W is not qualified fer any offshore work. This dude works fer nasa. So back off or he will drop a space station or a used space shuttle on you!!!

I'm not on the little big mans side on this. Just sayin!

But the unions haven't evolved over the last 25 years. As said earlier in the early 1900's they were effective in helping protect workers but now the government handles that.

In many cases they put such a long term burden on companies that the company becomes not profitable. My biggest problem with the unions are they dont employee anyone yet so many union guys refer to themselves as union employees that work at a company. Seems to me the company's names on the paycheck and not the union. Why would you not want the company to be profitable so that you have job security?
The biggest problem unions create are the lazy worthless employees that can't be fired and for some stupid reason get paid the same as a good unioned employee. If you can't pay based on performance then it's almost impossible to be productive.

Just like the Teacher union, when is the last time you heard of a teacher getting fired because she or he just was horrible teacher??? Never

They get moved around the system until they land in a F school where they fit in perfect

Good point, I have seen my share of this.

I hope this isn't on TD. ASR-VD is searching now to make sure you didn't copy and paste.

Rofl

sammich

personally "moved" one a couple times myself......tenure is not always a good thing......

Thanks for the explanation!:rotfl::work:

Bwaaaaaaa! Coffee through the nose!!!!

uh you think??!!

I have several family members who are teachers and they all say the Union is part of the problem, when it comes to good teachers

Only way a teacher gets fired is if she or he has sex with a student

If you have seen this episode then you will get it
 

Retired aerospace worker. Life time union member. I saw them build up good wages, working conditions, and bennies.

Unions are a business! The company is your place of employment. The union is your brother that you have to support with the wages you make from the company you work for.

I agree with many here that the unions are a thing of the past and are not need as they were before. Unfortunatly there are still companys that try to get away with paying inferior wages for the work being done. When NAFTA came in during the Clinton error that was the begining of the downfall of our country. The unions were against it but still backed all the political people that pushed it through.

As a safety rep.I was representing 23 people that got put in harms way and some had eye injuries and razor cuts by various stupid pranks done by one of the workers. At the grievence hearing I recommened the person be dismissed because of his previous actions combined with the latest one. I was hauled into Union HQ and I refused to back down. They were fighting for the one individule to save his job. I was doing my job by fighting for and protecting 23 fellow workers from further injuries. I refused to give the original pictures to either the union or the company. They each had copies of the damage and injuries. Before all was said and done I was summoned to court but by the company to represent them due to my hard stance on this issue. I was relieved of my position in the union. The day before we were to go to court the company and the union settled. He was dismissed with a small lump sum payment and could never again get employment in any UTC company.

The person chosen to take my place in the union and one of my fellow workers started a petition to have me reinstated and the union reinstated me as the safety rep.

A life time union man but do not agree with a lot of what they push. They do have a way of cutting into the functioning of a company to the point of closing. The union is for the workers, yes, but they are also for themselves.

My mother's family was 100% union at one time and some were local leaders back in the 60's and 70's. They use to train the trades, provide benefits, and it was a good bang for the buck to the worker Union member (brother or sister) and the company.

I have been union and non union and went to both training schools when younger.
At one time I could weld looking into a small mirror trying to weld in a boiler where it was a tight fit to get into.
I did learn that both in a union and non union boilermaker school.
Training was going down in the union schools in early 90's while the non union schools were getting better.
Yes, I remember when I was called a scab, rat worker, etc by the same people who could not even fit in a boiler to repair them.
Union lost what made it strong from faith in the membership to trusting the rank file due to past issues of stealing people's retirements.

In late 70's and 80's they got greedy and instead of concentrating on improving training and keeping up with the times they let what made them competitive go down the toilet.

Some locations the leaders stole the members money and retirement.
Barbers Union had that done to them and a few other unions.

Some companies organized and started organizations such as ABC which is similar to the union as far as training goes.

Let's see now people have other options to find a group that not organized, competitive to market, and just as well trained.

Not hard to see the businesses wanting to go non-union.

Today the Union just a group you pay membership to and nothing to make a union worker stand out or be a value to the business owner.

Amen to that!!!!!

MADRID (Reuters) - A restructuring plan that could see up to 7,000 job losses will be revealed by Spanish airline Iberia at a meeting with labor unions on Friday, union sources said on Wednesday.
Business at Iberia, part of International Airlines Group together with British Airways, has been hit by recession and high unemployment in Spain, which remains at the center of the euro zone sovereign debt crisis.
"We have been summoned for Friday and the only thing we know is that they want to announce a massive staff layoff plan," said a spokesman at CTA, the union for land-staff personnel for Iberia, which has some 20,000 employees.
Unions have been expecting layoffs for months of between 4,000 and 7,000 workers due to the ongoing effects of Spain's recession and the progressive shifting of its short to medium distance flight routes to its low cost carrier Iberia Express.
In the first half of the year, Iberia reported an operating net loss of 263 million euros ($336.68 million). Iberia executives have said in the past they would announce a restructuring plan after the summer.
Iberia did not want to make any official comment but union sources said the company's board would meet on Wednesday to analyze both staff layoff plans and nine-month results.
"It's possible that some information could be leaked during this meeting," a union source said.
Iberia's parent IAG is due to present nine-month results and host an investor's day in London on Friday, which is a bank holiday in Madrid. ($1 = 0.7812 euros) (Reporting by Robert Hetz, writing by Jesús Aguado; editing by Tracy Rucinski, Ron Askew)

Scary part about that graph is both union and non union jobs been on the steady decrease.

China getting stronger
1. They are limiting production of minerals from their mines that are used in high tech products. Reason they claim evinroment, but they also want to gain the high tech chip mfg jobs.

2. How I would overcome this.
A. Offer tax incentives to open US mines with same minerals and ease evinronmental regulations. You still have common sense approach to make the area safe, but when go overboard something is wrong.

B. Offer tax free zones for schools to open up to train people in the mining industry within these districts.
If the business is within the district a worker pays a small fee monthly along with business to keep school up which still less than regular taxes.
If it is a small business they would also get financial help if they got a good business plan which is what small businesses need.


Same thing with chip mfg in those districts, but maybe have the chip mfg in the same area as the mines to cut shipping of minerals to mfg.
Build a transportation airport and rail line to get shipments out of area to ports in the area of the mine and mills.

Maybe with the $1.72 Million or billion we gave to the country in the middle east we could use our money to invest in our country and help small business owners grow.

Then I would take over Poland which is the Mexico of Europe and have our warehouse and airport in that country to break down our products. I would have a European and Russian setup to pass import inspections in the any country in the region and ship our products in Europe and Russia. Do small mfg over there to keep the Polish people happy.

4 years of Obama and add 4 more years to the already decline

Union workers better learn Chinese just like the rest of us.

According to the creditors’ court filing, the following Hostess executives saw substantial salary increases in July 2011:

Brian Driscoll, CEO, from around $750,000 to $2,550,000
Gary Wandscheider, EVP, $500,000 to $900,000
John Stewart, EVP, $400,000 to $700,000
David Loeser, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Kent Magill, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Richard Seban, EVP, $375,00o to $656,256
John Akeson, SVP, $300,000 to $480,000
Steven Birgfeld, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Martha Ross, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Rob Kissick, SVP, $182,000 t0 $273,008
[Note: The WSJ article observes that some executives did not take the full raise.]

Take all the money and blame it on the uni

Hey they earned that money! Big Wiggin ain't easy!

So are company executives not supposed to make money?? If you started your own business would you want someone telling you how much money you are allowed to make?

I am not saying those salaries are justified as I haven't done a comparative analysis, but the ever changing mentality in this country that it's wrong to make money has me scratching my head...

Ditto! So sick of hearing about those "evil 1%ers!" It's the name of the game, making money!

I'm gonna make as much of my business as I can and dump it in about 10-15 years if everything works out.:work:

I have stayed out of this one till now.
I have worked both union and non union jobs in the plants just by changing hard hats. In 1976 i graduated H.S. and went to see my uncle who was a B.A. for local 198 about a job. he told me then ,I'll give you a job ,but don't get to comfortable. The unions in La. have just about priced themselves out of work. He was right?

greed
 

but what mo fo needs to make 2,550,000-700,000 per year!!!! i dont give a f$$k what you can do... you aint worth that kinda money..............

Lol. If they wanna take every penny that's fine. But don't give yourself a 300% raise and the company is bankrupt a year later and blame it on the working hands lol.

Just write this down... Unions in La will be extinct by 2020

Pretty sure America will be extinct by 2020

That also

The Mayan calendar says so.

They musta knew you were gonna vote for Obama lol

Ok this is roughly 4 million in raises . For a company the size of Hostess this in not a lot of money in the (overall picture) . And it is not what put them into bancrtrupcy . BUT it does SEEM as If they knew it were coming an greed took over . And let me say I have no issue with any size salary as long as the company is profitable and it is relative to job duties , and responsibility .

I've been working in the plants now for 12 years and I have never been unemployed or ever worked for the union. When I first started working in the plants I remember there was certain break rooms and maintenance shops we couldn't go in cause it was union areas. Those were the biggest damn babies in the world! They got everything they wanted and did half the work non union contractors did and made at least double the money! They used to take 12 hours to make one 3" weld when other guys were knocking out 8 to 10 a day. And look out if you got a cup of their coffe or a snack out of their machine. I am happy to say that over the last few years you are pretty much welcomed anywhere in the plants now. Everywhere we go now it's help yourself now. Peace out union!

Bull$**** on that!!

I can damn well tell you that if I can convince someone to pay me that, I'll take it.

Please tell us o wise one - how much money should a person be allowed to make in a year? What is your wonderful equation for max salaries? Should we all drive Civics as well? Just curious where you draw the line...

That's a big 10-4 on that!

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...70617097_n.jpg

See! LOL This thread can use a bit of humor about now.

Precisely! We'd all be a 1%er if we were smart enough or motivated enough.

Idiot post of the month award!!! Would you say that if you were in the position of a successful businessman?? I don't think you would.

sammich

Says the man who never risked everything he has in order to gain...

If he made that much money he would only pocket 50 thousand and give the rest to Obama!

I want all the money I can possibly bleed out.... The more you can make the more you can spend ....

I love money ... Wish I was a MLB player

Mo money....Mo problems!

I'll take mo problems!!

Sounds like those "union hands" you hate so much...

No Union here .... Because if can't do my job someone will

That's why I'm good at what I do and got where I am