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duckman1911 08-12-2015 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by evidrine (Post 768361)
Also, I'm in my early thirties. Hardly a youngster anymore. Anyways.
Wouldn't say you're a youngster. I'll be 40 next week. Have run about 15, 000 rnds through mu primary comp gun. Another 5/10 k through my other handguns. If ypu wana add in rifle play and hunting we gota be getting close to the 100k mark.

evidrine 08-12-2015 10:15 PM
Well I was accused of being a "hard headed youngster" a little while ago. Just thought I should clear things up.

evidrine 08-12-2015 10:17 PM
I wish I could still shoot that much. With the price of ammo now I have to be careful or i will go broke. It's easy to get carried away though.

Renegade 08-13-2015 04:34 AM
I wonder what God thinks about a security team with guns in the church.

If a pastor feels the need to have armed security, what does that say about his relationship with God (or lack thereof)?

duckman1911 08-13-2015 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 768413)
I wonder what God thinks about a security team with guns in the church.

If a pastor feels the need to have armed security, what does that say about his relationship with God (or lack thereof)?
Actually I believe God would be all for it. There are many references in the bible about a shepherd protecting his flock.

CajunChristian 08-13-2015 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 768413)
I wonder what God thinks about a security team with guns in the church.

If a pastor feels the need to have armed security, what does that say about his relationship with God (or lack thereof)?
Matthew 10:22
Nehemiah 4:9

It says that, although he is a man of God, he cannot control evil.
[SIZE=3]Because we live in a real world in which he recognizes the dangers that are present. To do otherwise is to stick our heads in the sand and ignore an ever-present danger among us[/SIZE]

Vidrine and Duck, I didn't intend to insult you calling you youngsters. To me, you are youngsters, I did my first gig with the Sheriff's Office in 1969, at the age of 16. COMPARED to my old butt, you are youngsters, my youngest daughter is 40, to me, she is still a youngster. It is meant as an endearing term, not an insult.

On a lighter note, let me invite you both to our show Saturday night. I am one of the owners of VFA, Vengeance Fighting Alliance. We promote MMA fights. Saturday at 7 pm in the Rosa Hart Theater at the LC Civic Center, we have 12 bouts. I'll get you comp tickets to come and enjoy the show just so I can meet you. I won't be on the computer much from now till Sunday, busy erecting the cage and getting everything ready for the show. Take a look www.vfamma.com
D
Check out some of our last fights on facebook.

duckman1911 08-13-2015 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by evidrine (Post 768395)
I wish I could still shoot that much. With the price of ammo now I have to be careful or i will go broke. It's easy to get carried away though.
Yes it can get pricey in a hurry. Reloading will help with the cost if you want to shoot a lot. I even started casting my own bullets about 5 years ago. Only use those for practice though. It's extra work but I enjoy it. Something to do during those cold rainy months.

bjhooper82 08-13-2015 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 768413)
I wonder what God thinks about a security team with guns in the church.

If a pastor feels the need to have armed security, what does that say about his relationship with God (or lack thereof)?
My goodness. That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Bad things happen to good people sometimes my friend. Evil is everywhere is this screwed up world we live in.

capt coonassty 08-13-2015 11:25 AM
If this thread hasn't derailed enough times. I wonder if the Westboro Baptist Church has armed security?

Matt G 08-13-2015 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 768485)
If this thread hasn't derailed enough times. I wonder if the Westboro Baptist Church has armed security?
:rotfl: I commend Hooper for making possibly the most epic Saltycajun thread of 2015. Bravo sir! You should be proud.

Capt Coon, I seriously doubt they do. That's their whole gimmick. Come to a town and flame a solemn event such as a funeral and hope someone attempts to harm them, then sue the city for millions for failing to adequately protect them. If they had their own security, that would be defeating their purpose.

Since we discussed holsters, Church Security Teams, conceal carry vs. open carry, the legalities of carrying at a church and on private property, the inadequacies of the required firearms training, mega churches vs. small town churches, MMA, and WBC; that only leaves one question left............... 9mm or 45?

seachaser250 08-13-2015 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 768492)
:rotfl: I commend Hooper for making possibly the most epic Saltycajun thread of 2015. Bravo sir! You should be proud.

Capt Coon, I seriously doubt they do. That's their whole gimmick. Come to a town and flame a solemn event such as a funeral and hope someone attempts to harm them, then sue the city for millions for failing to adequately protect them. If they had their own security, that would be defeating their purpose.

Since we discussed holsters, Church Security Teams, conceal carry vs. open carry, the legalities of carrying at a church and on private property, the inadequacies of the required firearms training, mega churches vs. small town churches, MMA, and WBC; that only leaves one question left............... 9mm or 45?
Do the church security teams have prepared ditch bags? Do they also maintain supplies(water, non-perishables...etc) for a long term "situation"?

duckman1911 08-13-2015 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 768492)
:rotfl: I commend Hooper for making possibly the most epic Saltycajun thread of 2015. Bravo sir! You should be proud.

Capt Coon, I seriously doubt they do. That's their whole gimmick. Come to a town and flame a solemn event such as a funeral and hope someone attempts to harm them, then sue the city for millions for failing to adequately protect them. If they had their own security, that would be defeating their purpose.

Since we discussed holsters, Church Security Teams, conceal carry vs. open carry, the legalities of carrying at a church and on private property, the inadequacies of the required firearms training, mega churches vs. small town churches, MMA, and WBC; that only leaves one question left............... 9mm or 45?
.45 of course. Looking into a 8" 500S&W for a back up weapon but am having trouble finding an ankle holster for it.lm ao :)

Renegade 08-13-2015 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bjhooper82 (Post 768479)
My goodness. That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Bad things happen to good people sometimes my friend. Evil is everywhere is this screwed up world we live in.
:)

Your response and others show a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity and how Christians are to respond to evil in the world.
10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6: 10 - 17 KJV

There's nothing in those verses about using guns to "protect" yourselves. This battle between good and evil is spiritual. You don't fight spirits with guns.
38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5: 38 - 39 KJV

That one may be difficult to swallow, but to solidify the principle.
31And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. 34And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mark 8: 31 - 35 KJV

True Christians are not in the business of preserving their life on earth, but only in doing God's will. A pastor should know that.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Matthew 7: 15 - 22

Matt G 08-13-2015 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 768500)
.45 of course. Looking into a 8" 500S&W for a back up weapon but am having trouble finding an ankle holster for it.lm ao :)
DeSantis got dat ;)

duckman1911 08-13-2015 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 768503)
:)

Your response and others show a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity and how Christians are to respond to evil in the world.
10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6: 10 - 17 KJV

There's nothing in those verses about using guns to "protect" yourselves. This battle between good and evil is spiritual. You don't fight spirits with guns.
38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5: 38 - 39 KJV

That one may be difficult to swallow, but to solidify the principle.
31And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. 34And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mark 8: 31 - 35 KJV

True Christians are not in the business of preserving their life on earth, but only in doing God's will. A pastor should know that.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Matthew 7: 15 - 22
Could one also argue that not defending yourself in the face of death would be suicide?

Renegade 08-13-2015 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 768507)
Could one also argue that not defending yourself in the face of death would be suicide?
One can argue what they wish.

Stephen did not commit suicide. Nor did he resist his killers.
54When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. 59And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Acts 7: 54 - 60

Stephen knew something:
10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


Matthew 5: 10 - 12 KJV

tboy 08-13-2015 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 768506)
DeSantis got dat ;)
Gonna have to pair it with some bell-bottoms.....:work:

Matt G 08-13-2015 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tboy (Post 768512)
Gonna have to pair it with some bell-bottoms.....:work:
If they were cool enough for Elvis then they're cool enough for me.

Spunt Drag 08-13-2015 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 768503)
:)

Your response and others show a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity and how Christians are to respond to evil in the world.
10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6: 10 - 17 KJV

There's nothing in those verses about using guns to "protect" yourselves. This battle between good and evil is spiritual. You don't fight spirits with guns.
38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5: 38 - 39 KJV

That one may be difficult to swallow, but to solidify the principle.
31And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. 34And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mark 8: 31 - 35 KJV

True Christians are not in the business of preserving their life on earth, but only in doing God's will. A pastor should know that.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Matthew 7: 15 - 22
Lmao

duckman1911 08-13-2015 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 768518)
If they were cool enough for Elvis then they're cool enough for me.
So you sayin I should go with bell bottoms instead of speedos and crocs? Its pretty dang hot right now bro and that polyester chaffs a little in some spots.

evidrine 08-13-2015 09:15 PM
So I guess David was wrong when asked God to guide his stone when he took down Goliath? Not a modern weapon, but a weapon none the less. Turning the other cheek is good but not when it means losing your life for it. I have a family that relies on me to come home every day and also to protect them in every way necessary. We will all leave this world when our time comes. It isn't our job to speed things up by allowing someone else to decide when that is.

duckman1911 08-13-2015 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 768506)
DeSantis got dat ;)
Checked. On backorder :(
Lm f ao

duckman1911 08-13-2015 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 768511)
One can argue what they wish.

Stephen did not commit suicide. Nor did he resist his killers.
54When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. 59And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Acts 7: 54 - 60

Stephen knew something:
10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


Matthew 5: 10 - 12 KJV
In the book of Luke didn't Jesus instruct his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords?

duckman1911 08-13-2015 11:26 PM
Renegade ponder this long and hard. I pray it never happens but if it did would your last though be God I'm coming or God I want to live?

duckman1911 08-13-2015 11:40 PM
To think that God is not a warrior is nuts. To think that God does not approve of self defense is nuts. The bible has so many passages that show that defense of ones self and others is justified. Cowering like a beaten dog is not looked well upon. God is a warrior of the utmost degree. Michael and Gabriel were two of Gods fighters.

Renegade 08-13-2015 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 768639)
Renegade ponder this long and hard. I pray it never happens but if it did would your last though be God I'm coming or God I want to live?
Silly question.

Jesus Christ himself struggled with giving up his own life. He had the power to destroy Pontius Pilate and everybody else. But, he didn't. He was obedient and gave up his life because something more beneficial was on the other side.

If I was truly a Christian - truly Christ-like - I hope I'd have the faith to know God's will is better than mine.

I would hope to be like the faithful servant Job:
Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him. - Job 13: 15 KJV

Renegade 08-13-2015 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 768640)
To think that God is not a warrior is nuts. To think that God does not approve of self defense is nuts. The bible has so many passages that show that defense of ones self and others is justified. Cowering like a beaten dog is not looked well upon. God is a warrior of the utmost degree. Michael and Gabriel were two of Gods fighters.
'Tis true. God is a warrior.

However:
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Romans 12: 19 KJV

evidrine 08-14-2015 07:57 AM
Vengeance and self protection are two completely different things brother

Andy C 08-14-2015 12:00 PM
Yall can quot the " book" all yall want there's a passage that will cover every point of view!! Cause there all out of content read a page or two before or after your "quotes and no the real meaning" then it all makes sense before just posting random points that fit your agenda!!!

Yall would be surprised what you can learn

Renegade 08-14-2015 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy C (Post 768679)
Yall can quot the " book" all yall want there's a passage that will cover every point of view!! Cause there all out of content read a page or two before or after your "quotes and no the real meaning" then it all makes sense before just posting random points that fit your agenda!!!

Yall would be surprised what you can learn
If you have a clearer understanding, you're welcome to provide it. Evidence to back your opinion helps. It may be required.
9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isaiah 28: 9 - 10
Hmmm. Line upon line. Precept upon precept.
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

1 Thessalonians 5: 21
Enough said.

duckman1911 08-14-2015 12:34 PM
People can handle their faith anyway they want to. I just know that if anyone puts me or my family in danger things are going to get bad fast. I'll talk to the good Lord about it afterwards.

fishfighter 08-14-2015 12:38 PM
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Andy C 08-14-2015 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 768685)
People can handle their faith anyway they want to. I just know that if anyone puts me or my family in danger things are going to get bad fast. I'll talk to the good Lord about it afterwards.

Times a 1000% but not going to go looking for it.

Andy C 08-14-2015 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 768684)
If you have a clearer understanding, you're welcome to provide it. Evidence to back your opinion helps. It may be required.
9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isaiah 28: 9 - 10
Hmmm. Line upon line. Precept upon precept.
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

1 Thessalonians 5: 21
Enough said.

You just quoted two different books!! So pick a book and read and understand it for yourself not what someone tells you to believe!!! You do know that was 8 books wrote into one?? And it's been reworked a ton of times over the centery's to fit"peoples needs" that's way people took the long boat ride from Europe to come to the new world!!
I pry every night nothing ever bad happens to mine, or any of my salty Cajun family, that anyone ever has to protect there self. But taking random quotes out of a book to fit your agenda don't work for me! And yes I said two pages either way maybe you need to read ten pages before and after your quote!!
Bty what happened to the ten comments?? If you believe in them then there's no worry about somone walking in your church shooting or your wife ever cheating on you!!!

Andy C 08-14-2015 02:08 PM
[QUOTE=Renegade;768684]If you have a clearer understanding, you're welcome to provide it. Evidence to back your opinion helps. It may be required.
9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isaiah 28: 9 - 10
Hmmm. Line upon line. Precept upon precept.
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

1 Thessalonians 5: 21
Enough said.[/QUOTE

So you got 9 and 10 right, and skip to 21?? That's my point there's a quote to fit everyones needs.
Not saying your better then me or I am better then you!! To each there own! That's whats wrong with this country now we left Europe, ( before it was the middle east)
For religious freedom ! Now I bet you don't know ten people that have been to his birth place, or crufication site. That's a life changing experience!! Try it before you quote just what you here in church and quote random passages that you take out of context!!!

CajunChristian 08-14-2015 03:03 PM
Andy and Duck, I agree with you 1000%. Folks love to quote bits and pieces of scripture to suit their opinion.
Why would the Good Lord put so much survival instinct in people? It's nothing we did, God put it there. Quote anything you want to, I'll continue to teach Church Security Teams. As for the old "if I need a gun, I ain't going to church", just another excuse. If a person does not want to go to church, they'll find an excuse, and that's fine. But don't use the dumbest argument in the world. I guess you don't carry life jackets in your boat, why should you, no fire extinguisher either, you'll never need it. I guess you stay away from places you might need that fire extinguisher. Truth be known, an honest, decent, law abiding person needs to be armed EVERYWHERE they go. Sorry, but we don't get a few days notice when thuggery will take place. FLAME AWAY!
D

Andy C 08-14-2015 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CajunChristian (Post 768701)
Andy and Duck, I agree with you 1000%. Folks love to quote bits and pieces of scripture to suit their opinion.
Why would the Good Lord put so much survival instinct in people? It's nothing we did, God put it there. Quote anything you want to, I'll continue to teach Church Security Teams. As for the old "if I need a gun, I ain't going to church", just another excuse. If a person does not want to go to church, they'll find an excuse, and that's fine. But don't use the dumbest argument in the world. I guess you don't carry life jackets in your boat, why should you, no fire extinguisher either, you'll never need it. I guess you stay away from places you might need that fire extinguisher. Truth be known, an honest, decent, law abiding person needs to be armed EVERYWHERE they go. Sorry, but we don't get a few days notice when thuggery will take place. FLAME AWAY!
D

Agree, so yall have fire drills at your place of worship ?
If not yall should, seeing how yall have that many people.
Smoke and fire kills waymore people in panic then guns. We have real candles in my church so fire is a real threat that scares me, being a fireman, and now there's drills just out of the blue, and everyone knows what to do/ where to go. Not just panic and stampead to the closest exists I understand your church is way larger, and a fire is worse then a firearm show down, but it should be part of every house,school,church,place of work to practice a fire or shooting. Cause mass panic kills!! More then fire or a shooter ! Just something yall might consider in yalls training or to maybe put in it to be more effective if a threat ever dose happens prying it never does to anyone.
But have seen what happens when everyone is not on the same page and panic hits, wither a family of 3 or ten thousand, hopefully you can incorporate that into your house and your place of worship.

Dogface 08-14-2015 05:54 PM
I totally agree with you guys. You can't take one verse of scripture out of context and make your argument. I laugh when I hear folks use the verse "eat, drink and be merry". They never use the verse that follows that says "you fool, tomorrow you will die". CC, keep up the good work of protecting your church family. We will continue doing the same at our church. God bless

CajunChristian 08-14-2015 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy C (Post 768705)
Agree, so yall have fire drills at your place of worship ?
If not yall should, seeing how yall have that many people.
Smoke and fire kills waymore people in panic then guns. We have real candles in my church so fire is a real threat that scares me, being a fireman, and now there's drills just out of the blue, and everyone knows what to do/ where to go. Not just panic and stampead to the closest exists I understand your church is way larger, and a fire is worse then a firearm show down, but it should be part of every house,school,church,place of work to practice a fire or shooting. Cause mass panic kills!! More then fire or a shooter ! Just something yall might consider in yalls training or to maybe put in it to be more effective if a threat ever dose happens prying it never does to anyone.
But have seen what happens when everyone is not on the same page and panic hits, wither a family of 3 or ten thousand, hopefully you can incorporate that into your house and your place of worship.
Andy, when I speak at Churches, I use facts. I say nothing about numbers of people killed by fires in church or gun violence in church unless I can back it up with statistics. To simply say "more people are killed by fire in church than gun violence", according to what statistics, what is your source of those "facts"? When you speak before churches about security, you have to have your facts straight and provable by data.
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marty f 08-14-2015 10:57 PM
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