Lmao. I just watched it.


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You said you were patting yourself on the back for staying out of this for so long. Anytime someone says drugs....boom here you come talking the same exact stuff every time. I really don't care if you smoke meth til your teeth fAll out. You can make it at home in small batches use it at home, don't sell it, you'll probably never get caught.


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I needed a cig so i killed those three people for the cash in thier pockets, said no one EVER......

Baltimore
 

Haha, been outta that great divide cuz

Funny, but fake

I agree but nothing is going to change until cops are truely held accountable for their actions and there is a total culture change on the other side. Until those happen it will remain the same or get worse.

Well, here may be a major kink in everyone's gripe about police brutality. Several sources are reporting(and Allstate Ins confirmed) that this guy was getting a settlement for a neck injury and, had recently had neck surgery.



http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...t-2707800.html

If confirmed, this would certainly be an interesting development, but it is not completely exculpatory regarding the police actions. Questions yet to be answered:

1. What was the reasonable suspicion for the original detention? The police have yet to articulate a specific crime he was suspected of that day. Courts have consistently ruled that suspicion of unspecified "criminal activity" is insufficient to detain a suspect. Police need to show that the original detention was legal and justified.

2. Was the "spring assisted" knife really a switchblade as defined by applicable laws? The arrest on this charge needs to be justified.

3. Why wasn't Gray secured with a seatbelt in the police van per protocol? Did failure to secure Gray in a seatbelt contribute to his injury?

4. Why were police so slow in calling for medical assistance?

5. Was Gray intentionally taken for a "rough ride" in the police transport in order to "teach him a lesson"? Even had there been a pre-existing neck injury related to the surgery, failure to properly restrain Gray in the van and intentionally making the ride rough would make the government employees involved culpable.

Even a citizen who has recently had neck surgery and should be resting at home has civil and constitutional rights not to be abused by police. Autopsy results should be able to determine how much force was applied to cause the neck injury. Hopefully, there are high quality CT scans available for review by outside experts.

I find it interesting that every time there is a questionable incident involving police most white people I know are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the policeman. I suspect its because most of them have never had a negitive encounter or been harassed by a cop. I don't think the same can be said for the majority of blacks in the United States. Most of us live in out own little worlds and only catch a glimpse of what life outside of it is like. Its impossible for most of us to understand why people with riot and loot their own communities but none of us come from that world. Ever been to Baltimore? Its a lawless war zone. If I grew up there and all I knew was that way of life, I would probably not care if one day it was burned down. If every time I saw a cop I had to worry about being hassled for being young and black I would probably be pissed off about it. All it takes is one encounter with a abusive LEO to change your perspective. If you have never had your rights violated by a power hungry man child with a badge its an eye opening experience. If it happened to most of us, we would report it through the proper channels or get a lawyer and something would be done about it. Do you think the same could be said for the average black kid in any intercity? I am not in anyway defending whats going on, but I understand why its happening. Its easy to sit back and judge these people, assume that they are all living off the government and selling drugs and are content doing it. It is just not that simple. Imagine growing up abject poverty, live amongst pimps, addicts, drug dealers, have no access to decent education, have no real positive roll models to look up to and have had a front row seat to disfunction your entire life. What would your perspective be? Yes, there are exceptional people that pull themselves out of it but the majority of people are not exceptional. Most people of any color are just average. The average person I know just want to fit in to their surroundings and I think this pretty much explains why the problems in the intercity perpetuate themselves. I don't know what the solution is, maybe there isn't one, but I can't say that I blame them for being pissed. Children scream and holler when they want attention because they don't know any other way to get it, rioting is pretty much the same thing. It's not going to solve anything but it is what happens when the disempowered become fed up with the status quo. Its happened for centuries, it is human nature.

Ok, can't hold my tongue any longer.
Do you have any idea what the federal Goverment does for failing or low income schools?
They provide them with funding to buy supplies that a school like Barbe would love to have.
When it comes to funding education, the schools that suffer the most are: Schools with high test scores, that don't accept out of zone "bused in" kids.
The govt chooses to pump money into the failing schools, but money does not solve the problem.
Things have changed in the education system, the "ghetto" schools now have way more resources at their disposal.

The lack PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY- is the root cause for these failing schools ect. Parents are not in involved in a positive way. There involvement consist of why did u fail my kid?

Enough with that, let's move on to why people are being shot by cops.

The short answer is people don't fear cops, but they should.

Cops are not trained robots, they are human beings with guns. If you resist arrest or create a situation where the LEO must pursue IMO you are putting yourself at risk for injury or death.

" Children scream and holler when they want attention because they don't know any other way to get it, rioting is pretty much the same thing."

You are somewhat correct here. The part you are missing is children with no discipline act this way. They are acting like a bunch of unruly little kids when they should be acting like responsible adults. No one taught them better and, that starts at home. So, before I go feeling guilty of being white, I'll say that a bunch of people's parents failed them terribly.

I agree with you 100% Law abiding ppl are not the ones being harmed by these cops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its criminals that make the choice to fight them, run from them, and intend to do harm to them. Now im not saying the cops are doing the right thing in all of the instances that have happend. Some have killed when they should not have. They should be punished as you or I would be.

No amount of money, or government program can fix what's broken. The fact that inner city schools get big money doesn't change the fact that schools are still substandard. They are substandard because the students that attend them are raised in disfunction.

I wasn't making excuses for anybody involved in this $hit. The situation has been bad for a long time and it's not going to change itself because we all think it should.

There's nothing anyone on the outside can do to improve what's going on here but it goes way beyond people not listening to what cops tell them to do.

I don't feel any guilt for being white, I just believe there is way more to it than most of you do. That's really the only point I was trying to make.

I shoulda just kept my mouth shut. No politics, religion, sex is the way to go.


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Just like the US going overseas trying to change the foreigners to be civilized. You look at any conflict where the US said they was helping them. Its for nothing. These people are raised like animals. Always have been and always will be. I realize this is on our on soil but you can't "fix" stupid. Nothing but a bunch of useless thugs.

Play stupid games..... Win stupid prizes

i like turtles

Personal accountability and responsibility cannot be bought by government handouts........nor can it be taught by brutal punishment.

It has to be nurtured into an individual over time.

In the case of an animal, say a unruly pit bull, with enough lashing out, biting the hand that feeds them, we put them down.

With humans, it becomes much more complicated.

So are you saying you must blindly obey any command given by police or they can go in guns blazing? BS. Just because he has a badge and a gun doesn't make him right. They are not the law they are law enforcement and half of them don't know what the laws are.
Why should a cop be feared? Protect and serve not be feared. The problem is that they are causing people to fear them. I don't fear them but I don't trust them and I view them as a potential threat. Trust me I have dealt with a lot of dumb sheet cops that shouldn't have a sharpened pencil much less a gun.

People generally resort to name calling when they know they have lost the debate... Good luck in your campaign to legalize heroin and let the criminals run wild. You and clampy have fun sucking on the glass pipe together :)

Decisions and Egos
 

Duckman Its obvious to me that you have a problem with authority and possibly your ego.

Yes your 100% correct the cop may not be right but guess what your dead who won that game of chicken...Nobody

My whole reasoning to obey a cops command is the risk of them making a poor decisions. To me it's a matter of self preservation. If something goes down that was handled incorrectly by a LEO, you have a much better chance of "winning" if you remain calm, listen; then handle the situation afterwards with a lawyer.

When I was 16 I was caught drinking outside a bar in New Orleans; and received a minor in possession of alcohol. There was a moment where I thought about running from the cop; I thought I'm younger, faster and can prob get away. Then a little voice told me, if he caught me I would have hell to pay for making him take chase.

I agree. The guy with the pistols, right or wrong, is the instant winner. The "I know my rights!" attitude when, even though you were right, got you shot to death. Put up with a little stupidity and, live. Smack stupidity with a lawsuit or complaint after the fact and, you may actually be the victor in the matter.

All of these "I know my rights types" claim they don't have to listen and, whatever else but, kinda like the 300# dude that wants to fight you at bar closing time, for no reason, your best bet is to find a way out of it other than the altercation. Yeah, he's a jerk and, you did nothing to him but, he's apt to put your butt down if you choose to engage. Yes, SOME cops are just like a 300# bully at closing time.

In closing, please keep it civil so that this can stay in open forum. I really have enjoyed reading the different views thus far.;)

Should have stayed out of it longer.

If a chick wants to sell some puzz I have no problem with that. It's hers and if she wants to rent it out for a while then go ahead.

I'm curious how "all the bad things" associated with drugs would go away if they were legal? And what drugs are we talking about here? I mean, if we are just talking about drugs in general, I would really love to know how legalized cocaine would eliminate overdoses.....

I'll wait.

I got really mad today reading posts on Facebook about the situation in Baltimore. Saw several people stating that "white people" need to take responsibility for what we are doing to minorities. I really take offense to that insinuation that I am responsible for what is going on across this country. Like I owe someone something. I haven't done a single thing to anyone of any race, and these people have the nerve to act as though EVERY white person should own up to this?!?!

This is what worries me. That I'm going to be minding my own business one day, and someone is going to come after me simply because I'm white. This generalization that is happening in our country is a slippery slope.

"All cops are bad."

"All white people discriminate against and oppress minorities."

Dangerous ideas.

Its easy to tell who the dems are in this world isn't it?

I am thankful for the 10's of thousands of good and even great LEO......and I trust that they know the law damn well better than I do.

To assume you know more about the law than a LEO does might be a tragic mis judgement.

You have very little "rights" when you put your hand on an officer......at that very moment, he has every right to defend himself.

When you wrestle with a LEO and expect to "win" you prove you are a very very shallow person.

You can be as smart a **** Tracey, but you push on a cop and you are just being **** at that point.

I would venture to bet that the amount of cop brutality cases versue the amount of times they are engaged with the public is less than one tenth of one percent as a nation.

We have GREAT officers in our small towns, many are family to the town.

My dad as chief arrested 150 or so people over his first and only term.
In a town of 650 voters he only lost by less than 50 votes.......goes to show.......most people, given the light of day and a sober slumber, realize the just how stupid they where the night before

the devil destroys one small "give in" at a time.....we have given in to cigs and alcohol....I am drinking a bourbon now.....

But abuse of both as ruined literally millions of lives directly and 100's of millions indirectly......

that can't be argued.

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if this is accurate........this is a LARGE first step

I get the gist of you're post but I wish there were more like these guys

Take what you can get........light one candle and curse the darkness

Your assumption that I am the dead one is vastly exaggerated. I have shot many many combat pistol matches against cops and have beat most of them.
Furthermore I have no issue with authority as long as that authority is used justly and within reason. I'm sorry that unlike you I refuse o bow like a puppy that has been beat too much. Have fun being a slave.

Good point. What happens when a cop puts his hands on you? Should you be allowed to defend yourself or should you just bow to their self imposed authority? Granted I am talking about a cop acting out of line. To me it has nothing to do with cop or not. You threaten me and I will defend myself accordingly. You wearing a badge just lets me know you have a vest on and I need to make head shots. PERIOD.

Good people. Any person can be trash. Race doesn't dictate that. Personal responsibility dictates what person you are.

unreasonable people cannot whine about being treated unreasonably.......

just don't be unreasonable.

regardless if you are a cop, a wanna be cop, or a person that knows the law better than the cop, or shoots better than the cop, or is faster than the cop, or .......or.........or........

the only thing worse than one unreasonable person is two.........

So if you would have ran from the cop he would have all rights to gun you down? You should have tried that. It would be great to see if he could shoot good enough. Try it but get a friend to video it. I want to see if you make it :)

Can you be the SC ambassador? We all just talking smack but you try to keep us blowing our tops.
I do enjoy your well thought out reasonable replies.

you guys should know me well enough to know I'm not out to just tick people off.

The dialouge we have here (for most of us) is civil and brings enjoyable debate because we are all "real" folks..

I think many of us, including me, have no real idea of the sub-culture we have in the large cities these days.

Baltimore and many other cities represent an altered reality for us.........many of these young men protesting have never witnessed or heard of a male figure in the family EVER working.......for generations deep now.......

We are blessed to not have to live in that reality.

While I do not condone their actions, I can understand how it happens.

What if you never, EVER saw ANY person in your family show personal responisbility?
Where would you learn it from?
No one took you to church?
Even your teachers cannot/did not show it to you.........
You came home to empty houses.........you ate from left OUT fast food, not leftover.....

No one taught you hygiene, basic civil understanding,

Would you even know WHAT repsonsibility looks like?

Solid retort

This is a great post.

Understanding the other side of the coin is the biggest hurdle in developing logical scenarios for the betterment of society as a whole. This is part of the layers I have been poking at throughout the whole conversation.

The problem we face goes way dealer than just ignoring the problem and saying people need to nut up and get there crap together - it's generational, change for this environment starts with the young and takes place over generations. Force only goes so far before it turns against you.

Call it white guilt or whatever you want, I call it identifying fundamental problem and realizing that the current method of action is not going to resolve anything, but will only make it worse.

Motor ingrams are set at a young age, change the paradigm with the youth and you change history... History isn't normally dictated by the actions of the aggressor, but more so by the reactions of the perceived victims of the aggression.

People are people, and at the end of the day people are animals to a certain extent. When pinned against a wall and left with only primal instinct to prove a point, primal instinct will prevail every time... From both sides.

Good Point
 

Excellent point, that's the million dollar question we don't know how to solve.

it's not solvable for most those breathing today........we literally have to live through.

It's a cancer that chemo will not cure.
It has to be cut out. And with great luck, rebuilt.

We cannot rebuild anything if our "doctors" IE leaders are making money on curing syptoms and not the illness

Why did you go off on me earlier for basically saying the same thing?


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Valid point SP but where do we draw the line? At some point it has to become a choice made by a person. I/we could have done many things in our lives but we made the choice to do or not do them. For better or worse we are where we are because of our own choices.

To me, this goes back to the upbringing that empowered you to make the decision you perceive as correct. Your decision is probably correct, but maybe I. The kind of the opposite side the perceived wrong decision has been engrained in them as the correct decision. Many factors can influence this as well, a fatherless son will more than likely make terrible decisions that are perceived as correct based on social influences (I.e. Music videos, negative influences that they look up to in popular culture, "ballers" in the neighborhood, etc...).

Your decisions can only be molded by the experiences you have had personally and perceived through lives closest to you......

Education
 

I apologize, the education part struck a nerve with me. My wife teaches high school.

No problem.


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True. As an adult the consequences of your decisions good or bad are yours to bare. Several factors mold ones decision making abilities(as you stated and are correct about) but in the end it comes down to a person having a choice.
As you stated, people learn decision making skills through example and a large segment of our society is learning from a cycle of bad examples. The irony of it is that it's a taxpayer funded cycle for the most part.

They should pass a new law stating if you are caught rioting you get stripped of all government assistance forever. This may make people think twice about it. I mean who else has time to riot! Some people have to work for a living.


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Well new reports out. Another prisoner in the van says gray inflicted harm on himself in the van.

If our forefathers hadn't rioted against oppression, we would all still be under British control. Those were some real riots, this in Baltimore is child's play. The SJWs blow it out of proportion on Facebook.