i'm not going back to look, but 100%, no doubt, he posted the guys name about 2 months ago in a thread out there somewhere.

Again, no one is saying that weirs run properly is a bad thing, we're just saying that they are not being managed correctly right now.

Guys I am not going to debate rather the weirs are for ducks or not but I will tell you all this salt does not evaporate the fresh water mixes with the salt to increase or decrease. If you do not believe me look up how salt mixes for salt water aquariums is made. They bring water into a basin controlled by weirs let it dry out and collect the salt. I say all that to say with the weirs closed the water back there is only going to concentrate the salinity cause it us evaporating and salinity increases. So while the rain is coming it has to break the concentration by filling the marsh then diluting so it's never gonna catch up. Now in saying that allowing the level to stay higher with the weirs open while with no rain it will stay higher salinity but when it rains it gas less concentration to dilute. Show me where keeping them closed has lowered salinity it doesn't it raises it. Guys we can look at a graph and say 2 plus 2 close the wiers but when the end result is 6 we must evaluate the solution and come up with another plan. The equation is mire like 2 + x = 4 solve for x we must stop thinking one solution. My personal opinion is use the weirs keep the levels close to equal yes there will be elevated salinity but when we do get rain it will drop easier. We need to think beyond just what we are told and for yes to fight against a organized beast like this establishment we must come together and be open to each other's suggestions. I guarantee if we go up to this meeting bickering with each other they will say to themselves we have them right were we want them. I am 34 years old have evolved in business to the top of the food chain in my business with board rooms of guys with years if experience over me and the way I did it was learning there is a bit if truth to everyone's opinions and if we put all those bits together we will find the real answer. Ok end of that let's come together guys.

I posted the thread that this "guy" was discussed in, and no, it was not posted. I asked him for the name, and he ignored me.

And I'm pretty sure the argument made by W for months has been the weirs should be left open all the time. So yes, the argument has been made that operating (or not operating) the weirs properly IS a good thing.

The primary purpose of the weirs is not, and never has been fisheries management.

I'm almost 100% also that I posted his name on a thread , I can't remember what it was but I posted it somewhere


smells worked as an intern for one year and now is a marsh expert on duck grass

But yet lots of people who spent there whole life in these areas are all wrong and don't know nothing according to smalls vertict

There have been multiple threads about it, it may not be in that one. I know I'm not dreaming.

It is kind of beside the point anyway. Do you really think that W doesn't know who is in control of weirs? Is it impossible to you that maybe, just maybe, the person controlling the weirs IS a big duck hunter back there?

I'm over this argument, I never argued about your data and this and that. All I ever said is that they aren't being operated correctly as far as everyone can see. Also, protecting the land behind the weirs by keeping them shut is cutting off a huge part of our estuary's bait/food source. I understand the point of the weirs is to control land loss and not fisheries management, but it is hurting the lake. I guess it's one or the other, but not both.

Like I said, rock the ship channel and the weirs won't be such a big issue.

Find it and post it up.

Intern?!? Lmao. Don't kind yourself little man. I wasn't an intern by any means. You will stop at nothing to try and push your point.

You have NOTHING supporting your claims. The one thing you "have" is a name for some "guy" that operates the weirs, which you can't post and I have not found any evidence of on this forum, and believe me, I've searched.

If you post that name up, that's all I'm asking, and it proves your point, I will he more than happy to join your "movement".

But the only other person that can argue anything scientifically on this ENTIRE FORUM, MathGeek, hasn't even said anything supporting your argument that it is being managed for ducks. Because, unlike you, MG doesn't base his opinions on pure speculation, but rather, scientific FACT.

No, it is not impossible for me to believe. But there is no proof supporting it, just speculation. I've searched, and there is no where on this forum that a name has been posted. So yes, I do believe that he doesn't know, because he won't post it.

You do understand the significance of that marsh to the estuary, right? Not trying to be smart, but a lake does not an estuary make. The lake, the marsh, everything makes the estuary. If the east side marsh is the lifeblood of the lake, then why would anyone not want to protect it?

I do agree that rocking the channel would save a lot of trouble. One layer of management is not enough for such a complex system.

Let's all have a cage match on July 9 to see who's right. Smalls, stop trying to bash W because he's not a scientist and doesn't have graphs and charts to back his statements. Not everyone can be an intern for one year and suddenly know everything about estuary conservation/management. If you'd wake up, you'd realize it's all about money, just like everything else in business and life. These big time duck Hunters are too dumb to realize that with evaporation rates keeping the weirs closed is only raising salinity levels. I'm looking forward to meeting and hearing what all you self-proclaimed conservationist purpose to solve this problem. I'll give you a hint of what it's going to take... $$$

Bashing? What are you lookin at dude? I'm not bashing him. I'M FLAT OUT CALLING HIM OUT!!

What qualifies you to know anything about this subject? You just seem to quote W, because if you read anything you'd know the intern crack is completely false.

What are you calling me out for ??? I gave the guys name on one of these countless threads ... I'm not going to look it up but I promise you it's on one of them

So NO your not calling me out ! I gave you the name you wanted already and yes you were an intern

Dude, no you didn't! I've looked through every thread on the CCA, Weirs, trout limits, oysters, Bill Clinton, Obama, the easter bunny, black panther and big foot.......

.....AND there is no name!

What, you already forgot what his name is?

And I wasn't an intern. If you're so convinced I was an intern, then where did I intern at? Hmmmmm?

It's okay if you were an intern, everyone has to start somewhere. Just embrace the fact that you woke up one day and decided you were an expert biologist/scientist/conservationist/ douche nozzle. How many days a week do you spend on the lake? I guarantee I've fished more this month than you've fished all year. Being on the water and seeing what's actually happening out there is the only way you can see the real effects of our struggling estuary. Sitting behind your computer and reading threads makes you far from an expert... Oh and who cares what his name is?? He's a duck hunter behind the weirs... I'll bet 1,000.00 on that one.

Interns sure do learn a lot in a years time these days.

Chuck Perrodin


smalls here is your guy ^^^^^

How come the weirs that spill into Sabine refuge from west cove are never closed? Oh wait, that's where the common folk duck hunt!

Like I said it was already posted !!!

Now say your sorry Mr "W"
I'm just a intern and don't know ****

Hell his name is on the weir hotline # 1-855-532-9955

Boom Shaka Laka

We'll I don't call the Hot line so I did not know that, but I know he has a duck blind behind the weirs :smokin:

Chuck perrodin lives in BR, so that answers a lot...dude is running our estuary and doesn't even live here. Makes lots of sense to me.

Intern this, intern that. Interns worked for me. There's one on this board that could verify that.

Now, back on point.

Someone has pointed me to the thread where W did post the name. So W, I was wrong on that subject. My bad.

Now, if you would have just said he worked for CPRA, we could have avoided a lot of this. I thought we were talking about who has the contract to actually open and close the weirs like USFWS used to do. Like the Mio commercials, "This Changes EVERYTHING."

If there is one state agency I don't like, its CPRA. Very shady bunch in my opinion. I've said it before, but their "Master Plan" is a crock if you ask me. they gave the southwest part of the state the finger with that thing.

So, now your accusations are starting to make sense. I won't say I'm completely turned, but that's definitely a starting point.

Havent called it in a while but when you posted his name, it rang a bell so I called it and yep his name is on the recording with a number to contact him

Given that he is the Public Information Coordinator, I seriously doubt he is running it. May have some pull with who is though.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...Huz8MKuurVZPnQ

Here is a good read on the management of the Cameron-Creole.

Unless things have changed, this shows that the Laffy CPRA Field Office is calling the shots, not Chuck. This makes more sense than a PR guy calling the shots.

Waltrip, you may want to look into the Magnuson-Stevens Act. May give some strength to your fisheries argument.

:work::work:

I couldn't get it to copy here, but put these three on the same plot, very interesting.
Mr Smalls, do you have any other monitoring sites that you could share?

USGS 08017095 North Calcasieu Lake near Hackberry, LA
USGS 08017118 Calcasieu River at Cameron, LA
USGS 295231093100100 CRMS2418-H01-RT

There's quite a few CRMS sites within the Cameron-Creole.

Just Google CRMS, or Coastwide Reference Monitoring System, and go to the map.

I wish the LDWF left some of their stations set up that were right outside the weirs. I can't find any data on those, probably not set up anymore. I need to dig around on DEQs website again. I think they may have some stations elsewhere in the Lake. I used to have some data from those when I was working on my thesis.

Just to note the CRMS sites usually are not real time. Most of the data has to be manually retrieved then uploaded to the net.

http://lacoast.gov/crms_viewer2/Default.aspx

True, but some of them are realtime. The one I posted earlier in this thread is realtime.

Cool, even if it's not realtime, it's interesting data.

how is this possible with the weirs being closed? :spineyes:

dubya enlighten us bruh

It is important to realize that the weirs being opened or closed only provides a focal point for locating fish in the short term, it does not magically make fish appear in the lake. In the long term, opening the weirs provides more forage to the fish in the estuary, but it is an open question whether opening the weirs 365 days a year would increase the available food supply by 1%, 5%, 10%, 50%, or 100%.

A few points of science may help people understand why how many fish they catch may not always be closely related to the health of the estuary. Back in April and May, there were lots of complaints and concerns that the sky might be falling because trout fishing was slow and the weirs had not been opened as often as some had desired. But there being few fish in the lake is only one of several possible explanations for low catch rates. More likely explanations (in light of available data) are that the fish had shifted patterns in pursuit of available forage and that the fish were not eager to bite what anglers were throwing at them.

Most anglers develop their fishing habits for specks aimed at specks chasing shrimp, mullet, and croaker and also aimed at the propensity for larger specks to seek oyster reef habitat in the spring. However, the cool spring and destruction of oyster reefs made the specks less predictable this year. Shrimp numbers were down (cool weather and closed weirs), and manhaden numbers were up (pogey plant closing). Cooler water temperatures and higher salinities also lowered speck metabolic rates so they did not need to feed as agressively to maintain body condition.

When we sampled fish condition in late May, the specks were in great shape, with an average of 106% of a healthy body condition. The fish were eating well compared with their metabolic demands. But we weren't seeing many anglers returning to the boat ramp with limits of fish. Limits of fish became more regular after the waters warmed up in June, because the increased metabolic demands of warmer water caused the fish to feed more aggressively. Some localized fish kills on bait may also have reduced the availability of age zero menhaden.

There is a strong theoretical basis to believe that the number of days the weirs are open will have a significant impact on the condition of fish in the estuary, and in the long term, increasing exchange between the marsh and the lake are important and should have measurable effects. So far, we have four years of data. We can see the expected effects of temperature, salinity, oyster stocks, and interspecies competition in the available data, but the effects of the weirs are either too small to see or masked by confounding factors. This may be cleared up by additional years of data or access to LDWF data or by access to improved data regarding historical openings and closings of each water control structure. But for now, it is hard not to think that most angler complaints about the weirs being open or closed result from confirmation bias and the tendency of open weirs concentrating the fish in a predictable location so that they are easier to catch.

Even a saltwater barrier or rocking the ship channel to maintain lower salinities in the lake will not produce the ideal trout fishery that is hoped for. Maintaining salinities below 10-15 ppt in the lower lake for most of the year would allow the weirs to be open for 150-200 days per year, but the lower salinities would also exert a high osmoregulation cost on specks which prefer salinities in the 25-35 ppt range. The specks in that scenario would face the trade-off between a higher metabolic burden to enter the lake and take advantage of the available forage from the open weirs and to remain in the ship channel and gulf which has a much lower metabolic burden. Salinities below 10-15 ppt would favor redfish, black drum, and gafftops in the lake, because these fish are better adapted to mid range salinities and would have a lower metabolic burden in the lake. Salinity levels below 10 ppt would be great for keeping the weirs open, but at these levels, the health of the oyster reefs would also begin to be negatively impacted.

just read all this again. where have we gone as a group? i just listened to the recording on the hotline. it says that the gates are open for a brief time to allow migrating estuary species into the marsh. well what the heck? do they think they know the exact day these species arrive to make their trip into the marshes? no, and do they think the shrimp and fish just sit there and wait for them to conveniently open there breeding grounds to them... no! they are creatures of habit and work off instincts, not off reasoning. crazy!

we all know this is completely redundant to argue with the guys that benefit in any way from keeping them closed. it is not them that we need to be consulting with and wasting our breath arguing with. yea they have data.... their own data.

I am not sure what is driving the opening right now, but yeah, I'm pretty sure they have a good idea of when certain species are migrating based on given conditions. That comes from years and years of research. What is causing it now? I don't know. Its not a full or new moon. Maybe tides?

yea its all jacked up. no clue, i dont do the research, just see the repercussions of the actions taken.

we also just had what is called a supermoon.... one of three this year

May be the lunar cycle that has it opened.