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T-TOP 08-12-2014 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bart Bridges (Post 713370)
This is the coming future of Game & Fish regulations. Instead of using sound facts, leave it up to Social Media to decide!
Of course you are going to get more comments for change when you ask the question. Folks who are not fixiated on "CHANGE" just want it left alone and do no feel the need to comment.
So next year, let's remember to get a movement going to move it back up a week!

Also, you would think LDWF would give some consideration to the hunting clubs who have already booked hunts, people who have made vacation plans for work, etc, etc.

Exactly. But with the appointment of the new commission member there may be a push for more science as far as waterfowl goes.

Dogface 08-12-2014 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MarshRat89 (Post 713625)
Everybody as in everybody that was for the change. Mr. Larry had to listen to more than 213 complaints there's no doubt. You are a strong believer that the birds are here and just stack up away from the pressure. You made that point in the past.

My feelings about it have gone back and forth. I am in favor of the change, but not for the same reasons as most people. "Most" guys who are upset about the change are from the west side of the state.

My numbers here in the central show better harvest rates in the second split. I agree the majority of birds do find a way to survive and raft up on the bay along with the refuges just to the west of us. However when we have strong fronts pushing fresh birds we get good shoots in before they do that.

I spend more days out on the marsh and fields than then the average hunter. We find ways to kill birds just like they find ways to survive. The average hunter can't adapt to late season tactics. They hunt the sane old decoys half sunk and the same old half brushed blinds.

If people knew how to adapt to late season birds I "think" Mr. Reynolds data would reflect better harvest rates later on. The west always had more birds than us early. I've heard both sides of the argument over and over. Most guys who wanted change are dumbarses and wanted it for the wrong reasons.

There's nothing we can do about it now. Let's see how it goes and take it from there.


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Agreed, nothing we can do now and I'm sure we will have good days and bad days like we always do. Like you, I hunt a lot (almost every day) and we move around a good bit. My gripe isn't with the dates it's with not using data just like the trout limits and snapper season.

MarshRat89 08-12-2014 04:03 PM
Coastal zone opening day..
 
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Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 713713)
Agreed, nothing we can do now and I'm sure we will have good days and bad days like we always do. Like you, I hunt a lot (almost every day) and we move around a good bit. My gripe isn't with the dates it's with not using data just like the trout limits and snapper season.

I simply don't trust the data. I think there are multiple factors that show higher harvest rates early. Uneducated birds and fresh brush on blinds just to name a couple. More people are eager to get out and hunt early. If I'm not mistaken the data you mention is taking from surveys on public land only.

I've sat in on a presentation by Mr. Reynolds last year where he explained his data and reasoning for setting the seasons early. No disrespect to him or the department but I don't think the harvest data is sound. I think there is more work to be done.

Also I don't think all 213 people who sent complaints are face painters. I've heard some valid arguments from guys that know what they are doing and have been doing it a long time. The more I think about it I really don't think 7 days will be that much of a difference.




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Lreynolds 08-12-2014 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MarshRat89 (Post 713733)
I simply don't trust the data. I think there are multiple factors that show higher harvest rates early. Uneducated birds and fresh brush on blinds just to name a couple. More people are eager to get out and hunt early. If I'm not mistaken the data you mention is taking from surveys on public land only.
Not true. The harvest data I have presented is from all over the state. HUNTERS are randomly selected to participate, not areas, so those data account for all kill on public and private land. It doesn't matter how birds are killed or whether people would kill more or less birds early or later if they did something different ..... it is simply a record of how many birds were killed when and where by selected hunters.

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Originally Posted by MarshRat89
No disrespect to him or the department but I don't think the harvest data is sound. I think there is more work to be done.
Please explain how they are un-sound? More importantly, tell us where there is more, better, more representative data from which decisions on season dates can be made at the zone scale.

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Originally Posted by MarshRat89
Also I don't think all 213 people who sent complaints are face painters. I've heard some valid arguments from guys that know what they are doing and have been doing it a long time. The more I think about it I really don't think 7 days will be that much of a difference.
I agree on both points. I read and responded to every single e-mail and phone call. Most of the respondents were experienced duck hunters, many of them reported decades of hunting this club or that, and some of them provided their own harvest records from the last few years as justification for their season-date choice.

I expected to see clear separation of rice-field vs marsh hunters in SW LA, but it wasn't clear at all. I expected to see clear separation between SE vs SW marsh hunters, but that wasn't clear either. I was surprised to see the number of respondents from Hackberry, Grand Chenier, Holly Beach, Sabine NWR, and Creole wanting a later season in the Coastal Zone. From those favoring the proposed dates, as many came from SE LA as SW LA.

dmtfish 08-12-2014 06:52 PM
now that they announced opening dates, time to take vaca for opener!!

Bluechip 01-14-2015 02:44 PM
What is everyone's thoughts on having the dates moved back a week now that the end of the season is just a few days away.

With the type of season we had, I'm glad to know I have an extra week to bang them out just wondering what other hunters were thinking and if anyone has changed their minds on the decision since the beginning of the season.

CAMP CANARD 01-14-2015 05:14 PM
Has the season opened yet ?

meaux fishing 01-14-2015 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CAMP CANARD (Post 736396)
Has the season opened yet ?
Judging by the amount of ducks at my lease, i'd say no

AubreyLaHaye458 01-14-2015 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluechip (Post 736375)
What is everyone's thoughts on having the dates moved back a week now that the end of the season is just a few days away.

With the type of season we had, I'm glad to know I have an extra week to bang them out just wondering what other hunters were thinking and if anyone has changed their minds on the decision since the beginning of the season.

My worst season on record personally. Can't blame the season change for it though.


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AubreyLaHaye458 01-14-2015 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 736400)
Judging by the amount of ducks at my lease, i'd say no

I vote we push the season back to march and April.


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meaux fishing 01-14-2015 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AubreyLaHaye458 (Post 736403)
I vote we push the season back to march and April.


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#thirdsplit

B-Stealth 01-14-2015 06:17 PM
3rd Split
 
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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 736406)
#thirdsplit
Even better than the middle split, birds have great color.

cajunforeman 01-14-2015 09:05 PM
As of now we are 47 birds short of our average. I don't think we will get there by the end of the year but you never know. The past 2 two weeks have dropped down dramactically. It sure was fun the first 3 weeks!!

Dogface 01-19-2015 06:31 PM
We had a great 1st split but the past 2 weeks have been terrible. Never seen it this bad in our area of pecan is. I think this shows that Mr Reynolds was right about the hunting in the marsh being better early in the year.

BGcoreg 01-19-2015 10:19 PM
Who wishes they had that extra week in nov and not jan?
Maybe it'll get back to the original dates next season

Top Dawg 01-19-2015 10:24 PM
First split in the marsh was fantastic as always. Second split has really fell off in the marsh. Still killing solid numbers in rice. Speck season has been special.

Dogface 01-21-2015 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BGcoreg (Post 737099)
Who wishes they had that extra week in nov and not jan?
Maybe it'll get back to the original dates next season
Yep, I would like to see more days in the first split and not as many in the second. I know every year is different but the 1st split is usually better in the marsh so why not have more days in the 1st split in the coastal zone???

BGcoreg 01-21-2015 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 737391)
Yep, I would like to see more days in the first split and not as many in the second. I know every year is different but the 1st split is usually better in the marsh so why not have more days in the 1st split in the coastal zone???

Couldn't have said it better. I know lots of folks say , " but Jan is when it gets real cold and that's when the ducks come" ...bull honky ,were loaded in nov , never fails.
Dogface did you happen to put your input in about setting season dates when it was up in the air? Sept or August whenever that was .

Dogface 01-21-2015 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BGcoreg (Post 737407)
Couldn't have said it better. I know lots of folks say , " but Jan is when it gets real cold and that's when the ducks come" ...bull honky ,were loaded in nov , never fails.
Dogface did you happen to put your input in about setting season dates when it was up in the air? Sept or August whenever that was .
Yes I did. I asked for an additional week in the first split but apparently most folks wanted the season to run later in Jan. I hope everyone will contact Mr. Larry Reynolds and ask for a earlier opener with a additional week in the first split.

BGcoreg 01-21-2015 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 737437)
Yes I did. I asked for an additional week in the first split but apparently most folks wanted the season to run later in Jan. I hope everyone will contact mr Larry Reynolds and ask for a earlier opener with a additional week in the first split.

Same here!

cgoods17 01-21-2015 05:47 PM
what about the lack of weather that we have had for the second split?

Dogface 01-21-2015 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cgoods17 (Post 737451)
what about the lack of weather that we have had for the second split?
I hear ya but statistics show that on the average we kill more ducks in the marsh during the first split and that's why I would like to see an additional week. Of course there are exceptions to every rule but I have been hunting over 50 years and the marsh is usually better the first split. I also have a timber lease and its better late in the year but we are talking about the coastal zone with regards to the first split being better.

B-Stealth 01-21-2015 10:39 PM
1st Split 2nd Split Banana Split
 
We have birds in S la from late Oct until March.


IMO----Unless your on your A game, late in the second split your success will diminish compared to the 1st split because the birds have been shot and called at for 45+ days.

I'm happy with the season dates.

Sightwindow 01-23-2015 08:46 AM
http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.s...clines_on.html
SE La has been pretty lousy last split.

tucan 01-24-2015 10:16 PM
Just remember
 
express your opinion when it counts, marsh is best early not late, marsh usually empty late food gone, when Reynolds ask next year, let him hear you then:pissed:

Dogface 01-25-2015 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by tucan (Post 737885)
express your opinion when it counts, marsh is best early not late, marsh usually empty late food gone, when Reynolds ask next year, let him hear you then:pissed:
Agree 100%

ckinchen 01-25-2015 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 737902)
Agree 100%
We need to remember to start a thread around the time he is seeking input next year.

Dogface 01-25-2015 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 737925)
We need to remember to start a thread around the time he is seeking input next year.
Yes!!! Lets try to remind each other.


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