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evis posted this on 2cool. Call me a ****-stirrer? :eek:

After reading the posts, evidently the Texas catch and release mantra only applies if you are in TX.

Time to plan a big trip to Baffin :smokin:

I think we should get 5 or 6 of us...hire a guide for one day... Then rape those spots for a few days!!! Kill every thing over 5 String em up!!! Then post It on 2cool

You do not see trout with birth defects because they get eaten very early in life, more than likely by there siblings. To say say fish do not directly inherit genes from there parents is(I'm at a loss for words here) were else are they going to get them? Does every fish in the sea look alike? Ofcourse not. Why, because of natural selection and evolution. Good traits are passed on, bad traits die out. From this new species develop.

W. Even in the worst habitat some trout will grow bigger than the rest and pass there traits on. The better the gene pool the more trophys there will be. The more trophys you release the more they will spawn the better your gene pool will be.

i lost it when he said fish dont inherit genes, hahahahahahahaha

you proved your lack of knowledge about life in general

Ok. Evis!!! If your mom has twins,,,, you and your bother will look the same!!! Genes!

When a trout has 200000 eggs will they all have the same spot pattern?

No!!!! I spoke with Jody that did the LSU study here on Big Lake! We discussed this numerous times! The early male trout gets the eggs! Not the most dominate, biggest,oldest, fasted,has the most teeth..... Just the 1st one to fertilize the eggs! So if a 12inch male fertilize 5000 10inch females eggs...you have 5000 chances for one of those eggs to become a trophy trout!

we arent talking about paternal genes (paternal means father w),

we are talking about maternal genes.

that means mother w

I will say this....12" males don't usually run with 8lb sows it's usually 5lb males. 12"ers are quick to become meals!! jus sayn.......

Not necessarily.

:rotfl:

So, if you keep a 12" trout, does that mean it didn't have the gene to grow to 8#? Or, do 5-8 lb fish start out at that size?

What I'm saying is, how do you know that the dinks that w loves to show off wouldn't have made it to 8#?...aside from being in the freezer!

This should answer your question.....

Once you kill a fish its potential is at a end and ofcourse there is no way to know. Just sayin, big fat mama sow trout have the potential to pass on the genes that allowed them to become big fat mama trout to there offspring no matter the father. My dad is 5'5" 120lbs Im 6'1" 240lbs, it can happen.
I also do not think keeping small fish is a bad thing. I have talked to people that have been wade fishing Big Lake since the late 80's and they all agree that 2002-2003 were to best years for trophy trout(unfortunately I pretty much lived in the bottle from 1993-2004 so i do not have first hand knowledge) . The limit then was 25 yet there were more 8lb+ trout than at any other time. They also agree that there are more smaller trout now than then. Maybe the hurricanes had something to do with it or maybe it was the cold weather or maybe there is just some sort of cycle that we have yet to understand.

^ This.

man im out of the races!:cool: i been off the market for a few months now ....:eek:

let me know when! im down to rape fish stocks any time any where i dont care :smokin: texas would make it that much sweeter

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i think big fat monsters are not engineered through genes..all new borns have a shot at gettin big...wether or not they meet that monster status size i do believe depends on how long they live and how much food they consume....

I fish with a fly rod because I like the challenge. I am not under any illusions that it makes me a better fisherman than anyone else. I release all my fish, ESPECIALLY the big ones in hopes that a child may experience the joys I have in my time fishing this planet. I think that does make me better than everyone else. I can't have kids and yet I release fish in hopes that some of your kids get to experience what this wonderful fishery has to offer. So, your welcome and most of you should hope there are more like me out there otherwise you will probably just have to tell your kids about the times you used to have.

MedHeavy, I applaud your valor. I'm doing my part in this too. I just don't catch big fish. I have a special repellant for them!:*****:

I won't keep one 13" or less. To me, there is no point. And, in all honesty, I can put on one hand how many I've caught over 20". I don't much care that I'm not catchin sows, although I would someday like to catch one.

I've never even caught a limit. I don't think I would keep 25 fish because I don't feel like cleaning them all and it's more than my family and I would eat before they went bad. 10-12 is all I need in a day and I still have some left in the freezer right now.

See, MedHeavy, I told you I was doing my part!:*****:

Wow, what happened here:spineyes:

Someone is comparing deer to trout? That article 'W' posted from Jerald Horst should be the death knell of this conversation. He does know a little about fishes after all. The fact of the matter is that when the limit on trout was reduced to 15 on Big Lake there was not ONE BIT OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to support a reduction. It was all POLITICAL. A bunch of crybabies whined and got the limit dropped. I would really like to hear Jerald Horst's opinion on the matter or ANY fisheries biologist opinion on the matter. The reason trout get big in Big Lake is look at all the damn food. Throw a castnet behind those damn weirs and see what comes up. There is an abundance of food, and trout are eating machines. They eat, eat eat. They grow fast. They are prolific spawners, they will spawn repeatedly. The big females do not search out a genetically superior male to spawn with. Its more like an orgy, they just release eggs and the male fertilizes it (the nearest male, not the biggest baddest male). They don't make beds like a male bass and try and impress the female, Its wham bam thank you m'aam.:*****: If you guys want to release big trout that is great, I would do the same thing, because I know I can catch more smaller ones that I would rather eat. But to criticize someone else who keeps a PERFECTLY LEGAL fish is ridiculous.

..and for the record - I shoot does, hens, and jake turkeys:eek:

Waltrip is catching all the females with good genes, when they are 12 to 14 inches.
So what's the difference if you catch them before they get big or after they get big???

so you think that color doesnt come from genes?

you are a winner sir

Exactly what I was asking in an earlier post!

i know most of you will not understand this next statement.

Please keep eating these big fish. they have more toxins in them through bio accumulation. so go for it

All this talk makes me want to go tag some hogs........:grinpimp:

Yak...would that be the accumulation of toxins through digestion over a long period of time???

I got good genetics...

in the 1950's studies showed that children were being born without arms and legs due to mothers taking thalidomide during pregnancy.

so were gonna do an experiment, next time your loved one is pregnant give her some and see how to kid turns out.

i mean after all

its crap science

Exactly right, if you catch a 14" female and keep it that fish will not produce ANY eggs in her lifetime. So she is removed from the 'gene pool'. This is yet another thing in favor of KEEPING the larger trout.

If you wanna compare it to deer hunting (which is silly, but for sihts and giggles). The big thing now is not antler restrictions - its shooting for age, shooting old deer, even the old ones that are not 'trophies'. They are actully selecting the oldest deer in the herd to shoot. And for the record, there is no shoot and release in the deer hunting world. Once that deer is 'selected' it is not coming back to reproduce.

So, keep the big trout if you want, let the little ones have a chance:rotfl:

yes,

that study is good science. The trout study IS crap. I bet very few studies these days on trout reference those previous studies. If they do, it is to negate what they found versus what the author found in that particular study

if you think you can rape a resource for as long as you want with no effects

go look at the freshwater trout fisheries of the 1900's when you had pictures of guys with hundreds of fish a day and then go look at those areas now.

still no fish.

again

it is accepted science until proven wrong

I would love to see these pictures, for whatever reason I can't see them. I guess it is these stupid work filters.

I am with Southern151, i never catch a limit because I hate cleaning fish. I have no need for all that fish.

If everybody used a little common sense when enjoying the outdoors we would not need arbitrary rules like only 15 fish in big lake. Will Rogers said it best."You can't legislate inteliligence and common sense into people."

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there were no limits, we have limits now, and our fisheries biologists have been managing trout populations for years, they know what they are talking about.

Think of a crazy scenario like this:

Lets say that everyday of the year there are 1,000 people on Big Lake who catch there limit of trout. That means 15,000 trout per day come out of Big Lake. Multiply that 15,000 by 365 days a year and you get

5,025,000 trout. Thats 5 million trout per year :eek:

We also must ASSUME that Big Lake is shut off from the rest of the gulf meaning no trout can enter or leave the lake. Pretend here.

5 million trout! Lets then say the average number of eggs laid by ALL females, not big, little, medium sized, just the average pooled together is 50,000 eggs. It would only take 100 trout to make up for the 'raping' of the 5 million trout each year. BUT, this area constantly gets new trout from the gulf, and lets say 1/10th of those 50,000 eggs don't make it, then it would only take 1,000 trout to make up for last years loss. It is a self-sustaining fishery. I bet in some areas of the lake RIGHT NOW there are 1,000 trout stacked up.

I can clean 15 Trout faster than I can clean 5 Reds.

i assure you in the last 50 years since this study, many many studies have had different conclusions than the Fl study. Does not PROVE anything, just SUGGESTS

Accepted science killed the Pintail population at one time.
We knew the population was depleting faster than you can crap Mexican food.
But they kept the limit at 10 Pintail for years, no one can explain why, they just said they knew what they were doing, it was science and we didn't know what were were talking about.
Then when there were practically none left, they dropped the limit to 1.

We PAY fisheries biologists to regulate our fisheries, we should listen to them before making a hasty decision like lowering limits on Big Lake. They are the experts. I am just saying that it was a very abrupt decision on just a few trout. It is called BIG LAKE, there are thousands of fish bigger than the ones those Texans caught. Get out there, catch some, keep em, throw em back, whatever, next year there will be more

I understand that you can. And it's your right to.

But why?

Right on..... You catch 1000 trout a day....1000 more come if from the gulf! Your smaller trout move the most!!! Young males travel the most and longest! In the trout program LSU did we have a 14inch male trout lap the lake a few times in 24 hours! He was ping at all the markers! You had trout that were released with tags and ping all the way out to the gulf and never returned! They named one of the trout I caught “REDEYE“ ....she traveled from Long point to wash out and spent all winter in turners! She never went anywhere out the lake! There was a 7lb trout will caught that was tagged and he left the lake for Gulf and never returned

Hey Southern151 if you want to catch a limit we can hook up and go out to the pickets and load up on 16-20 inch specks. And if you don't want to clean I'll take care of it, I got a big extended family and they can smell specks frying from miles away!

If I ever get a day away from the shop again, I'll sure take you up on that! Got room for two? My dad loves to fish as much as I do! We'd buy the gas!;)

Hell yeah we'll have to wait til end of May when the specks make they're move back offshore but we can definitely arrange a trip. If you've never fished the rigs south of the DU trust me its a blast. We don't catch trophies often but we make up for with plenty of 2 at a time hook ups.

Cause she died of old age while in the gulf.
Why let her die of old age when she could have been caught and eaten???

Lets put out a memo to all sharks and dolphins etc. too...do not eat any trout over 5 lbs...

I totally understand where you are coming from, I have an uncle that has a fixation on shooting bucks only. If 100 does are standing in a field and a spike walks out, he will shoot the spike EVERY time. I can't justify why, but i dang sure can't change his way of thinking either

:eek: Very true

So can we all agree to disagree and if you wanna keep big fish you can, and if you wanna catch and release them you can?

It should be up to the fisherman, if it's within the law.

Spanking a fisherman on a public forum for not believing in your beliefs will make him go out and slaughter a few just to show you he can.