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Mako19 04-08-2015 01:06 PM

Walter Scott MURDERED in Cold Blood by a Killer Cop
 
I know law enforcement officers have to deal with a lot and sometimes are forced to make a tough decision to ensure they protect their own safety.

It is my opinion that MOST of the time an officer must fire his weapon and a jury decides he was wrong in doing so, it is a decision that he made in the heat of the moment and was an honest mistake. Recently, LEO have been under scrunity which I think a lot of racists like Reverend AL Sharpton blow up into something it should not be.

However, when I saw this video my blood pressure went up and my heart rate increased. Up until this video surfaced the local police department had this ruled as a clean and legal shoot because the officer felt his life was in danger.

This officer should be sentenced to DEATH the same as any other criminal who murders someone. I hope the trial is a long and drawn out one so that EVERY inmate in the prison gets a chance to do whatever they want to do to a KILLER COP!

This *** hole emptied his magazine on an unarmed man 20' away from him that was running away from him! I know the guy was breaking the law by running, may be a drug dealer or thug, and may have even done things worse than that.

But that is for a jury to decide and this trigger happy SOB had the mind frame that he has the authority to murder someone is a serious issue that is probably deeply engrained in his entire department.

I am not sure why this video made me so mad. I usually feel that when a cop shoots a criminal the criminal did something to provoke it and had it coming. But this is just flat out COLD-BLOODED MURDER in my opinion.

What are ya'll thoughts?

See Raw Footage of Walter Scott Shooting:
http://nbcnews.to/1E2k228

marty f 04-08-2015 01:22 PM

Never shoot ANYONE in the back, there are very little viable reasons, and you have no defense. How was this cops life in danger when the person was running AWAY? Been around guns all my life carried all my adult life, been to MANY MANY classes and live shooting scenario training. Unless youre at WAR, never shoot someone in the back unless immanent danger to life (yours or others) is obvious. About the only time Id pull the trigger on someone running away is you would have to be in my house running down the hallway to my sons/daughters room, then Im going to blast ya

Mako19 04-08-2015 01:24 PM

Think about how many times police officers have gotten away with stuff like this before cell phones Cameras.

Top Dawg 04-08-2015 01:28 PM

I don't know what we would do without these cops performing unconstitutional stops without probable cause. Or hiding waitin for that expired inspection sticker to pass. Don't even get me started on window tint. Could u imagine the chaos?





Yes. That pos deserves what he'll get in prison.

Mako19 04-08-2015 01:36 PM

Hey, I don't mind a cop finding a minor violation on a suspicious vehicle to make a stop if it means my wife and daughter will be even A LITTLE BIT safer next time they want to take a walk. But that SOB just didn't want to chase down the suspect so he took it upon himself to end his life....not with 1 shot or even 3 shots. He emptied his damn magazine and was still firing while the suspect was collapsing.

"W" 04-08-2015 01:42 PM

So the officer fired 1 shot and guy keeps running? Don't run don't get shot

Listen to law enforcement don't get shot

Amazing how people judge things like this
If guys turns around puts hands behind back and does as officers says ... He lives but yet he runs

Nickt87 04-08-2015 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako19 (Post 748032)
I know law enforcement officers have to deal with a lot and sometimes are forced to make a tough decision to ensure they protect their own safety.

It is my opinion that MOST of the time an officer must fire his weapon and a jury decides he was wrong in doing so, it is a decision that he made in the heat of the moment and was an honest mistake. Recently, LEO have been under scrunity which I think a lot of racists like Reverend AL Sharpton blow up into something it should not be.

However, when I saw this video my blood pressure went up and my heart rate increased. Up until this video surfaced the local police department had this ruled as a clean and legal shoot because the officer felt his life was in danger.

This officer should be sentenced to DEATH the same as any other criminal who murders someone. I hope the trial is a long and drawn out one so that EVERY inmate in the prison gets a chance to do whatever they want to do to a KILLER COP!

This *** hole emptied his magazine on an unarmed man 20' away from him that was running away from him! I know the guy was breaking the law by running, may be a drug dealer or thug, and may have even done things worse than that.

But that is for a jury to decide and this trigger happy SOB had the mind frame that he has the authority to murder someone is a serious issue that is probably deeply engrained in his entire department.

I am not sure why this video made me so mad. I usually feel that when a cop shoots a criminal the criminal did something to provoke it and had it coming. But this is just flat out COLD-BLOODED MURDER in my opinion.

What are ya'll thoughts?

See Raw Footage of Walter Scott Shooting:
http://nbcnews.to/1E2k228

My true thoughts?

I can't say that he was probably doing something he shouldn't have because I have ZERO knowledge on why he was approached by police or the reason he fled.

But to flee from law enforcement is the only other cardinal sin other than shooting at them.

What if the cop was unable to capture Wallace and Wallace went on to run through peoples homes, steal vehicles to flee, or harm innocent victims enroute to freedom? What if Wallace would have turned a corner and hid to ambush the officer with a gun or knife?

A Jeanerette officer lost control of his vehicle yesterday and was killed bc he pursued a fleeing suspect rather than terminate the problem at the beginning. I doubt his wife and children are glad he made that decision.

Bottom Line. #1 Don't do anything that will attract law enforcement #2 if you are approached by them don't flee or shoot at them, at that point you are asking for it.

Do I think that just because someone flees from the police it automatically gives the police the right to shoot them. Yes, it is law enforcements priority to protect society, at the point of flight you are immediately/gravely endangering others around you.

Nickt87 04-08-2015 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty f (Post 748035)
Never shoot ANYONE in the back, there are very little viable reasons, and you have no defense. How was this cops life in danger when the person was running AWAY? Been around guns all my life carried all my adult life, been to MANY MANY classes and live shooting scenario training. Unless youre at WAR, never shoot someone in the back unless immanent danger to life (yours or others) is obvious. About the only time Id pull the trigger on someone running away is you would have to be in my house running down the hallway to my sons/daughters room, then Im going to blast ya

It's not about endandering just the officers life. What about the innocent bystanders that are about to be put in the line of fire during a pursuit.

Crankbait36 04-08-2015 01:46 PM

Maybe if people would obey officers orders they wouldn't get shot!

"W" 04-08-2015 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 748044)
My true thoughts?

I can't say that he was probably doing something he shouldn't have because I have ZERO knowledge on why he was approached by police or the reason he fled.

But to flee from law enforcement is the only other cardinal sin other than shooting at them.

What if the cop was unable to capture Wallace and Wallace went on to run through peoples homes, steal vehicles to flee, or harm innocent victims enroute to freedom? What if Wallace would have turned a corner and hid to ambush the officer with a gun or knife?

A Jeanerette officer lost control of his vehicle yesterday and was killed bc he pursued a fleeing suspect rather than terminate the problem at the beginning. I doubt his wife and children are glad he made that decision.

Bottom Line. #1 Don't do anything that will attract law enforcement #2 if you are approached by them don't flee or shoot at them, at that point you are asking for it.

Do I think that just because someone flees from the police it automatically gives the police the right to shoot them. Yes, it is law enforcements priority to protect society, at the point of flight you are immediately/gravely endangering others around you.


Point dead on!!! It's real simple

Don't run just obey the officer and live

Hell worst case the suspect will get a free lawyer and spend some jail time but let's place facts

The Suspect ; keyword here is "he Choose" to run

One thing is for sure

He won't do it again

marty f 04-08-2015 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 748045)
It's not about endandering just the officers life. What about the innocent bystanders that are about to be put in the line of fire during a pursuit.

Its all about situational awareness. Where was this guy running to? Looked like a fenced in area, hell this guy was 50 yrs old didn't look like he could jump a rope much less a fence, Never the less all we have is a video of the immediate area, not the surroundings. On the other hand why was this 50 yr old man running from the cops? Hell I would think by 50, one would understand DONT RUN FROM THE COPS, it never ends well for the runner.

All Im sayin is this cop better have some SERIOUS evidence to shot someone in the back

Nickt87 04-08-2015 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty f (Post 748049)
Its all about situational awareness. Where was this guy running to? Looked like a fenced in area, hell this guy was 50 yrs old didn't look like he could jump a rope much less a fence, Never the less all we have is a video of the immediate area, not the surroundings. On the other hand why was this 50 yr old man running from the cops? Hell I would think by 50, one would understand DONT RUN FROM THE COPS, it never ends well for the runner.

All Im sayin is this cop better has some SERIOUS evidence to shot someone in the back


Never underestimate the ability of a fleeing criminal. And at the point of flight he immediately becomes a criminal. What if he ran across a flat road with no fence/barriers and the cop was so focused on catching the criminal that he was hit by a passing vehicle. The "what ifs" are countless. This criminal shouldn't have been trying out for the Jamaican Sprint Team and he would be alive and well enjoying the Food, Air Conditioning, and Cable I pay for. Now we're paying for a "just" trial for a dead criminal.

Mako19 04-08-2015 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 748044)
My true thoughts?

I can't say that he was probably doing something he shouldn't have because I have ZERO knowledge on why he was approached by police or the reason he fled.

But to flee from law enforcement is the only other cardinal sin other than shooting at them.

What if the cop was unable to capture Wallace and Wallace went on to run through peoples homes, steal vehicles to flee, or harm innocent victims enroute to freedom? What if Wallace would have turned a corner and hid to ambush the officer with a gun or knife?

A Jeanerette officer lost control of his vehicle yesterday and was killed bc he pursued a fleeing suspect rather than terminate the problem at the beginning. I doubt his wife and children are glad he made that decision.

Bottom Line. #1 Don't do anything that will attract law enforcement #2 if you are approached by them don't flee or shoot at them, at that point you are asking for it.

Do I think that just because someone flees from the police it automatically gives the police the right to shoot them. Yes, it is law enforcements priority to protect society, at the point of flight you are immediately/gravely endangering others around you.

I understand your points and see how some people may agree with them. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. I also agree that the guy was asking for trouble when he ran from the officer. you still can't shoot a man in the back.

If the suspect was wielding a weapon, driving dangerously while fleeing, or acting violently (which I do not know if he was or not prior to the start of the video) I would probably agree with your opinion about the officer having the right to shoot him in the back while he was 20' away running in the opposite direction....you know, to protect society.

The amount of times this trigger happy officer fired and the way he planted the taster next to him confirms, in my mind, that the officer knew that the shooting was unnecessary from the second he raised his firearm up until he stood over the man and watched him take his last breath.

Like I said this is my opinion and the reason I posted was to hear other people's opinions. Hearing yours does give me another point of view that I had not previously considered.

marty f 04-08-2015 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 748054)
Never underestimate the ability of a fleeing criminal. And at the point of flight he immediately becomes a criminal. What if he ran across a flat road with no fence/barriers and the cop was so focused on catching the criminal that he was hit by a passing vehicle. The "what ifs" are countless. This criminal shouldn't have been trying out for the Jamaican Sprint Team and he would be alive and well enjoying the Food, Air Conditioning, and Cable I pay for. Now we're paying for a "just" trial for a dead criminal.

The "What ifs" wont exonerate this cop, "Just that facts Ma'am" (Joe Friday) and that we here in the armchair jury do not have. but I do know this, there better be some hard core facts for justification for shooting someone in the back.

Im all for you do the crime, you do the time, as well the punishment should fit the crime........... wonder what they were having a confrontation about? Was it worth running from the cops or being shot over? We may never know

Mako19 04-08-2015 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 748054)
Never underestimate the ability of a fleeing criminal. And at the point of flight he immediately becomes a criminal. What if he ran across a flat road with no fence/barriers and the cop was so focused on catching the criminal that he was hit by a passing vehicle. The "what ifs" are countless. This criminal shouldn't have been trying out for the Jamaican Sprint Team and he would be alive and well enjoying the Food, Air Conditioning, and Cable I pay for. Now we're paying for a "just" trial for a dead criminal.

From a "what if" stand point you make a pretty good case for shooting a man in the back.

It's easy to play the "what if" card:
"what if" that officer, who obviously has an issue with thinking he is above the law, is known for harassing and beating suspects for no reason? Then, the guy had a good reason to run from him.

One thing is for certain. The law is VERY clear and it states that NO ONE, not a good semaritan with a CCL like martf, or a trigger happy officer like in the video, has the right to shoot a man in the back.

I couldn't legally shoot someone after they broke into my house if they were climbing out of the window to leave.

Hell, there is a very high profile case ongoing right now where a 20 year old man is on trial in Lafayette for killing a 15 year old and wounding 2 other kids. He shot at them as they drove away from his house. He claims they had just broke into his truck, but when he shot at them they were in a vehicle and driving away. Like the Killer Cop he will likely spend the next 30 years in prison.

ckinchen 04-08-2015 02:26 PM

I have to agree with Mako on this. Just because someone runs they deserve to die? Just because you are a copy you get to play God with someone's life?

Listen guys being a cop is one of the hardest jobs in the world. There is a video on facebook I saw of a cop in Florida that was gunned down on a traffic stop several years ago by an ex military guy. The cop let the man go into the back of his truck and pull out an assault weapon. The man was killed and left behind his wife and small children. In that case I felt like the copy should have acted sooner.

What I will say is believe it or not good people are sometimes caught in bad situations. In this instance with a man running and then being shot in the back, I can't say the shooting was justified. Also the reaction of the cop seemed very calm given the circumstances. If I were on the jury that would concern me.

It will all come down to state law. He would have a chance possibly in a state like Texas.

ckinchen 04-08-2015 02:30 PM

Another scenario might be your son and his buddy get questioned or pulled over by the police. Let' say your son and his buddy were smoking a Cig (young kid on a bike maybe) or maybe came back from rolling a house, both things they should not be doing. They get scared and take off running. It's ok to gun them down at this point because they are running from a cop right?

"W" 04-08-2015 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 748062)
Another scenario might be your son and his buddy get questioned or pulled over by the police. Let' say your son and his buddy were smoking a Cig (young kid on a bike maybe) or maybe came back from rolling a house, both things they should not be doing. They get scared and take off running. It's ok to gun them down at this point because they are running from a cop right?

Teach your kids cops are not bad they are good and here for you ?

I never grew up in fear or a cop other than obeying the law . This guy was not a 13 year old riding a bike , he was running for a reason and once confronted he Should of stopped!

Again obey law don't run and live

That's what I will teach my kids because i was raise like that !!

I mean I'm sure this guy was not the local yourth pastor handing out bibles ! Again he ran for a reason

Mako19 04-08-2015 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 748064)
Teach your kids cops are not bad they are good and here for you ?

I never grew up in fear or a cop other than obeying the law . This guy was not a 13 year old riding a bike , he was running for a reason and once confronted he Should of stopped!

Again obey law don't run and live

That's what I will teach my kids because i was raise like that !!

I mean I'm sure this guy was not the local yourth pastor handing out bibles ! Again he ran for a reason

Ok, so EVERYTHING you try to teach you kid they are going to listen and abide by?

Damn, you not only have the best job in the GOM, best guide on the lake, most rookie baseball cards EVER, but you are also the World's Greatest Parent?

Now that's what I call winning!

Sarcasm off///

Kids are not going to listen to every single thing you try to teach them, W. If you honetly believe otherwise you need to spend less time chasing the almighty $ and a little more time at home.

marty f 04-08-2015 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako19 (Post 748060)
One thing is for certain. The law is VERY clear and it states that NO ONE, not a good semaritan with a CCL like martf, or a trigger happy officer like in the video, has the right to shoot a man in the back.



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I know of a guy that shot a kid on a motorcycle cause he THOUGHT the kid on the bike was trying to run him down, the biker passed, and the guy unloads on him as he going away, That dude is now in prison for 30+ yrs. He was no longer a threat once he passed the shooter and was heading "away" is what the jury decided

"W" 04-08-2015 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako19 (Post 748066)
Ok, so EVERYTHING you try to teach you kid they are going to listen and abide by?

Damn, you not only have the best job in the GOM, best guide on the lake, most rookie baseball cards EVER, but you are also the World's Greatest Parent?

Now that's what I call winning!

Sarcasm off///

Kids are not going to listen to every single thing you try to teach them, W. If you honetly believe otherwise you need to spend less time chasing the almighty $ and a little more time at home.


You see it how you want I see it how I want

It's simple !! Can you not see simple ?

Don't run!!!!

Same crap with all this other stuff like Trayvon and the other thug a


Stop thuggen and you will not get shot !! Simple simple simple

Y'all sound like liberals !! Call Jessie Jackson

Mako19 04-08-2015 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty f (Post 748059)
wonder what they were having a confrontation about? Was it worth running from the cops or being shot over? We may never know

I read up on it a little and from what I read the man was pulled over for a driving violation. That is why he was being questioned by the cop. I am not sure how much it had escalated between the time he was pulled over until the video started, which is something that will be crucial during the trial.

Even if the suspect had punched the cop's two front teeth out when he go out of his car, as soon as he turned around and began to run away unarmed he was no longer an eminent threat and was off-limits for the use of deadly force.

ckinchen 04-08-2015 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty f (Post 748067)
I know of a guy that shot a kid on a motorcycle cause he THOUGHT the kid on the bike was trying to run him down, the biker passed, and the guy unloads on him as he going away, That dude is now in prison for 30+ yrs. He was no longer a threat once he passed the shooter and was heading "away" is what the jury decided

I may not have followed you on this. "He thought" a guy on a bike was going to run him down so he shot him dead and is now in prison for it? The guy on the bike didn't draw a weapon or make contact with him, etc?

If not then I can see why he is in jail.

ckinchen 04-08-2015 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 748069)
You see it how you want I see it how I want

It's simple !! Can you not see simple ?

Don't run!!!!

Same crap with all this other stuff like Trayvon and the other thug a


Stop thuggen and you will not get shot !! Simple simple simple

Y'all sound like liberals !! Call Jessie Jackson

My understanding is he was pulled over for having a tail light that was not working.

I'm glad the cops in your area are all great people and worthy of playing God. I know many on this site that are great men and great officers. I also know some back home in Denham Springs that were the dumbest kids in my class and always had problems with authority and now they are cops. I sure as h e l l wouldn't want one of them to be my God in this situation.

Just because the guy was black doesn't make him a Thug or a criminal, come on W. Let's not make this a race issue please, the rest of the world moved on past the race card over a decade or more ago.

Mako19 04-08-2015 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 748069)
You see it how you want I see it how I want

It's simple !! Can you not see simple ?

Don't run!!!!

Same crap with all this other stuff like Trayvon and the other thug a


Stop thuggen and you will not get shot !! Simple simple simple

Y'all sound like liberals !! Call Jessie Jackson

It's not the same as the Treyvon or other shootings to me.

That is why I took the time to pre-face my opinion in the original post with my feelings on most other law enforcement shootings that have happened recently. To make sure you guys understood my usual stance on these situations and explain that I almost always feel like the shooting was justified.

But I doubt you took the time to read a full paragraph that I typed.

In my opinion this one is way different.

marty f 04-08-2015 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 748069)

Y'all sound like liberals !! Call Jessie Jackson

Im about as hard core conservative as you can get..... really

But you don't shoot someone in the back with out just cause

ckinchen 04-08-2015 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty f (Post 748075)
Im about as hard core conservative as you can get..... really

But you don't shoot someone in the back with out just cause

Same here, exactly.

ckinchen 04-08-2015 02:52 PM

Treyvon was totally different, he was fighting with a cop. I would never blame an officer for defending themselves when attacked.

Running away is hardly an attack.

marty f 04-08-2015 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 748072)
I may not have followed you on this. "He thought" a guy on a bike was going to run him down so he shot him dead and is now in prison for it? The guy on the bike didn't draw a weapon or make contact with him, etc?

If not then I can see why he is in jail.


YEP that's it in a nut shell, There was a confrontation the guy on the bike went to leave, the shooter followed him into the street, the guy on the bike went the wrong way (dead end), turned around and headed back towards the shooter. passes shooter, guy shots him in the back

Mako19 04-08-2015 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty f (Post 748075)

But you don't shoot someone in the back 8 TIMES with out just cause

FIFY...

Nickt87 04-08-2015 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako19 (Post 748060)
From a "what if" stand point you make a pretty good case for shooting a man in the back.

It's easy to play the "what if" card:
"what if" that officer, who obviously has an issue with thinking he is above the law, is known for harassing and beating suspects for no reason? Then, the guy had a good reason to run from him.

One thing is for certain. The law is VERY clear and it states that NO ONE, not a good semaritan with a CCL like martf, or a trigger happy officer like in the video, has the right to shoot a man in the back.

I couldn't legally shoot someone after they broke into my house if they were climbing out of the window to leave.

Hell, there is a very high profile case ongoing right now where a 20 year old man is on trial in Lafayette for killing a 15 year old and wounding 2 other kids. He shot at them as they drove away from his house. He claims they had just broke into his truck, but when he shot at them they were in a vehicle and driving away. Like the Killer Cop he will likely spend the next 30 years in prison.

I didn't jump to conclusions on if the suspect was up to no good from the start, don't do so for the cop thinking he has a problem with his opinion of being above the law.

If the officer was known for beating suspects for no reason than he would've been filmed doing so and the victim would become a hero with a few bumps and bruises and be hand fed grapes by Al Sharpton on the White House lawn for the rest of his life. What if the suspect was known for carrying handguns bc he was a local drug dealer?

And don't think I am some kill happy person, I am far from it. I oppose the death penalty because I don't believe a man has the right or should have the ability to judge a man to life or death, that's God's position. But if a man is immediately/gravely endangering society than he must be subdued with appropriate force. Do I believe that shooting a man in the back could be appropriate force during an event. Yes. Was shooting a man in the back appropriate force during this event? The courts will now judge if it was the appropriate force, just like they did for Darren Wilson.

Mako19 04-08-2015 03:04 PM

I understand. I am not judging you.
Like I said everyone has their own opinions and are entitled to them.
I started this thread to hear people's different opinions and now see the situation from a different perspective due to you posting yours.

Nickt87 04-08-2015 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 748079)
Treyvon was totally different, he was fighting with a cop. I would never blame an officer for defending themselves when attacked.

Running away is hardly an attack.

Treyvon wasn't killed for fighting a cop. Michael Brown was. Treyvon was killed by a neighborhood watch wanna be cop.

ckinchen 04-08-2015 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 748092)
Treyvon wasn't killed for fighting a cop. Michael Brown was. Treyvon was killed by a neighborhood watch wanna be cop.

Yep your right, I had them mixed up.

Top Dawg 04-08-2015 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 748092)
Treyvon wasn't killed for fighting a cop. Michael Brown was. Treyvon was killed by a neighborhood watch wanna be cop.

Don't forget he was a "white" Hispanic. Whatever that means

Nickt87 04-08-2015 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 748094)
Yep your right, I had them mixed up.

Both very similar in the fact that the African American Community was calling for the "unjust killers" throats. Even after the Courts and Jurys ruled them Just. Sorry to digress from the OP.

marty f 04-08-2015 03:30 PM

For what its worth, the AP news is reporting the officer claimed "SELF DEFENCE" prior to the video coming out

NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — A white South Carolina police officer who claimed he killed an unarmed black man in self-defense has been fired, the city's mayor announced Wednesday, a day after the release of a video showing the officer firing eight shots at the fleeing man's back.

swampman46 04-08-2015 03:33 PM

The cop is screwed big time here. How many times have you watched a "Cops" episode where the cops give chase? Always. They don't shoot the suspect while he's running away. They chase. This was an idiotic act by the cop, and he will pay the price. Oh yeah, and the news media will promote the racial game with this one, problem is...this just makes the good cops look bad. I can't see any reason why he could have opened fire like that.

keakar 04-08-2015 03:34 PM

the cop had no cause at all to shoot the guy but I cant see what that thing is that went flying onto the ground as they separated, did the guy slap a taser out of the officers hand at the beginning of the video? or maybe the cop knocked a gun from out of that guys hand?

either way its still unjustified force used.

marty f 04-08-2015 03:37 PM

from the AP, again for what its worth, its the news.......... looking for some ratings

The video, shot over a chain link fence and through some trees, begins after Scott has left his car. Slager follows him, reaching at the man with an object that appears to be a Taser stun gun. As Scott pulls away, the object falls to the ground, and Slager pulls out his handgun as Scott runs away. There is no indication that Scott was ordered to halt or surrender.
The final shot sends Scott falling face-down about 30 feet away. Slager then slowly walks toward him and orders Scott to put his hands behind his back, but the man doesn't move, so he pulls Scott's arms back and cuffs his hands. The officer then walks briskly back to where he fired the shots, speaking into his radio. He picks up the same object that fell to the ground before and returns to Scott's prone body, dropping the object near Scott's feet as another officer enters the scene.
Scott had four children, was engaged and had been honorably discharged from the U.S. Coast Guard. There were no violent offenses on his record, Stewart said.

swampman46 04-08-2015 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty f (Post 748035)
About the only time Id pull the trigger on someone running away is you would have to be in my house running down the hallway to my sons/daughters room, then Im going to blast ya

And even then, a slick prosecuter could nail you for murder. Point is, you may have to prove his intended destination was your children's bedroom, and not simply trying to flee. The prosecution can make a jury believe that the intruder was retreating and you chose to kill him anyway. All is not cut and dry when shooting an intruder in your home. Get him to turn around..then blast away.

marty f 04-08-2015 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swampman46 (Post 748111)
an intruder in your home. .

theres the key element, hes was in my home, I was in fear for my childrens safety

Mr T 04-08-2015 03:50 PM

He was approached because he had an outstanding arrest warrant and identified by the cop.
BUT - have you all lost your mind? No one has the right to shoot someone unless they feel their life or the life of someone else is in danger - period. This cop is the REASON why people run from cops, especially black people. If this guy is white, I don't think the cop shoots him. He is way above the law and outright murdered this kid.
There is no justification or "don't run and live" explanation here. Don't run and you won't get arrested if you've done nothing wrong, but apparently he was wanted but that is not a capital offense.

Matt G 04-08-2015 03:51 PM

When I was in high school we got caught whipping donuts in a field. Cop asked if I had any weapons and I hand him my knife. Looking at it now, that was pretty stupid because "what if" I was a threat? He should have shot me by some of y'all reasoning. Anyways, after I handed him my knife, one of the guys that I was with decides to take off running. I panicked and took off as well. Mind you I was an honors student who had never had a run in with the law prior to that, and my family was friends with several people in law enforcement. In short, I respected cops and was taught to always obey an order from an officer. In that one moment, I panicked and all of that preaching went out the window. I didn't make it a few steps before I was caught. I'm glad that cop wasn't allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner just because I MAY HAVE been doing something dangerous......

Then W calls anyone who thinks it an absurd idea that a cop has the right to execute people for running from a cop (a misdemeanor offence RS 14:108.1), a liberal.......... So you think one low level government employee should have that much power? That's mighty liberal of you. Conservatives believe in small limited government with checks and balances, but to H E L L with facts, right? Another liberal trait I may add.

There are justifiable reasons to shoot a person in the back. That person would have to be armed though. One could argue the fact that the armed person was not fleeing, but positioning themselves to reengage. Justifiable reasons for shooting an unarmed person in the back? Snatching my kid and running. That would be the only one I could see. There is another case in Lafayette where someone witnessed a person in their house from across the street, walked over, and shot the person while they were fleeing their house. They were arrested and charged with the homicide. This officer is going to spend a while in prison for his mistake, and rightfully so.

Nickt87 04-08-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by keakar (Post 748104)
the cop had no cause at all to shoot the guy but I cant see what that thing is that went flying onto the ground as they separated, did the guy slap a taser out of the officers hand at the beginning of the video? or maybe the cop knocked a gun from out of that guys hand?

either way its still unjustified force used.

And you know this how? Because a man was shot in the back as he was fleeing law enforcement?

How do you know he was fleeing and not gaining ground for an offensive attack?

How do you know he didn't tell the officer "I'm about to run back to my car and get my gun"?

Be careful not to confuse your opinion with the actual judgment.

ckinchen 04-08-2015 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr T (Post 748114)
He was approached because he had an outstanding arrest warrant and identified by the cop.
BUT - have you all lost your mind? No one has the right to shoot someone unless they feel their life or the life of someone else is in danger - period. This cop is the REASON why people run from cops, especially black people. If this guy is white, I don't think the cop shoots him. He is way above the law and outright murdered this kid.
There is no justification or "don't run and live" explanation here. Don't run and you won't get arrested if you've done nothing wrong, but apparently he was wanted but that is not a capital offense.

One of the only good things about Texas is the castle doctrine. it's a lot tougher in Louisiana like you described above.

marty f 04-08-2015 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 748115)
When I was in high school we got caught whipping donuts in a field.

W T F ??? :rotfl::shaking::shaking::spineyes: hell I got caught with a strawberry cooler and I thought I was BAD.......... you were throwing DONUTS............. oh wait it was a COP that busted you for throwing PERFECTLY EATABLE DONUTS

Matt G 04-08-2015 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by marty f (Post 748118)
W T F ??? :rotfl::shaking::shaking::spineyes: hell I got caught with a strawberry cooler and I thought I was BAD.......... you were throwing DONUTS............. oh wait it was a COP that busted you for throwing PERFECTLY EATABLE DONUTS

:confused::confused::confused:

Whipping donuts.... Cutting ruts.... Mud riding.... What do y'all call it up north?

lil bubba 04-08-2015 04:47 PM

I had a punk not so many months ago robbed a home a few blocks away and ran and hid or thought he hid between my truck and garage door...The deputy saw him and when he knew he was spotted jumped my fence and was on side my house when the deputy had him and was trying to tase him and he got away...Now he's in my back yard and out running the deputy and they come knocking on my door at 2 am waking me up to unlock my gate so they can see if he dropped anything in my yard. The deputy says he don't know how I didn't hear him yelling at this guy to stop and while he had him on the ground on side my house....Well he was on the side my house that was separated by the garage....I assured him if I would have heard a commotion in my yard I would have come out with gun ready to fire....What that officer done was what he felt he had to do in the moment....I wasn't there.....I think it must be a hell of a lot of pressure on law enforcement these days and maybe some just collapse under the pressure.....Bottom line when officer says stop...STOP....

Mako19 04-08-2015 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lil bubba (Post 748128)
....What that officer done was what he felt he had to do in the moment....I wasn't there.....I think it must be a hell of a lot of pressure on law enforcement these days and maybe some just collapse under the pressure.....Bottom line when officer says stop...STOP....

This officer was thoroughly trained to be in EXACTLY this situation with a firearm! It's not like somebody who has a gun but has never taken a CCL class. Hell, he probably has more training than 98% of the general public when it comes to handling firearms and knowing when it is the right time to fire at someone. He had all of the resources available to him to make the right decision. He let his ego or hatred one of the two make the wrong decision for him.


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