Do they? Clearly not.

DU has done a lot of terracing in Louisiana with state, federal, and private funds.

I think most of these guys your talking about getting rich off of DU started off rich.

Did you also hear about the giant net they put up at the Ark/La state line?? [emoji854]


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I think if DU stopped printing stickers their membership would go up, CCA too. If they could see some of the a$$ clowns who sport their colors they would distribute their logo's more selectively.

I wish they would work together since they both seem to attack different root issues. Delta leadership in LA has attended every meeting of the wildlife commission pleading that they split the 2015 (or 2016, not sure how that works) grant money 50/50 between Du and Dw. DU is steady politicing for 100%. They've gotten the the grant 100% every year except I believe once Delta got half.

I have more than one friend who has a DU duck head tattooed on them. One of them might never have even been to a banquet.

haha,

Have you been to Arkansas lately, have you seen the massive landscape changes they have made to farming lands and wooded areas that have been leveled and pretty much turned into artificial marshes and RICE PONDS (in arkansas lol)

But I guess you haven't noticed the drop in Duck Populations in LA over the last 20 years.

Let me give you the Federal Grant Plan.

Feds will give DU 1,000,000 for Louisiana funding because Louisiana is considered wildlife habitat already.

Feds will give DU 10,000,000 for Arkansas and other states because they are not considered Migratory bird sanctuaries, but will only allow the spending of the 10, 000, 000 grants in these areas.

Now which Grant do you think DU is going to chase more???

Some times you got to cut a man loose.

Common Sense
 

Look,

For thousands of years DUCKS have been migrating from the North to the South as programmed by nature. Thats why we have duck seasons, thats why the hunting dates are made around this fall migration.

SO using the argument of building breeding Sanctuaries is absurd. They were already breeding sanctuaries.

DU did a lot of good things in the beginning, but when they got into land management to help grow the organization, they made their biggest mistakes. Changing landscapes to secure federal funding has nothing to do with the conservation.

Kinda of like a church wanting to grow, and asking the church members to put up enough money to buy a 10 million dollar airplane to spread the word and buy a bigger church.

"Developing undeveloped land into wildlife management"

I'm not following this. Why would you develop undeveloped land into wildlife management? What is undeveloped land? There is a lot of recreational acreage in Louisiana that I would consider undeveloped. Undeveloped land is typically wildlife habitat already, so why would there be a grant established to fund activities that manage it for wildlife?

What grant program is this you are referring to? I mean, it has to have a name. It's not some nameless grant. The Wildlife and Sport Fish Restoration Program grants are only available to state and regional government agencies.

I still fail to follow this logic, because I know several seasoned duck hunters, who aren't YELLING IN ALL CAPS ON THE INTERNET, that don't seem to have a problem with DU. On the flip side, I know several that do have a problem with DU (with no real foundation), but still support an organization like CCA.

Moral is, I don't know what you are talking about. What I did understand, I could say for any conservation organization. I've heard the same stories about CCA and National Wild Turkey Federation. One I believe in and support, the other I don't.

this is where you just lost me. There were already breeding sanctuaries? So the prairie potholes being converted to agricultural production means nothing to you?

I keep seeing this "for thousands of years" crap. Who is arguing that crap? If anything, it's the anti-DU crowd that thinks DU is purposely changing the flyway with these practices. If you are trying to suggest that habitat work does not need to be done across the flyway, then we need not even continue this conversation. It would be pointless for me or anyone else to point out all of the degraded habitat from the breeding grounds in the Prairie Potholes to the coastal marshes in Louisiana.

I heard DU has been offering free "Bounce Da Hen" clinics up and down the MS flyway. The enhanced calling techniques are working to shortstop the birds.

They recruited this guy to lead the clinics.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A4JSeKvJFiA

Oops guess this is top secret
 

MY OH MY, I GUESS THIS IS TOP SECRET INFORMATION. Look at the Coinciding map info.

One is DU projects the other is Flyway changes. Notice the large vacant spaces missing red dots in south Louisiana.

I was gonna jump into this but Smalls has already said everything I was thinking in a more eloquent way than I wouldve put it.

:cry::rotfl::cry::rotfl:
That never gets old

Meaux
 

Hey Meaux,

I get it, everyone has their opinion. I respect Smalls decision to support DU. I used to support DU, I dont anymore, based on things I have discovered.

If smalls and all the other DU supporters want to support DU then let them. I have no issue with that.


But I just want to let people know of the things most dont know about.

Call LDWF and ask them for the Hunting census' for the last 5 years, and see what the count has been. Most people would be shocked to see how far the drop in killed birds has been.

This is for a reason, and Im just relaying the info.

What am I looking at here? A bunch of DU projects?

Ok. Have I argued they aren't putting in projects? No. Quite the contrary.

"One is flyway changes"

What?!?! What are you talking about one is "flyway changes"? Both of those clearly show the same thing! I see quite a lot of red dots in Louisiana, by the way.

But I guess since the large one doesn't include a legend, you can claim it shows what ever you want. Clever old boy, clever.

And a lot of Vacant space in Missouri, which you earlier claimed was one place DU was spending lots of OUR money.

Looks like most of the money is focused along the Mississippi River, with a very large amount in both Arkansas and Louisiana.

Would it make a difference to you if I pointed out that Arkansas kicks our *** in rice production every year? And that many claim the reason for the decreased duck numbers in SWLA is the lack of rice production? I've heard that argument made many times. Does it make a difference that Arkansas had nearly 3.5 times the rice acreage that Louisiana did in 2014?

It seems to me that people want to blame DU when landscape changes far from DU's control are more likely the cause of "decreased" duck numbers in Louisiana. Are our wetland conditions not worse today than they were 20 years ago? Are our crop productions not worse today than they were 20 years ago? Are our hunter numbers not higher today than they were 20 years ago?

More pressure, less habitat in the south; More habitat in the north. And people wonder why there aren't as many ducks down here.

SMALLS
 

SMALLS,,


Seriously, the map shift shows the drop in population in SOUTH SOUTH SOUTH SOUTH Louisiana. 10-15 years ago, that map would have been solid Red across the Coastal and I-10 corridor.


The map on the Left is DU projects, the map on the Right is DUCK POPULATIONS in the FLYWAY. The right map is not DU PROJECTS>


But for the sake of arguing. We get it, you support DU. Great Job. Keep supporting them.


Many of us do not, and that's our choice. You have your reason why, and we have our reason why.


But at the end of the day, the DUCK populations in South La have fallen.

Link to the map then, because from what I'm looking at, it is the exact same as the one to the left, but shows the entire mississippi flyway. How you can argue any different, I don't understand.

Funny, just found your map right here. It is, in fact, a map of the projects in the Mississippi Flyway.

http://www.ducks.org/conservation/wh...issippi-flyway

Care to spread any more lies?

Bingo smalls bingo
 

IT DOES LOOK THE SAME> ABSOLUTEY.


THAT IS THE POINT> The DIRECT reflection of DU projects in Arkansas and Missouri (Along the Mississippi River as you say) shows a direct impact on the FLYWAY and where the birds migrate.


That's been my whole point.

LOL, and WHERE is the most projects being done?????? Come one Smalls, what part of that map and link you just sent concentrated on??

ARKANSAS.

You clearly have something loose in your head. The map is the same, and does not make any assumptions about the migration.

YOU are making assumptions about the figure and its relation to the migration.

If the figure relates to migration, then how many ducks does each of those dots equal?

You're bent, plain and simple. You can tell, without a doubt, that the most parts are taking place in Arkansas?

Care to weigh in on my point regarding rice production? Or habitat loss? Or do those points just work against your agenda?

Your basing your opinion on voluntary harvest data sent by hunters?

It's difficult or impossible arguing with a person who lacks the ability to interpret data and the value or validity it contains. And that my friends is why this debate will never change.

And a shout out to Dr. Billy Delany for teaching us to use critical thinking.

"Steady decline over the last 20 years"


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SMALLS
 

Smalls,

First, lets not go there with LOOSE in my head. Its obvious your passionate about your opinion, but does not require attacks, because believe me, Im not the guy you want to go there with.

Now, with all the conversation we have been having , you again, repeated what I stated earlier with RICE IN ARKANSAS. I said the same thing several threads ago.

20 years ago, ARKANSAS was not a large rice producing state. NOW THEY ARE. hmm, ducks eat rice.

SO now, you have three factors now wrapped around the Arkansas factor.

1. Increase in Rice production
2. Increase in DU projects
3. Increase in water habitat (Rice ponds, DU projects )

You guys are a-holes.. again... lol

I'd say the guy has improved big time from the double handed wench
https://youtu.be/HKWVMn9pw-M

And as far as the DU / Delta thing. I support both as much as possible. Makes my conscience feel a little better after a good Spoon raping...

SMALLS
 

PLUS SMALLS,

Your 26 years old. Your not old enough to have seen the years past in the hunting populations.

Lets do the math, your 26, which means you been hunting maybe a total of 12 years.

Do you remember the hay days when Gueydan LA was the duck capital

Do you remember the Points system, and when LDWF had to drop the limits to 3 birds

NOPE, too young.

But Hey, we are so glad you support DU. Keep up the good work.

Louisiana kills more ducks than Arkansas.

http://www.flyways.us/sites/default/..._estimates.pdf



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[QUOTE=AubreyLaHaye458;777164]Louisiana kills more ducks than Arkansas.

http://www.flyways.us/sites/default/..._estimates.pdf



Hey Aubrey,

Please show me where I said ARKANSAS Kills more than LOUISIANA.

I have been making the same point the WHOLE Time.

Louisiana Duck populations, MAINLY BIG DUCKS. have declined, because of the changes in ARKANSAS. Never said ARKANSAS kills more ducks

Lol I agree with every statement, he does sound better, he just needs to make that call beg some more. Wait I don't rape spoonbills, I choot em in the face.

What does age have to do with anything in this thread? Nothing. Quite a tactic, really. Point to a person's age to try and discount their voice. Were you alive to know ducks have migrated the same way for thousands of years? You're not old enough to know how ducks migrated 1000 years ago. So quit trying to divert attention from the fact that you are inaccurately using figures to push a viewpoint.

Funny thing about documents and all, you don't have to have been alive to know about things. I have read about the points system. I am familiar, through talking with old timers, what duck hunting was like.
I did see your earlier post about the rice. it was also the first post in which you referenced the "federal grants", something you have still failed to provide any documentation on (I'd still like to read about that, by the way). But, this is not surprising, considering you posted a map of DU projects and tried to pass it off as a migration map.

But let's be honest here, I don't care who you are, what you do, or how old you are. You've made it blatantly clear in just a few posts that you will say anything and use anything to paint DU in a bad light. And yet again, as so many others have tried and failed, you have failed at providing me with any compelling evidence as to why DU is to blame for the duck hunting situation in Louisiana.

If you guys keep openly admitting to fornicating with ducks I'll be morally forced to report you. Get some help good lord.

at least 500-1000 ducks didnt die in rockefeller refuge over the past few days......

SMALLS
 

Question

Where do yo hunt??

ON a DU project property??

On someone else's leased land??


Your answers will help this issue of why you support DU and I dont so answer honestly.

Smells, how many times did you duck hunt last year???? Now tell the truth..

In all these arguments... I never once hear mention of someone who should get majority of the blame for reduced duck populations in louisiana... and thats an unnamed agricultural commissioner who made a deal with a third world country to get cheap labor and export sugar to their country if we started growing more sugar cane. We can cry all we want but at the end of the day the reasons for reduced everything wildlife in Louisiana is based on poor politics and people supporting politicians who dont care if they turn LA into a contaminated concrete jungle.

- reduced rice farming in the south
- coastal erosion, loss of marshes
- global warming (GASP! yes its real, or else saltwater intrusion wouldnt be taking place on every coastline)
- land development, causing an alarming rate of loss of habitat
- The MS river diversion causing further loss of wetlands

Now go ahead and continue to be pissed off at DU while the blame lies solely on our ELECTED officials.

Smalls, Im compelled to ask: Is there a correlation between the DU projects and what land is considered protected land in LA? It seems like majority of those red dots coincide with land that would be considered protected land/land owned by the state or feds. Is there a reason for this? I wonder if its the lack of support that DU has from private land owners in LA? I wonder if DU had more support from private land owners in LA they would make an effort for conservation on privately held land?


I used to believe all the negative about DU until I started doing all my own research, then realized most of the garbage spewed about DU came from ill informed hunters who were only spreading rumors... unknowingly repeating something that they heard someone else say.

Two of the biggest reasons I can tell are that 1. Arkansas deforested their plains and put up more rice fields than anyone in the US. and 2. Rice acreage in S.LA is way way down. Sucks, but it is what it is

I'm assuming you are aiming this at me. I hunt public land, and to answer ASR's question, I hunted roughly 12 days last year. Most of that was weekends, but I took a few days here and there during the week. Stayed pretty busy at work, so it's hard to take off during the week. I hunted once on private land with a buddy that has no ties to DU. All of my other trips were public land in SELA, and none of those are in areas that have benefited from a DU project. I've been on some public areas in the past that have benefited from DU projects, but I rarely hunt those anymore because there are public areas closer to where I live now.

So, I'm not as big a diehard as some guys, but, you know, being 26 and all (since you seem to think my age is so important to the topic), duck hunting doesn't pay the bills, and I have a family to think about.

Still waiting to see that information on those grants. I really do want to read about this program that is apparently biasing conservation activities towards other states.

Honestly, just by looking at the map, its hard to tell. I would suspect many of them are on private land. If you really look at that map, the majority follow the Red and Mississippi River basins. Now, the Mississippi River does have some public land along it, but not near as much as the projects that appear along it on this map.

Without really getting into it and comparing the project locations to public land, it seems like a fair amount of them are on public land. When you compare the public to private land acreage in the state, we are no where near the lopsided numbers of Texas, but private land still outweighs public considerably.

As much as I would love the majority of DU dollars to be spent on public land in our state, its unrealistic. Some of that money is going to get spent on private lands. Whether people like it or not, money is going to be spent on the Gum Cove and Black Lake areas. I've been out in Marcantel's "marsh", and its pretty useless. Open water. You all know this if you've been in that area.

Part of the reason that DU has so much resistance in Louisiana is because of the work they do on private lands here. People feel like Marcantel and others are getting special projects in return for large donations. I really don't see a problem with that if the money is returned to conservation done elsewhere. A lot of the work they do on public land goes unnoticed because of this. Hell, the only reason I knew about the Rockefeller project was due to a post on the Louisiana DU facebook page. They just don't seem to be very good at PR.

public land du projects

I haven't read all the post yet, No sense either. It's just the typical anti DU guys who always get on these post. They come with far fetched rumors, and statements with no facts or data to support them what so ever.

First off DU puts millions into coastal conservation each year. These public coastal projects not only provide wintering grounds for ducks, but also protect the marsh that serves as the vital nursery for all the seafood we love including crabs, shrimp, trout and reds.

DU has stepped up and footed the bill for plenty of these projects where the state has failed to do so. We are losing our Marsh fast!! Point blank if we lose our coastal marsh we lose our way of life.

Let's talk about private land for a second. Yes, DU helps farmers through the rice stewardship program helps private marshland owners install levees and structures to manage water levels. And yes, this typically provides those land owners with substantially better hunting.

What you're missing here is it also provides better hunting for all of us. Point blank without key management of these lands the ducks will find somewhere else to go. By managing these private lands we are holding more birds per acre an area. You think the only one that benefits is that one landowner?? It's proven fact all the hunters surrounding have higher success rates as a result.

But let's jump back to seafood though. Just as public waters serve as vital nurseries for our fish and shrimp, so do many private marshes. Louisiana is 2nd in the nation for fundraising. They would be stupid not to invest back in this state.

This past year 82% of the money raised went directly back to conservation efforts. 3% went to administration and human resource and 15% went to raising all that money.

http://www.ducks.org/media/_global/_...lFactSheet.pdf


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Cool!!!!!! So, I can go hunt the White Lake WCA now without a problem??!!!! Everyone in this part of the state knows that is BS. Duck hunting there, as well as Cameron Prairie are done solely by lottery hunts.

Regarding duck numbers. Larry does his survey's every year. I have not looked but I would imagine that information is available or Larry could get it for us. He is on this site regularly. It would probably be helpful to compare his numbers over the last 20 years as a good starting point. If someone has these numbers please post them here.

And if it werent, it would be just as s****y hunting as the rest of public land WMAs.

Too many hunters, not enough public land.

Kisatchie being on that list has always confused me. Who the hell is duck hunting in Kisatchie? lmao!

Regardless, that is just the public lands they have done projects on. I don't believe they have only done 27 public land projects, and this list does not include Rockefeller either.

But there is still public hunting opportunity there nonetheless. You have every opportunity to put your name in the drawings, and first time applicants have a better chance than somebody that hunted there last year.

It is one of the green non huntable areas

http://wlf.louisiana.gov/hunting/aer...erfowl-surveys

This goes back to 2004. The estimate in November 2004 was a little over 1 million. The estimate in 2014 was a little over 3.1 million. There were 2.2 million dabblers in 2014.

Ah, yeah, I see that now. Just missed that whole "public land hunting" thing. lmao!

No its not its number 8 on the list looks like the land in Nat****oches area.