So what makes the "strait bottom" so much faster than the "hooked"?

For what it's worth Aaron, you're horrible luck made my mind up for me. I was recently in the market for a duck boat and leaning real hard towards Edge. Lake area marine has been real straight forward with me as well and I think they are great guys. After all the Edge problems with their jig, or design, or whatever other lies they told various different dealers. I'm still not 100% which one is the truth. I'm sorry for you're bad luck and I'm sure Gerald is doing all he can to resolve this. For what it's worth I went with an Xpress, yes it's a lot slower but it has a lifetime hull warranty and a good track record. Good luck and I hope you're back on the water soon.

I stopped by LCM today to look at a boat and Kyle never brought up Edge to me until I asked him and even then he guided me away due to the issues they are having.

I just left lake area. Mark told me my boat should be back by next week. Kyle said They picked up another boat that had the same problem and edge did a good job when they fixed it. He said they reinforced it well and did a good welding job. Im keeping my fingers crossed.

I just got off the phone with Tim. He called to tell me they had changed the Edge bottom back to the old rocket style, very good news. He also said he was taking care of Aaron's problem ASAP. We can hope:)
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The Internet can make you or break you nowadays.

It was the location of the hook, it was about 1' from the rake at the front of the boat. And it was a 1" hook. Makes it very hard to lift the bow out of the water, the boat wants to plow.
A small amount of hook in the correct place makes a boat fly. Check the bottom of some hi-perf boats, the hook is at the very back of the boat. That makes it sit up on the tail and run without bouncing. You have X number of horsepower, how many will you use to raise the bow (with trim) and how many to push it forward. The more horsepower you have available to push forward, the faster the boat will run. That's why tunnel race boats are so fast, they compress air in the tunnel to lift the boat so you can use all available horsepower to push forward.
Look at this video, my motor is trimmed neutral and the boat is flying perfectly at zero trim angle.
http://s126.beta.photobucket.com/use...good3.mp4.html

The next video is a hot 25 yamaha on a hooked Edge, notice how much trim is used just to get the bow up:
http://s126.beta.photobucket.com/use...c4037.mp4.html

Like I said, he is now back to buiklding them like mine,,,,

Like "Spanky" used to say....................."All's Well that ends Well".
Nah, the interweb has a way of making folks "Find their Character".;)

Tim did explain part of the problem. He said it cost him $400-600 per trip down here. That makes it a losing proposition unless he has a delivery of boats headed this way. That is why he tries to wait until he has a load coming to pick up any warranty work or look at boats, I can understand that.
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That's poor business thinking - lose a bunch of sales for having poor turnaround times on fixing his mistakes, or come out of pocket to get that thing up there and back to the buyer ASAP?

I promise you the business I would lose if I treated my customer's service work that way would put me out of an income... Much less warranty work.

Dood needs to visit a quality control dept in the oilfield and use as his model. Bet they got short bus kids who can make better beads than those I saw!

If he is worried about losing money on a trip like that then he needs to inspect work, hire someone to inspect work, higher qualified and trust worthy guys or shut his doors and close up shop.If he is not able to address these situations personally, which is understandable if he's supplying a large number of dealers over a large area, then he needs to hire help or trust dealers to correct issues and give him feed back of problems and solutions.

I think it would be better to spend $400-$600 to handle a customer's issue in a timely manner and get a reputation for good customer service than lose sales over some bad welds.

This ^^^

I understand his position on the costs of shipping my boat. If that was the problem then I would've been willing to meet him half way. Mark told me today that its been 7 weeks since my boat was brought to them. Im a very understanding guy and had tim just kept in contact with me then I probably would've never said anything negative about his customer service. All I've asked for since the beginning was to have my boat repaired. I dont think it was too much to ask considering the terrible welds.

I just got off the phone with Tim, I apologized to him. I want to take this time to apologize. Apologize to Tim, and all of you. Things I thought were facts, were not, not Tim's fault, not Aaron's fault, not Lake Area's fault, MY FAULT. I spoke in haste and anger, I apologize. I know I typed some things that were not true, I apologize. I know it hurt Tim's business, I apologize. I know that Tim has fixed every single problem that has ever come up with Edge boats. He is a much better person than I have portrayed him, I aplogize. I don't know what else to say but I'm sorry.
Please give Tim a break, he is not the person I portrayed him to be.
I AM SORRY for my actions, I don't know what else to say. I wish I could undo it, but I can't.
I know Tim can build good fast boats, I have one.
We all make mistakes, even welders, I ask you to forgive me for my mistakes. Had I shown love and patience, like I should have, I would not be asking for forgiveness now.
I am sick about this whole thing. I hope I can regian your trust in the future, not that I deserve it.
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CC I personally don't think anything you have said was out of line, there is a quality issue that needs addressed no matter what it takes. I am sure these CAN be great boats but not until these the problems are taken care of these things need to be brought to light for possible buyers. I looked at these boats just a few days ago and at first glance they look well built but if there claim is "One weld at a time" every bead should be quality from start to finish instead of making easily visible beads look good but then making crap beads in less visual places..... this is just my thoughts but then again I am running a beat up 20yr old Alweld that's been used for gator hunting, fishing and no telling what else that so far all the beads are in tact still.

Takes a strong man to say words like (sorry) and (I was wrong). Personally I don't think you were out of line. From all the post I've read it seems like you do way more good for people and try to help them than anything. Keep up the good work!!

Danny, its all good man! We all have our moments, you stood up!

Top Shelf in my book!:)

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No guys, it's not alright. I took gosssip and restated it as fact, and claim to be a "Christian". I took malicious gossip and used it as a weapon to try and harm Tim Scott and his business, that's not alright anywhere on God's green earth. And the whole time, I knew I could call Tim and get the truth from him. Now I understand why most folks call "Christians" hypocrits. I am sick about this. I didn't sleep last night, did a lot of soul searching and didn't like what I found. Tim is not a bad guy. I am just so ashamed of myself it makes me sick. I only hope Tim will forgive me.
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I told you not to buy that aluminum foil!

Danny I'm not sure what things you've said that you find to be wrong. If it were not for you, then I would probably still be sitting here with a boat with welds broken. I appreciate everything you have done to help me with my situation and would hope that you do not regret helping me out. I don't personally think that you have said anything out of line towards anyone and from reading everyone's posts I believe you area a highly respected member on this forum and an outstanding guy. I again want to thank you and would hope that there's no regrets. Aaron.

This thread has turned really weird quick.
I'm glad we could possibly help you get your boat fixed a little bit faster.


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Amen!!

Some of us get wierd from time to time, you know our medication wears off.
Thanks for letting me rant.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program:rotfl:
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I just spent the last 45mins on the phone with Tim from Edge. He is leaving out at 1 in the morning to bring my boat back. He explained the lack of communication between him and Lake Area and told me he worked on my boat all day Friday and it was going into paint this morning. He's gonna be down here first thing in the morning and wants to meet me in person when he delivers it. Thanks to everyone again for all the help.

That's good to hear. Hope your boat is right. Even with all of this drama I want to get an edge in the future.

Tim is back to building the straight bottom hulls. If you buy one, make sure to get a new model. He is going to look at mine to see if he can tweak it a little while he has it. Overall I'm very happy with the service i received after the ball was rolling. If you buy one and have any issues, just call him direct. Since I have had his cell number, I have never had to leave him a message. He always answers. I think he is honestly trying to please everyone but he's stretched thin due to Edge being a small company.

Tim is a better person than I portrayed him to be. He built me the fastest boat I have ever owned, has done everyting I ever asked him to. All I can say is not to judge someone by what someone else tells you, all that leads to is apologies and regrets.

I ran off at the mouth before I knew ALL the facts. Tough pill to swallow.
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Danny I would like to have you check mine out when it gets back if you wouldnt mind. I talked to tim about my performance and he gave me a few pointers about setting it up.

I would like to get one next spring. Hopefully I'll have the money and no unexpected surprises turn up.

Seen one going down common st earlier. Looked like a cigar. They dont seem to have a wide beam. Looked like the sides went straight up instead of angled out

they're designed like that to get through tight timber.

That's what i thought. Its Just different looking. I really like how the back looks though

Got my boat back this morning. Tim did an excellent job on the repairs. Got to spend a few minutes with him before he had to leave. He really is a great guy. He even went over some other welds that werent to pretty and made sure every one was done correctly. I must say it was a great job on the repair. He talked about a new boat model that he should be finished with next week. Its a 15 1/2 x 53. He said he is putting a very hot merc on it (80hp) and expects speeds in the 60's. It may be something to look at if anyone is in the market for a new hull.

Danny, is Tim putting one of your motors on the new boat?

Tim has a merc that was built by kent foreman.

That's good to hear!

I like the new boat size.

did he deliver it to you? if so, that is jam up.

Anxious to see how the new 15'6" long 53" wide bottom Edge will run. We know that a 16' boat of the same width as a comparable 15' boat is about 3 mph slower. Interesting to see the difference if any, with a 6"longer boat.
I know one thing, a straight bottom with the Edge bottom will run. And it will turn
So yes, all new Edge's will be built with straight bottoms as per Tim. Just let me know if you want a demo ride in a 556 Edge with an old 4 stroke hung on the back.
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Do you know what the beam will be on the new boat? What is the beam on your 556?

When it warms up a bit I'm going to have to take you up on that demo ride offer.

Bout 65".
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When I measured the 550 I had, it was 15'-4" down the middle. Have you measured your 556 length?

My boat is 15'2" from transom to bow.
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Tim delivered my boat back personally and made sure i was satisfied with the repair. He really is an awesome guy.

My 16x56 ran 43mph last week.

What motor?