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southern151 12-20-2013 11:57 PM

The author thought he'd become famous for the article. Unfortunately for him, still, no one knows his name but, every left loving, tree hugging, overly opinionated moron in America now knows the name, Phil Robertson! Awesome job, Phil!

Just my thought!

specknation 12-21-2013 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 653373)
I'm confused as to why the "Duck Show" is the focus here. To most people I've talked to, its not. Its about the backlash towards his comments. The liberals and LGBT community can say whatever they want, but when a conservative or Christian speaks about their beliefs, its wrong and they are persecuted.

I could careless about what happens to the show. Its the fact that yet again, if someone speaks out against the masses, they get snuffed out.

Its the principle of the thing.

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All that sounds great, but that's just the way things are. Way to much wasted energy on crap like this. It didn't matter if these words where said by a north Louisiana redneck or Senator from California the press was going to have a field day with it. You are confused why the duck show is the focus here? I just wanted to express my dislike for scripted redneck show about nothing, so please don't persecute me for expressing my opinion.

Smalls 12-21-2013 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by specknation (Post 653376)
All that sounds great, but that's just the way things are. Way to much wasted energy on crap like this. It didn't matter if these words where said by a north Louisiana redneck or Senator from California the press was going to have a field day with it. You are confused why the duck show is the focus here? I just wanted to express my dislike for scripted redneck show about nothing, so please don't persecute me for expressing my opinion.

I'm not man, I guess its just one of those things that some people get riled up over and others don't. But the "that's just the way things are" arguement is a lethargic way of going about it. That's why the country is what it is now, because people sat back and let things happen.

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SULPHITE 12-21-2013 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by specknation (Post 653376)
All that sounds great, but that's just the way things are. Way to much wasted energy on crap like this. It didn't matter if these words where said by a north Louisiana redneck or Senator from California the press was going to have a field day with it. You are confused why the duck show is the focus here? I just wanted to express my dislike for scripted redneck show about nothing, so please don't persecute me for expressing my opinion.

Nice job With the racist "redneck" remark...it's okay to say that...right...

specknation 12-21-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SULPHITE (Post 653389)
Nice job With the racist "redneck" remark...it's okay to say that...right...

When you choose to make your living in public eye, you are free game for every group of people to knock you down one way or another. As far as me using the word redneck, nobody cares I am a private citizen an nobody gives a crap what I say. My point is Phil being in his position knew his comments where not politically correct, and it would cause him attention good or bad.

southern151 12-21-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by specknation (Post 653416)
When you choose to make your living in public eye, you are free game for every group of people to knock you down one way or another. As far as me using the word redneck, nobody cares I am a private citizen an nobody gives a crap what I say. My point is Phil being in his position knew his comments where not politically correct, and it would cause him attention good or bad.

Best part is, he shouldn't have to be. Everybody done went and sissified in our country and, sneezing in your own house will now days offend the neighbor! Personally, I refuse to get on board with political correctness. The mere term is a contradiction! Politics and, correct should never be lumped into one another!

Cletus3173 12-21-2013 03:12 PM

Mr. Cruz of GLAAD is the one that quoted some poll the 56% of Louisiana Residents approved of gay marriage. I imagine the poll was taken on the east side of Bourbon Street. Mr. Cruz is the same person that called Phil an uneducated redneck. Phil never condemned gays, he just said he doesn't understand their attraction to another man. If he was racist against African Americans and he is the patriarch of his family, think he would have handed over the company to Willie when he adopted "little" Will. Phil said this past summer that he did not see himself on the show much longer, he may have figured on going out with a bang. I personally think the Robertson's should beat A&E and GLAAD at their own game, get a lawsuit proving that both organizations were trying to prevent first admendment rights and used bullying / hate tatics to do it. That would be so funny to watch. I would love to do jury duty on that case!

Clampy 12-21-2013 03:23 PM

Look I could care less what he says but clearly he says gays are full of murder and all kind of stuff in this video. Here's a shocker ! A bible thumping Jesus bearded man that lives in the woods from Louisiana doesn't like gays.

http://youtu.be/m1XhzVOm3JQ


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AceArcher 12-21-2013 04:49 PM

Using a somewhat time honored saying....

Here is how the cookie really crumbles;

1) Phil is within his rights to have, and voice an opinion

2) GLAAD & other gay activist communties are within their rights to have an opinion of Phil's opinion.

3) A&E is within their rights to "cancel" the show / stop filming phil....etc

4) you are within your rights to therefore either stop watching the show in protest, start watching another show on another network that picks up duck dynasty (or whatever it becomes) or your also within your rights to go fly a kite.



Human beings did not evolve to be exactly the same as each other. We can, should, and must celebrate all of our individuals.

In order to do so we have to tolerate all people's viewpoints.

How boring would the world be if there were only Phil & Kay Robertson's, or everyone was a Kanye & Kim or everyone thought and acted just like "W" (I think this last one could quite possibly cause the whole space / time continuum thing to implode)

Lastly, i wonder what the odd's are that this is all a "manufactured" crises to bump up ratings on the show. I mean really i just got back from the store and saw Duck Dynasty sugar cookies for sale?????????????????????????????????????????

Matt G 12-21-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AceArcher (Post 653485)
Using a somewhat time honored saying....

Here is how the cookie really crumbles;

1) Phil is within his rights to have, and voice an opinion

2) GLAAD & other gay activist communties are within their rights to have an opinion of Phil's opinion.

3) A&E is within their rights to "cancel" the show / stop filming phil....etc

4) you are within your rights to therefore either stop watching the show in protest, start watching another show on another network that picks up duck dynasty (or whatever it becomes) or your also within your rights to go fly a kite.



Human beings did not evolve to be exactly the same as each other. We can, should, and must celebrate all of our individuals.

In order to do so we have to tolerate all people's viewpoints.

How boring would the world be if there were only Phil & Kay Robertson's, or everyone was a Kanye & Kim or everyone thought and acted just like "W" (I think this last one could quite possibly cause the whole space / time continuum thing to implode)

Lastly, i wonder what the odd's are that this is all a "manufactured" crises to bump up ratings on the show. I mean really i just got back from the store and saw Duck Dynasty sugar cookies for sale?????????????????????????????????????????

I believe you just summed this whole shebang up with this post.

AceArcher 12-21-2013 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 653487)
I believe you just summed this whole shebang up with this post.

:)

I do really think that the most likely reason for all this was the last line of my post.

Goooh 12-21-2013 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AceArcher (Post 653488)
:)

I do really think that the most likely reason for all this was the last line of my post.

Bring yourself over to the Mallett Building thread, it's just heating up to legal action.

AceArcher 12-21-2013 09:16 PM

alright will have to grab the popcorn and come on over.

duckman1911 12-22-2013 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceArcher (Post 653485)
Using a somewhat time honored saying....

Here is how the cookie really crumbles;

1) Phil is within his rights to have, and voice an opinion

2) GLAAD & other gay activist communties are within their rights to have an opinion of Phil's opinion.

3) A&E is within their rights to "cancel" the show / stop filming phil....etc

4) you are within your rights to therefore either stop watching the show in protest, start watching another show on another network that picks up duck dynasty (or whatever it becomes) or your also within your rights to go fly a kite.



Human beings did not evolve to be exactly the same as each other. We can, should, and must celebrate all of our individuals.

In order to do so we have to tolerate all people's viewpoints.

How boring would the world be if there were only Phil & Kay Robertson's, or everyone was a Kanye & Kim or everyone thought and acted just like "W" (I think this last one could quite possibly cause the whole space / time continuum thing to implode)

Lastly, i wonder what the odd's are that this is all a "manufactured" crises to bump up ratings on the show. I mean really i just got back from the store and saw Duck Dynasty sugar cookies for sale?????????????????????????????????????????

Oh you aint going there bro. I had the sugar cookie thing about 4 pages earlier. You showed up late to that party.:rotfl::rotfl:
All jokes aside they are making a killing on merchandise.

Country Boy 12-22-2013 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 653658)
Oh you aint going there bro. I had the sugar cookie thing about 4 pages earlier. You showed up late to that party.:rotfl::rotfl:
All jokes aside they are making a killing on merchandise.

Yeah they are, I seen at academy they also had remote control trucks and boats for sale.


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"W" 12-22-2013 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceArcher (Post 653485)
Using a somewhat time honored saying....

Here is how the cookie really crumbles;

1) Phil is within his rights to have, and voice an opinion

2) GLAAD & other gay activist communties are within their rights to have an opinion of Phil's opinion.

3) A&E is within their rights to "cancel" the show / stop filming phil....etc

4) you are within your rights to therefore either stop watching the show in protest, start watching another show on another network that picks up duck dynasty (or whatever it becomes) or your also within your rights to go fly a kite.



Human beings did not evolve to be exactly the same as each other. We can, should, and must celebrate all of our individuals.

In order to do so we have to tolerate all people's viewpoints.

How boring would the world be if there were only Phil & Kay Robertson's, or everyone was a Kanye & Kim or everyone thought and acted just like "W" (I think this last one could quite possibly cause the whole space / time continuum thing to implode)

Lastly, i wonder what the odd's are that this is all a "manufactured" crises to bump up ratings on the show. I mean really i just got back from the store and saw Duck Dynasty sugar cookies for sale?????????????????????????????????????????

Profiling, racist ^^^ Its on now

AceArcher 12-22-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 653666)
Profiling, racist ^^^ Its on now

whatever "W" you know darn good and well they broke the darn mold after you jumped out.

or if you prefer .... Bring it... :P

duckman1911 12-22-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Country Boy (Post 653661)
Yeah they are, I seen at academy they also had remote control trucks and boats for sale.


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Just need some duck dynasty condoms and it all over after that.lmao:rotfl::rotfl:

I make oil 12-22-2013 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 653679)
Just need some duck dynasty condoms and it all over after that.lmao:rotfl::rotfl:

Imagine them hiving those away in Gay bars.:D

Clampy 12-22-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 653679)
Just need some duck dynasty condoms and it all over after that.lmao:rotfl::rotfl:


Put Phil's face on em prolly be a huge hit in the gay community.


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fishinpox 12-22-2013 09:31 AM

This thread is GAY , y'all should be happy all your gay Phil n uncle si t-shirts will be collector items now lmao !

duckman1911 12-22-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fishinpox (Post 653686)
This thread is GAY , y'all should be happy all your gay Phil n uncle si t-shirts will be collector items now lmao !

^^^^^ The winner of the "deep thought of the day" award.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

MarshRat89 12-23-2013 03:56 PM

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Beagleman 12-25-2013 06:28 PM

There is no free speech issue here. The First Amendment prohibits the government from blocking speech (with some obvious exceptions, such as classified information, military secrets, etc). At no point has the government exercised prior restraint against Robertson, thus no free speech violation. Robertson has made similar comments in past interviews, including to Christian magazines, so there is no liberal media conspiracy attempting to lure him into saying things. He says them publicly, freely and repeatedly and is still saying them since the GQ interview. Apparently the biggest problem the GQ writer had -- I read the article and overall it's pretty complimentary -- was getting Robertson to shut up about his religious beliefs long enough to ask a question about something else. What many people fail to understand is there is no constitutional right to protection from the CONSEQUENCES of free speech. If you think there is, look your boss in the face tomorrow morning and exercise your right to free speech by calling him a POS and see how long the First Amendment keeps you employed. A&E made a business decision that the negatives would outweigh the positives in retaining Robertson. If you think that was the wrong decision you're free to sign petitions, contact A&E, join a protest against the network, spend your life savings on stuff with the DD logo, hire Robertson for a duck hunt (if he still guides professionally) or whatever, just as groups who were offended are free to protest, call for his firing and so forth.

MathGeek 12-25-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Beagleman (Post 654550)
There is no free speech issue here. The First Amendment prohibits the government from blocking speech (with some obvious exceptions, such as classified information, military secrets, etc). At no point has the government exercised prior restraint against Robertson, thus no free speech violation. Robertson has made similar comments in past interviews, including to Christian magazines, so there is no liberal media conspiracy attempting to lure him into saying things. He says them publicly, freely and repeatedly and is still saying them since the GQ interview. Apparently the biggest problem the GQ writer had -- I read the article and overall it's pretty complimentary -- was getting Robertson to shut up about his religious beliefs long enough to ask a question about something else. What many people fail to understand is there is no constitutional right to protection from the CONSEQUENCES of free speech. If you think there is, look your boss in the face tomorrow morning and exercise your right to free speech by calling him a POS and see how long the First Amendment keeps you employed. A&E made a business decision that the negatives would outweigh the positives in retaining Robertson. If you think that was the wrong decision you're free to sign petitions, contact A&E, join a protest against the network, spend your life savings on stuff with the DD logo, hire Robertson for a duck hunt (if he still guides professionally) or whatever, just as groups who were offended are free to protest, call for his firing and so forth.

Liberals and other Americans are free to disagree with the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

(a) Employer practices It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer - (1) to fail or refuse to hire or to DISCHARGE any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

But I bet there are a few questions they will avoid answering right now relative to the Phil Robertson interview in GQ and his subsequent suspension by A&E:

Since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is currently in place as Federal law, why don't you think a person should enjoy its protections for quoting the Bible?

Should we ignore the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and allow employers to fire employees for quoting the Koran? The Torah? The Talmud?

Or does protection of a religion (nondiscrimination based on religion) simply not extend to quoting religious texts or expressing religious views?

Would you be OK with Duck Commander firing employees who spoke in favor of homosexual causes?

Goooh 12-25-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 654552)
Liberals and other Americans are free to disagree with the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

(a) Employer practices It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer - (1) to fail or refuse to hire or to DISCHARGE any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

But I bet there are a few questions they will avoid answering right now relative to the Phil Robertson interview in GQ and his subsequent suspension by A&E:

Since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is currently in place as Federal law, why don't you think a person should enjoy its protections for quoting the Bible?

Should we ignore the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and allow employers to fire employees for quoting the Koran? The Torah? The Talmud?

Or does protection of a religion (nondiscrimination based on religion) simply not extend to quoting religious texts or expressing religious views?

Would you be OK with Duck Commander firing employees who spoke in favor of homosexual causes?

I think the honest answer from most to your last question is NO. Ad that is the sad truth.

I hear so many arguments for freedom and liberty at family gatherings, then in the next breath they condemn Muslims and Hindus for praying in public or pronouncing their faith.

I'm totally against that frame of mind, and believe in liberty and justice for ALL, not just those with the same beliefs as me...

Loneshark 12-25-2013 10:19 PM

A&E's big legal problem is not free speach. It is violation of EEOC(Equal Employment Opportunity).

Clampy 12-26-2013 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 654554)
I think the honest answer from most to your last question is NO. Ad that is the sad truth.

I hear so many arguments for freedom and liberty at family gatherings, then in the next breath they condemn Muslims and Hindus for praying in public or pronouncing their faith.

I'm totally against that frame of mind, and believe in liberty and justice for ALL, not just those with the same beliefs as me...


Well said gooh. This drives me crazy also and I never miss a opportunity to point it out. I get looks across the table but they make my brain hurt so I guess we are even.


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Goooh 12-26-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 654601)
Well said gooh. This drives me crazy also and I never miss a opportunity to point it out. I get looks across the table but they make my brain hurt so I guess we are even.


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Yea, funny how quick they view you as an atheist, homo, tree hugging liberal simply because you think that "liberty for all" actually means liberty for all. And when the Bible says all men are created equally, it actually meant all men.

Beagleman 12-26-2013 09:10 AM

Math Geek bring up an interesting point but I think he misinterprets the Civil Rights Act of 1964. There was no violation of that act because Phil Robertson was not canned because he is a Christian. If that were the case then all the Robertson family members would have been canned, or rather there would never have been a DD show. He was canned because he made comments, some but not all of which he justifies as his religious beliefs, that A&E determined were bad for business. You are, thankfully, free in this country to believe what you want to believe and to say what you want to say, but if you start saying stuff that your employer thinks is bad for business, you're not going to remain employed for long. If you are Jewish and work in a Christian bookstore and start telling the customers Jesus wasn't the son of God you're probably not going to be working there much longer, so to answer an earlier question, no, neither the First Amendment nor the Civil Rights Act protects you in quoting a religious text or expressing a religious belief when your employer determines it's bad for business. As to the question of whether an employee at the Robinson store would be canned for expressing pro-gay beliefs, this is a "right to work" state, which in actually means are right to fire state. An employer does not have to have or give any reason for firing an employee and it's up to the employee to prove in court that the firing was discriminatory. You are going to find very little state or federal legal protection for expressing a belief, whether it's religious based or not, that drives away customers. You can believe what you want, but when you go beyond believing it to expressing it and you boss doesn't like it, you're pretty much out of luck.

Beagleman 12-26-2013 09:39 AM

There are some things people on here seem to be ignoring. Robertson, prior to the GQ interview, admitted that he knew he could not get away with expressing some of his more controversial beliefs on DD. Although some continue to see Robertson as just a simple good old boy clueless to the ways of the wicked left-wing media, if you think that you probably also think your bank account is bigger than his. The reality is Robertson, who is way more media savvy than some give him credit for being, took advantage of his popularity from the show to get his views out to a national audience via an interview in a major magazine. Gay groups and anti-gay groups used that interview to generate publicity for their side. GQ, meanwhile, has gotten a ton of free publicity and generated increased reader interest. Forget this BS about Robinson somehow being a victim. He accomplished what he set out to do in the interview. The guy is 67, has made more money than he ever dreamed he would and, according to past comments, wasn't in favor of doing the show to begin with. He has now jumped from being a redneck entertainment figure to preaching to a national audience. Robinson came out a winner in the sense of getting his message out to a national audience, the pro- and anti-gay groups won in getting lots of publicity off it, and certainly GQ came out ahead. About the only loser in this tempest in a coffee cup (I doubt Phil drinks tea) is A&E, which can't seem to figure out what it wants to do.

BassYakR 12-26-2013 10:41 AM

Nail on the head!!!!!!

Dogface 12-26-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Beagleman (Post 654623)
There are some things people on here seem to be ignoring. Robertson, prior to the GQ interview, admitted that he knew he could not get away with expressing some of his more controversial beliefs on DD. Although some continue to see Robertson as just a simple good old boy clueless to the ways of the wicked left-wing media, if you think that you probably also think your bank account is bigger than his. The reality is Robertson, who is way more media savvy than some give him credit for being, took advantage of his popularity from the show to get his views out to a national audience via an interview in a major magazine. Gay groups and anti-gay groups used that interview to generate publicity for their side. GQ, meanwhile, has gotten a ton of free publicity and generated increased reader interest. Forget this BS about Robinson somehow being a victim. He accomplished what he set out to do in the interview. The guy is 67, has made more money than he ever dreamed he would and, according to past comments, wasn't in favor of doing the show to begin with. He has now jumped from being a redneck entertainment figure to preaching to a national audience. Robinson came out a winner in the sense of getting his message out to a national audience, the pro- and anti-gay groups won in getting lots of publicity off it, and certainly GQ came out ahead. About the only loser in this tempest in a coffee cup (I doubt Phil drinks tea) is A&E, which can't seem to figure out what it wants to do.

Agreed!!!!!!

MarshRat89 12-27-2013 06:39 PM

Just heard a& r reversed their decision. Phil is back!


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jchief 12-27-2013 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MarshRat89 (Post 654930)
Just heard a& r reversed their decision. Phil is back!


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Yep.

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MarshRat89 12-27-2013 06:41 PM

http://www.komonews.com/news/enterta....html?mobile=y


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