W, winning is getting the limit changed back to 25....so until then, you are LOSING.....sorry to bust your bubble.

Btw, I think it should be 25..

Show me some proof from biologist that supports this above??? We proved over and over on our issue with facts
If you show me one biological fact on this issue I will shut up

Ding ding ding!!! Winner winner Chicken Dinner!!! We found something you two can agree on!!

Like you said you know more than all of us and 99% of the people on this site are office fishermen. Some of us have aluminum boats, some throw shrimp, some do not have a Haynie. Out of our 6,000 members, you are down to about 10 that you respect and are your people. The rest of us are not worthy of your time so I won't bother.

What I might do is create a subsection on the site just for you and your very small band of followers.

I'm done, I had no reason to be in this conversation in the first place other than I wanted people to see you for what you really are. I think they get the picture now.

On the Oyster issue, just go back a couple of posts and read your own quotes. Seems like we were on the same page then. That was before office politics got the best of you Mr. President.

Somebody find something even if you gotta resort to the "Obama" way and make it up so he will SHUTUP.


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You proved what???? I never said I supported oysterfisherman but my fact on the subject is pure speculation (as yall see it) you said show facts....prove

Your telling me I can't get a limit change with hard evidence right ??? Show me hard evidence on oysterfishing other that observing it everyday


Have I ever posted things from biologist about oysters ??


This don't change my thinking one bit, I hope they ban them for 1000 years

My point proven.....you have no facts to support oyster banning you jumped the gun by acting like you wanted to change the topic but when called out to show us some facts to support your cause .
You come up with ways to try to make me look bad

Wrong you lost this debate from jumping on a subject that you can not base nothing more than speculation or hear say


Again I rest my case ..Case Closed on Oyster dredging
Next ??

if they ban oyster fishing wont people who oyster fish lose their jobs because they cant oyster fish any more.

Maybe the lack of oysters is what has caused the apparent decrease in big trout, maybe it is cold winters that we had in 2009 and 2010, maybe it is due to the red tide we had two summers ago, maybe it is due to salinity levels, maybe it is due to the weirs finally having an impact with less bait in the lake, maybe it is due to fishing pressure or maybe it is due to the limit reduction.

Let's assume Math Geeks data is right (because you can't spell data). You have failed to address what others have pointed out to be large flaws in your logic of raising the limit resulting in more big trout.

At the end of the day I am according to you just another office fishermen and I have you so punch drunk you can't see straight. You had better be ready for people that ask for more difficult questions than me when you bring this to Baton Rouge.

I still remain fairly neutral on the limits but I cannot support this crusade led by you, if others want to that is up to them. You have waffled to many times in the past and your background and attitude towards others will kill are too much for me to be involved. I will help on the oyster issue if you flip back over to being opposed to "oyster rapping" as you called it.

Otherwise this has been an entertaining thread.

I have some work to do at the office if you can imagine that, take care.

w why dont you go do figure 8s around the boats dredging for oysters if you hate it so much you hate pilgrims and politics and you do it to them maybe it will teach them a lesson not to mess up your reefs

Yep but W has already figured that part out, see below which he posted in 2011.



We are not wanting to take any jobs away.,,, your missing the point...we have no beds left and we do not seed...so the ones who don't care and just want a fast in and out buck should have to work for it.... If the want to come tong come tong..but right now you have 250 boats dredging on 6 reefs... I promise if they ban dredging and go to tong only for anyone who wants to oyster... You will have 25-30 boats working... And BTW I crawfished for 8 years and I know how hard that BS is.....

w thinks data is the little kid from the goonies

pahahhahahahah X 10000000.....

http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/et...BeckThesis.pdf

alot of info here but this is a study on several sites including a comparision of the north and south ends of big lake.......maybe someone smarter than me can interpet it. its on the effects of oyster dredging. i personally don't care either way what ever is best for the lake.....probly both

Its not oyster dredgers messing up the reefs, its office pilgrims dragging their power poles

1st off I didnt ask for anyone support but one guy on here and he is the only one I need...this is not a boycott bandwagon. I can do all the damage I need in News papers, news stations and Magazines
I don't need an army ...

Btw..did you find that oyster dredging fact

LMAO !!

i just post one

W, it's just the way the world goes. Your fight for limits to be put back to where they should be is one that, can't be won without some very high ups getting on-board. And I'm afraid that they have to much vested to reverse their mistake. We've seen the lake in it's prime and will most likely never experience that ability to catch the quality of fish that was once an everyday occurance. Now you really have to work to catch the 7, 8, 9 lbers. And I'm afraid that the rest of the state will be at the 15 fish limit sooner that later. YES, there is NO biological info to support the current limits. But that doesn't matter.
The matter of oyster fishing on the lake should only be allowed with tongs, it's really hard to move that much reef with them.

W, I love how you use the word "we" so much. If you weren't looking for support (attention)....why did you post a "pole" to find out who was in agreement with you? Jeff Poe knows alot more about the goings-on in Big Lake than you, yet, he does not have facts that 100% prove that the limit reduction was a bad thing. Nobody cares what you think because you are too wishy-washy. You do the very same thing in the Sports Bar time after time. Chicken proved that and you had no defense to state otherwise.

BTW, Will Drost must have had the evidence to get the limit reduced because he sure got it done.

Just read thought that...that says zero about hurting Big Lake....they only thing mention was how north end stays closed which it has always been closed and water temps....lol

no you didn't read it it says that the live oysters on the north end supports marine life alot better than the destroyed reefs on the south ends. the north end has larger clusters and is able to support the stuff for the bait to eat.

I think the oyster issue is more important, but when I consider the challenge for data, I have to concede that I have not seen as much data on the oyster issue in Calcasieu as I have on the trout limit issue. My convictions on the oyster issue come more from the historical decline of Galveston Bay and Chesapeake Bay fisheries after the oyster reefs were dramatically over harvested in these systems. However, there were other pollution and urban run-off factors that are not present in Calcasieu. The reason so little data is available in Calcasieu is that the issue only started to become as serious as I believe it is now in 2010. Usually it takes some time for studies to be conducted and the data to become available. So the absence of data is not evidence for the absence of a serious problem. Calcasieu might be more resilient with respect to other estuaries with regards to the decimation of its oyster reefs. I don't think so, but there is too little data at this time.

Since the trout limit change occurred in 2006, there has been more time for data to emerge, though I think the data is not really definitive. The data is rather compelling that the problem is real and raising the limit would probably improve both the overall health of the ecosystem and be likely to increase the number of larger trout by improving growth rates and body condition. However, the available data shows that there is not likely a looming disaster, only an opportunity for improvement.

The oyster issue is probably more important in the long run, and I hope folks keep their eyes open for data and bring hard facts into the discussion.

Great find and a valuable resource to inform this discussion. Thanks for posting the link.

Well said. I would also support tong only oyster fishing.

I agree but I also love that we showed the fishing community what a idiotic selfish greed by small few it really was

I have proven my point and I think you could call this thread a Win on limit the reduced limits

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Thank You!!!!

No no no no salty you have it all wrong according to w drost had money. If you have not realized yet that is why w started this thread to build up his salty cash so he can have the 25 trout limit put back into law

Will Drost has more influence on Big Lake than 10 W's.

I can start a thread that Obama needs to be kicked out of office and probably get 100% to agree but that don't mean he is gonna be kicked out just like even if everyone on here agrees that the limit needs changed.... you ain't won nothin because the limit is still the same.

Fwifty dawa bill, fwifty dawa bill!

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As a matter of "fact"...he's managed to make himself an even bigger loser.....if that's possible. ;)

Given what we have seen out of you W and your flip/flop on various issues you probably are not in a position to call anyone a democrat Mr. Obama sir.

Maybe he just knows how to go about getting things done and does not flip flop or call 99% of his supporters idiots like you did earlier. He might just be not only wealthier than you but smarter as well. Just a guess on my part, I could be wrong. We know he is taller.

What I find funniest about W complaining big lake is no longer a trophy lake....




When does W only go out after Big Female Trout?! I have never seen him post up pics or a report about targeting and catching one or two big girls, only how he has a deck full of 13" trout.


I think someone wants to have 50 fish instead of 30 fish so their internet penis will be bigger.
:rolleyes:

my .02 :smokin:

Now that is funny right there, I don't care who you are!:grinpimp:

Yeah, and catch 'em before 8:00 am.

Unless W is soakin' bait in the channel in August, all the bigger fish he catches comes off them reefs with the 12-18'ers.

Keep in mind tho...he has stated that big trout are easy to catch and he can catch 'em anytime he wants.

One would think he could have managed one in any of those tourneys he's fished.

That has to be one the funniest things I've heard all day. Lmbo


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Me too!

I would also.

I think you have a strong opinion and a nice theory but you have no facts or any scientific proof that the reduced limit is the cause of fewer big trout in the lake. Especially with the many variables in place now like oyster dredging and more fishing pressure. All that has to be taken into account. No scientific data suggested a reduced limit was neccesary and there is still no scientific data to suggest that it caused a reduced number of large trout.

Exactly right, well said.

Can those who target only large trout post up some pics? Or some numbers from the past years? Be very interesting to see.

So W, serious question...
What is your goal / time frame on trying to get the limit changed back to 25....

IMO, Chicken should be responsible for coming up with another interesting topic of conversation "cents" he was the one that put the "breaks" on this one.

:smokin:

Not trying to throw names out, but stulb catches plenty of big trout. Wish he would chime in on this thread.

sammich

and he's a real class act on the water...:cool:

LMAO....yall done pissed someone off.... Got a email that have yall by name....you know the office fisherman....who went to Baton Rouge..Lamar

This dude threw it down with dates, times, how voted what , who the puppets on the strings were....who is still a puppet on a string....the one who writes the checks to a organization.



Chicken ..its got a lot of names but its legit...can I post it...(I promise the ones who get butthurt should get it)

No way to tell how many big trout this dude catches because he doesn't start an internet thread every time he gets a bite. If I could choose someone to take me big trout fishing...he would be at the top of my list.