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Smalls 11-05-2015 11:42 AM

Watching the commission meeting right now. A lot of comments regarding the season dates being too early.

A lot of people that don't like SELA being in the East Zone as well. They want the second saturday opener, not the east zone opener.

And by "a lot", I mean of those that commented. 360 total comments.

Duck Butter 11-05-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BGcoreg (Post 775290)
Another good read is on the refuge forum, under Louisiana flyway. Larry actually posts in that forum along with some other knowledgable guys. Take a look. I believe Rick hall started the thread called " here we go again"

Had to leave that site. TheDuckSlayer is aweful

Smalls 11-05-2015 12:41 PM

Rice farms are going in the east zone, SELA stays in Coastal Zone. Yakupzack only one opposed, on the grounds that he felt the commission should wait to make the decision in April, which would have left the current zones in place in 2016, making the decision for 2017-2020.

capt coonassty 11-05-2015 12:51 PM

Is it over? I just logged into to listen and hear nothing but it say's its still ongoing.

Edit: Never mind, came back on.

Smalls 11-05-2015 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 778067)
Is it over? I just logged into to listen and hear nothing but it say's its still ongoing.

Edit: Never mind, came back on.

Yeah, they had taken a short break. I went to lunch at that point, so I don't know what they decided on with that last item related to funding towards the breeding grounds.

I think Yak's thoughts were in the right place. He felt like there were very hasty decisions being made by everyone involved, and that hunter's opinions may have changed if the season were allowed to run its course and a decision made in April. It seems the only change of heart would have come from rice hunters, but based on what Larry said, it wasn't the rice hunters who were calling for the change in the zones. It was the rice farmers.

I think most people are going to get what the wanted. The only question is if the early season in the coastal becomes the norm rather than the exception. That was something else that Yak pressed--that the commission needs to make a concerted effort to set the season on the Second Saturday in November. Some years it would be earlier, some it would be later, but it would be consistent. Some may not like it one year, but it would come around the next year.

That is the first time I've actually heard Larry speak. I can't imagine waterfowl in Louisiana being in better hands than they are right now. Hearing him talk about how he does not work for the rice farmers, he works for hunters....I don't think you can ask anymore than that. He may not always make decisions that are popular with everyone, but he is trying to do what is best. I like that.

capt coonassty 11-05-2015 01:34 PM

100% going to DU.

As someone who goes to many public meetings for work, these are pretty bad. This was the first one I've listened to.

AubreyLaHaye458 11-05-2015 01:35 PM

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Smalls 11-05-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 778069)
100% going to DU.

As someone who goes to many public meetings for work, these are pretty bad. This was the first one I've listened to.

Haha, yeah, I felt like it was a bit disorganized compared to the CPRA meeting I went to a few weeks back.

It also didn't seem very professional to me that the guy kept referring to Bart as "Commissioner Yak". I understand he has an unusual last name, but this is a formal meeting. Use the guy's whole freakin name! Geez.

Wasn't there some discussion at the last one as to whether it should be split between DU and Delta? What was the swaying factor? Wish I would have stuck it out and listened to that part.

capt coonassty 11-05-2015 02:11 PM

I'm not really educated about this but would like to find out what performance goals they are talking about in relation to receiving funding.

BGcoreg 11-05-2015 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 778068)
Yeah, they had taken a short break. I went to lunch at that point, so I don't know what they decided on with that last item related to funding towards the breeding grounds.

I think Yak's thoughts were in the right place. He felt like there were very hasty decisions being made by everyone involved, and that hunter's opinions may have changed if the season were allowed to run its course and a decision made in April. It seems the only change of heart would have come from rice hunters, but based on what Larry said, it wasn't the rice hunters who were calling for the change in the zones. It was the rice farmers.

I think most people are going to get what the wanted. The only question is if the early season in the coastal becomes the norm rather than the exception. That was something else that Yak pressed--that the commission needs to make a concerted effort to set the season on the Second Saturday in November. Some years it would be earlier, some it would be later, but it would be consistent. Some may not like it one year, but it would come around the next year.

That is the first time I've actually heard Larry speak. I can't imagine waterfowl in Louisiana being in better hands than they are right now. Hearing him talk about how he does not work for the rice farmers, he works for hunters....I don't think you can ask anymore than that. He may not always make decisions that are popular with everyone, but he is trying to do what is best. I like that.


Made me feel good when Larry said that while I was listening

Smalls 11-05-2015 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 778074)
I'm not really educated about this but would like to find out what performance goals they are talking about in relation to receiving funding.

The September minutes outline the criteria (page 12).

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/sites/d...ingminutes.pdf

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Evaluation Procedure

11 Professional Biologist from LDWF, USFWS, Gulf Coast Joint Venture and LSU evaluated the proposals for:
  • Consistency with statute and regional conservation plans
  • Value of proposed work to breeding waterfowl
  • Project area link to Louisiana
  • Probability of successful completion
  • Cost effectiveness for securing, restoring and enhancing the most possible habitat


Top Dawg 11-05-2015 04:11 PM

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Even more reason not to donate.

AubreyLaHaye458 11-05-2015 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Top Dawg (Post 778079)
Even more reason not to donate.


I donated an extra $50 with your name on it.


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Top Dawg 11-05-2015 04:13 PM

Awesome. Maybe I'll win a gun!

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AubreyLaHaye458 11-05-2015 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Top Dawg (Post 778081)
Awesome. Maybe I'll win a gun!

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Nope. All you get is a fleece sweater vest.


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Top Dawg 11-05-2015 04:16 PM

Ah. Oh well. Some idiot will buy it from me.

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Duck Butter 11-05-2015 04:21 PM

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Best bang for the buck. They get matching funds and have the capacity to actually do work on the ground with very little overhead costs.

If they spent the money here, people would get upset if it was spent in a portion of the state they dont hunt. Cant please everyone, send it up to where the majority of our ducks come from

Smalls 11-05-2015 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Top Dawg (Post 778079)
Even more reason not to donate.

Yeah I mean, since you likely bought a license this year, they already got some of your dollars.

Top Dawg 11-05-2015 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 778086)
Yeah I mean, since you likely bought a license this year, they already got some of your dollars.

Zackly

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Duck Butter 11-05-2015 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 778068)

That is the first time I've actually heard Larry speak. I can't imagine waterfowl in Louisiana being in better hands than they are right now. Hearing him talk about how he does not work for the rice farmers, he works for hunters....I don't think you can ask anymore than that. He may not always make decisions that are popular with everyone, but he is trying to do what is best. I like that.

Dude knows his stuff. Never seen him stumped on a question and is always available for questions on any outdoor website.

Duck Butter 11-05-2015 04:30 PM

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One thing that I think should change is the wording on the zones. Instead of coastal, east, west, just call them Zones 1, 2, 3. Looks silly when parts of western La is in the East zone and the SE Louisiana coast is not in coastal zone.

Smalls 11-05-2015 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 778091)
One thing that I think should change is the wording on the zones. Instead of coastal, east, west, just call them Zones 1, 2, 3. Looks silly when parts of western La is in the East zone and the SE Louisiana coast is not in coastal zone.

Semantics. Nobody cares about that stuff. lol

The numbers would confuse me more than anything. Stupid deer season with its 10 zones. Screw that. Give me a name that I can use. Numbers are so impersonal. I need a name when I get mad at someone for my season not being good!

Top Dawg 11-05-2015 06:36 PM

I'm happy with it. Especially if east opens a week later than coastal.

meaux fishing 11-05-2015 08:10 PM

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cgoods17 11-06-2015 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 778098)

please tell me why the intercoastal waterway is not the north boundary of the coastal zone?

these zones are unreal...

cgoods17 11-06-2015 08:49 AM

what if i have a rice field south of 14 in throwell and one in welsh? they are in two different zones, shooting the same birds, but open on different dates...

makes perfect sense!

seachaser250 11-06-2015 08:54 AM

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It's a damn shame they didn't give some of that money to a science based duck hunters organization like Delta Waterfowl. Why not let Delta and DU do some good with those funds?

Duck Butter 11-06-2015 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by seachaser250 (Post 778114)
It's a damn shame they didn't give some of that money to a science based duck hunters organization like Delta Waterfowl. Why not let Delta and DU do some good with those funds?

Delta and DU are not competing organizations. DU is much larger than Delta and has the capacity to get on the ground work done. DU is able to quadruple the money with matching. Instead of $1 million going to breeding grounds, there is $4 million. Very low overhead for a non-profit also.

seachaser250 11-06-2015 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 778115)
Delta and DU are not competing organizations. DU is much larger than Delta and has the capacity to get on the ground work done. DU is able to quadruple the money with matching. Instead of $1 million going to breeding grounds, there is $4 million. Very low overhead for a non-profit also.

I never said they were competing. I'm active in the Delta Organization and have a DU membership.

DU will do a lot of good with that money. I just think Delta should be given the opportunity to demonstrate what they can do as well.

Duck Butter 11-06-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by seachaser250 (Post 778116)
I never said they were competing. I'm active in the Delta Organization and have a DU membership.

DU will do a lot of good with that money. I just think Delta should be given the opportunity to demonstrate what they can do as well.

Not sure if it happened this year again, but I know DU and Delta both gave proposals to the commission a while back as to what they would do with the duck stamp money and DU blew them out the water with their proposal, which is why they got it. Don't think they are allowed to split the money.

meaux fishing 11-06-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cgoods17 (Post 778112)
please tell me why the intercoastal waterway is not the north boundary of the coastal zone?

these zones are unreal...

My guess would be that because there is a decent amount of tidal marsh north of the intracoastal

seachaser250 11-06-2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 778118)
Not sure if it happened this year again, but I know DU and Delta both gave proposals to the commission a while back as to what they would do with the duck stamp money and DU blew them out the water with their proposal, which is why they got it. Don't think they are allowed to split the money.

The commission could have awarded some of the money to Delta. I know Delta did submit a proposal and it didn't get blown out of the water. Delta does significant work that helps ducks and duck hunters. Not saying DU doesn't, as I've said before they do a lot of good work as well.

Top Dawg 11-06-2015 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 778115)
Delta and DU are not competing organizations. DU is much larger than Delta and has the capacity to get on the ground work done. DU is able to quadruple the money with matching. Instead of $1 million going to breeding grounds, there is $4 million. Very low overhead for a non-profit also.

Hahaha. Non profit.

Duck Butter 11-06-2015 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by seachaser250 (Post 778120)
The commission could have awarded some of the money to Delta. I know Delta did submit a proposal and it didn't get blown out of the water. Delta does significant work that helps ducks and duck hunters. Not saying DU doesn't, as I've said before they do a lot of good work as well.

No doubt they do good work, but DU is getting 4x matching funds. Hard to compete with that

Drake321 11-06-2015 09:49 AM

What will be the proposed dates for geese since there is different zoning now?

Smalls 11-06-2015 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by seachaser250 (Post 778116)
I never said they were competing. I'm active in the Delta Organization and have a DU membership.

DU will do a lot of good with that money. I just think Delta should be given the opportunity to demonstrate what they can do as well.

I think the problem for Delta is that they don't have near the support that DU does down here. That might sound strange, but DU is probably more recognizable down here first of all. And DU at least does some work in Louisiana, something that I don't believe Delta does.

I support both, because I think both do good work. But I think Delta is going to get its support from people that believe the breeding grounds is where all the money should be going, and not everyone feels that way.

cgoods17 11-06-2015 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 778119)
My guess would be that because there is a decent amount of tidal marsh north of the intracoastal

the amount of tidal marsh north of the intercoastal is a drop in the bucket compared to rice fields south of hwy 14.

Smalls 11-06-2015 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Drake321 (Post 778124)
What will be the proposed dates for geese since there is different zoning now?

Date's will not be proposed until January I believe.


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