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Swamp Critter 10-15-2010 10:24 AM

Carrying a Rifle
 
Do any of you know what the penalty or fine is for having a rifle when bow hunting? I don't do this, but yesterday I saw a video clip of someone in Louisiana on their deer stand on opening day of bow season, with a crossbow, and a 30-30 rifle. The explanation for the rifle was in case of hogs. Maybe the guy thinks that's ok, but I doubt the law would see it that way. Anyway, I was just curious. I'm pretty sure the only legal firearm to carry while bow hunting is a .22 handgun with rat shot, for protection against snakes. Have a good one guys. Thanks in advance.

Woodduck Commander 10-15-2010 10:47 AM

i think it would be ok as long as the deer isn't taken with the rifle which they would check for a bullet.

FF_T_Warren 10-15-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodduck Commander (Post 200128)
i think it would be ok as long as the deer isn't taken with the rifle which they would check for a bullet.

no its illegal to have anything bigger than 22 with ratshot while bowhunting.

LaAngler 10-15-2010 11:10 AM

it's only illegal if you get caught

Montauk17 10-15-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 200136)
it's only illegal if you get caught

:cool: Thats how I live

longsidelandry 10-15-2010 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FF_T_Warren (Post 200132)
no its illegal to have anything bigger than 22 with ratshot while bowhunting.

This is correct

wtretrievers 10-15-2010 04:09 PM

You have to notify DW&F before hand if you're hunting hogs out of regular gun season for deer. That goes for coyotes etc.

Chris Havoc 10-15-2010 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 200136)
it's only illegal if you get caught

or if you film yourself doin it and put it on youtube......

Swamp Critter 10-16-2010 07:34 AM

Anyone know what is the fine? Penalty? I figure it's fairly significant. I'd say at the very least a $100.00 fine, or hunting license suspension for a while, but I don't know.

blackmamba 10-16-2010 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Havoc (Post 200185)
or if you film yourself doin it and put it on youtube......

Lmao

Feesherman 10-19-2010 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FF_T_Warren (Post 200132)
no its illegal to have anything bigger than 22 with ratshot while bowhunting.

This is not correct. The law has changed and you can now carry your handgun.

longsidelandry 10-19-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 201100)
This is not correct. The law has changed and you can now carry your handgun.

You better read again. You can only carry a .22 pistol with ratshot.

This is from page 8 of the Louisiana Regulation pamphlet you can get just about anywhere:

IT IS UNLAWFUL TO:
1. carry a gun including those powered by air or other means while hunting with bow and arrow during the special bow and arrow deer season EXCEPT, it is lawful to carry a .22 caliber rimfire pistol loaded with #12 shot (ratshot) only.

SULPHITE 10-19-2010 01:59 PM

To clear the matter up...PDF from LDWF:

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/sites/d..._Reg_Final.pdf

Page 8 does state only .22 w/ ratshot during bow and arrow season

LaAngler 10-19-2010 02:00 PM

The laws that changed are as follows:

CC permit holder, you're allowed to carry your gun at ANYTIME on the WMA. I don't understand why the open carry person should forfeit these rights?

Active and retired law
enforcement officers in compliance
with POST requirements, Federal
Law Enforcement Officers and holders
of Louisiana concealed handgun
permits or permit holders from a
reciprocal state, who are in compliance
with all other state and federal
firearms regulations, may possess
firearms on WMAs, provided these
firearms are not used for any hunting
purpose.
"

Any gun CAN be loaded in your vehicle b/c it is an extension of your home.


http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdat...asp?did=722889

Feesherman 10-19-2010 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 201105)
The laws that changed are as follows:

CC permit holder, you're allowed to carry your gun at ANYTIME on the WMA. I don't understand why the open carry person should forfeit these rights?

Active and retired law
enforcement officers in compliance
with POST requirements, Federal
Law Enforcement Officers and holders
of Louisiana concealed handgun
permits or permit holders from a
reciprocal state, who are in compliance
with all other state and federal
firearms regulations, may possess
firearms on WMAs, provided these
firearms are not used for any hunting
purpose."

Any gun CAN be loaded in your vehicle b/c it is an extension of your home.


http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdat...asp?did=722889


Thank you, Thank you very much. I don't need to read the pamphlet again because I keep up with the laws and I know this got changed AFTER the pamphlet went to print.

SULPHITE 10-19-2010 02:31 PM

right so if your not a CC then you can only have a 22 with rat shot...if you are a CC/law enforcement you can have a pistol correct...not a rifle...wouldn't consider a rifle a CC weapon??

The first question stated was about a rifle being carried for hogs during bow season...ILLEGAL

LaAngler 10-19-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SULPHITE (Post 201121)
right so if your not a CC then you can only have a 22 with rat shot...if you are a CC/law enforcement you can have a pistol correct...not a rifle...wouldn't consider a rifle a CC weapon??

no rifle except in the truck, i'm not sure if the rule about being loaded at campsites and check stations is still valid or not.

i forgot to ask the ldwf agent about that, he did tell me I shouldn't worry about carrying on a WMA b/c they are safe. wow, really?

longsidelandry 10-19-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 201119)
Thank you, Thank you very much. I don't need to read the pamphlet again because I keep up with the laws and I know this got changed AFTER the pamphlet went to print.

Not anybody can carry though so you shouldn't go around telling people they can carry when they may not be able to. That's the point I was making.

Also, I believe the law you're referring to is only pertaining to carrying a handgun on a WMA, I don't believe it has anything to do with whether you can carry it while bow hunting.

Feesherman 10-20-2010 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by longsidelandry (Post 201136)
Not anybody can carry though so you shouldn't go around telling people they can carry when they may not be able to. That's the point I was making.

Also, I believe the law you're referring to is only pertaining to carrying a handgun on a WMA, I don't believe it has anything to do with whether you can carry it while bow hunting.

It was stated that it was illegal to have anything other than a .22 with rat shot. That is just not true.

longsidelandry 10-20-2010 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 201296)
It was stated that it was illegal to have anything other than a .22 with rat shot. That is just not true.

You can carry any kind of gun you want if you're not bow hunting. But as soon as you grab a bow, you better not have anything bigger than a .22 with rat shot. I'm going to call and email LDWF to get the exact answer on this to put it to rest.

longsidelandry 10-20-2010 09:38 AM

I just talked to a LDWF agent and he told me the following.

The ONLY way you can have anything larger than a .22 pistol with ratshot is if you carry a CC permit. If you have a permit you can carry whatever you are permitted for but you better make sure that you have the corresponding paperwork to show them when they ask for it. If you DO NOT have a CC permit then you can only carry a .22 pistol with nothing more than ratshot.
So if you don't have a CC permit then it is illegal to carry anything you want.

LaAngler 10-20-2010 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longsidelandry (Post 201298)
You can carry any kind of gun you want if you're not bow hunting. But as soon as you grab a bow, you better not have anything bigger than a .22 with rat shot. I'm going to call and email LDWF to get the exact answer on this to put it to rest.

I don't think so, see page 23 of sulphite's PDF in the firearms section. However, I think there is still come incorrect info in reference to the loaded gun rule/law.

Too many rules, regulations, and concerns. :shaking: Dismantle the police state!


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Originally Posted by longsidelandry (Post 201342)
I just talked to a LDWF agent and he told me the following.

The ONLY way you can have anything larger than a .22 pistol with ratshot is if you carry a CC permit. If you have a permit you can carry whatever you are permitted for but you better make sure that you have the corresponding paperwork to show them when they ask for it. If you DO NOT have a CC permit then you can only carry a .22 pistol with nothing more than ratshot.
So if you don't have a CC permit then it is illegal to carry anything you want.

that's part of what I understood, except during modern rifle anyone can carry open/concealed any type of gun.

Feesherman 10-20-2010 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 201343)
I don't think so, see page 23 of sulphite's PDF in the firearms section.


As I stated before, the law has changed and it went into affect AFTER the pamphlet was already printed. What longside posted is exactly right. You can carry any pistol you wish as long as you have your CC. That was one of the new laws that took affect this year. Believe me, I follow very closely what the changes are and what's legal and what's not. Glad you put it to rest for yourself.
To add, just because it is in the pamphlet does not make it gospel. If there are any changes that are not in the pamphlet and it causes you to be illegal, you can and will be busted for it. "It was not in the pamphlet" is not a suitable defense.

longsidelandry 10-20-2010 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 201343)
I don't think so

I was referring to if you have a CC permit, not just anyone, sorry.

longsidelandry 10-20-2010 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 201355)
To add, just because it is in the pamphlet does not make it gospel. If there are any changes that are not in the pamphlet and it causes you to be illegal, you can and will be busted for it. "It was not in the pamphlet" is not a suitable defense.

Ain't that the truth! Let me ask you this though. Do you think they would change a law that would make something in the pamphlet illegal once it's been printed? I understand changing the laws to allow more like they did for the handguns if you have a CC permit, but I'm referring to going the opposite direction. For instance, say the pamphlet is printed in August and the law reads as it is currently "it is illegal to have anything bigger than a .22 pistol with ratshot", but then in October they decide they don't want anybody having any kind of pistol. Do you think they would put that into effect immediately or wait until the season is over then go forward with it?

Feesherman 10-20-2010 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by longsidelandry (Post 201362)
Ain't that the truth! Let me ask you this though. Do you think they would change a law that would make something in the pamphlet illegal once it's been printed? I understand changing the laws to allow more like they did for the handguns if you have a CC permit, but I'm referring to going the opposite direction. For instance, say the pamphlet is printed in August and the law reads as it is currently "it is illegal to have anything bigger than a .22 pistol with ratshot", but then in October they decide they don't want anybody having any kind of pistol. Do you think they would put that into effect immediately or wait until the season is over then go forward with it?


They would put it in effect immediately. I believe there is a disclaimer somewhere on the pamphlet that states there could be changes and that you could find yourself in a crack.

I found it:


[SIZE=2][SIZE=2]
DISCLAIMER
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This publication is not an official copy of the laws in effect and should not be utilized or relied upon as such
[/SIZE]
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2]. It does
represent an attempt by the publisher to present, as a public service, a partial summary of the laws in effect at the time of the
printing of this publication. Substantive changes to the law may very well occur following the printing of this publication.
For these reasons, the accuracy of the information contained within this publication cannot be guaranteed and the reader is
cautioned that it is his responsibility to apprise himself of the laws in effect at any given time. These laws include those
contained within Revised Statutes, particularly Title 56, the official regulations of the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries
Commission, federal laws and any local or parish ordinances. [/SIZE]
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2]Contact your local LDWF Enforcement Agent for specific
information.


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longsidelandry 10-20-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 201365)
They would put it in effect immediately. I believe there is a disclaimer somewhere on the pamphlet that states there could be changes and that you could find yourself in a crack.

Gotcha.

LaAngler 10-20-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 201355)
As I stated before, the law has changed and it went into affect AFTER the pamphlet was already printed. What longside posted is exactly right. You can carry any pistol you wish as long as you have your CC. That was one of the new laws that took affect this year. Believe me, I follow very closely what the changes are and what's legal and what's not. Glad you put it to rest for yourself.
To add, just because it is in the pamphlet does not make it gospel. If there are any changes that are not in the pamphlet and it causes you to be illegal, you can and will be busted for it. "It was not in the pamphlet" is not a suitable defense.

I was talking more about the first paragraph dealing with live ammunition. An agent told me there was a change made concerning firearms in vehicles.

I still have a couple unanswered questions. Would a handgun in a backpack or inside waistband holster of a non-CHL holder be a violation in the woods?

Feesherman 10-20-2010 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 201377)
Would a handgun in a backpack or inside waistband holster of a non-CHL holder be a violation in the woods?

Yes. Carrying a concealed handgun without a CHL is a violation. If it is not bow season and you want to carry in the woods, then you need to carry open.


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