S.T.A.R (Before & After Creel Change)
CCA STAR Trout weights before and after the limit change in 2006
Trout before the Limit change in 2006 2002 Russell Buckels 8lbs. 5 oz. David Brown 10lbs. 3oz. Quentin LeBoeuf 9lbs. 8 oz. David Foreman 9lbs. 4 oz. 2003 William Jennings 8.90 lbs. Lynn Vaughn 8.40 lbs. Catherine Pears 8.55 lbs. 2004 Chad Paulk 9.45 lbs. Danny Lanza 9.35 lbs. Dustin Fuselier 9.15 lbs. Chris Vallette 9.50 lbs. 2005 Jared Burleigh 9.10 lbs. Jimmie Hebert 8.90 lbs. Tony Hayden 8.40 lbs. Trout weights after the Trout limit 2006 Tony Hayden 8.20 lbs. Gary Burt 7.75 lbs Jared Verrett 7.65 lbs 2007 Larry Simon 7.80 lbs. Dennis Lavergne 7.20 lbs. Mark Jeanes 7.45 lbs. 2008 John Adams 8.85 lbs Harold Licatino 8.30 lbs. Tony Hayden 8.25 lbs 2009 Dale Weiman 8.25 lbs. Donnie Gibbs 8.20 lbs Buddy Ward 7.95 lbs. 2010 Wayne McElveen 7.68 lbs Betty Ellender 7.68 lbs Gary Peltier 7.53 lbs NO 9 or 10lbers :confused::confused: Over Stock means smaller fish!!! |
You forgot to add in the global warming factor:smokin:
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I went to the meeting with the biologists, no one would listen to what they had to say. The guides and the CCA got what they wanted, with no science to backup the new creel limits on BL. Call Mike Harbison he'll tell ya. Its all about the bucks... the fish over 5-6 lbs makeup less that 1% of the population. I don't have a problem with 15 fish, but the 2 only over 25" isn't needed. We have the biosystem to support the 12" 25 limit without hurting the fishery.
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I feel that it was the guides pushing this mostly. Fewer fish = less time on the water for same money. Also, less fish to clean at the end of the day. Just my opinion.
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Do you guys feel like the "box trout" in the 12 to 16 inch range have increased in population as a result of the creel changes? In other words are you getting to 15 keep trout more efficiently now than you have in the past and finding more trout at least from a numbers perspective than in prior years?
Clearly the data provided by LAS in their yearly trout forecast is far from scientific but they have seen an increase in overall trout numbers in each of the last three years in Big Lake. Of course some of that could be from Ike/Rita as well. Or is it a bad for the estuary in every perspective? It's clear the majority of the board feels like it hurts the trophy trout population. |
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If they are anything like a crappie, overpopulation is terrible for size. We had lakes back home get overrun and they had to be thinned out by way of keeping everything caught or throwing them on the bank.
I know these waters are more open here but, the same principle may still apply. Keep in mind, I'm no marine biologist... |
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You nailed it, they are the crappie and bluegill of the saltwater. If you don't cull some or supplementally feed them, they will stunt themselves. They grow quick and spawn at an early age. Taking some out of the population only helps the overall health of the population. |
We tried to say this back when the limits were changed. But CCA said they had
85% support from their membership . even though i can't find anyone that isn't around big lake that got the survey??? |
maybe the fish are just getting smarter?
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I know several guides on the lake, the ones that I know are some of the hardest working people I have encountered. I have spoken with a few on this issue and they believed that reducing the creel would allow the fishery to be healthier and last longer given that there are more boats on the water now than ever. Isn't the greed of the oyster fishermen (taking everything now and not saving it for later) and their inability to see the big picture what had everyone so outraged on here in the winter? Doesn’t that make us allot like them?
The creel change pre-dates me, I still had a camp in Grand Isle and fished that area so I really have no opinion either way on this other than to say that if catching 15 fish and not 25 will give my grandchildren a greater chance to experience what I believe is the one of the greatest outdoor cultures in our country then I'm all for it. If it is true that the reduction in creel had no impact on the fishery other than to reduce trophy trout then even the best of intentions sometimes backfires. I will say this, the number of lazy guides on our lake are few and far between. Some may be jerks to deal with but these guys work hard for their money and most love this estuary as much as you and I. Just a different perspective on my end.... |
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That's the point ckinchen, The biologist told the state that it really wouldn't matter for your kids an grand kids. The reduction from 25 to 15 was all just a feel good help the guides out thing.
We have had this discussion before and NO ONE has been able to produce any biological reason to limit it to 15 trout. |
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I guess I missed where anyone was calling the guides lazy.....:confused:
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Last week I came back to Heber's landing about Noon.
There were 3 or 4 guides just finshing up cleaning there day's catch..... no fishing 8 hr that day for them. One crab bait barrel that I saw was full. |
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I have said this all alone also...you can only hold so many fish in a given area! If you stop fishing for 10 years it will not matter! You will still only be able to hold that X amount of fish! I have no problem with the 15 limit but I have concerns that it is not the best thing for trout growth. Guides have no problems putting 45 to 60 trout in the boat..... Big trout have declined and declined and your more common limits are 12-15 inch trout . Its rare to have a 3lb adv 30 trout box like 8-10 years ago!
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This is true and you cannot compare oysters to trout. Trout are the wild hogs of the salt water. Reproduce like crazy. It's takes a long time for oysters to grow and reproduce! I find it very disturbing to alter fishing/hunting oppurtunities based on a survey rather than any biological evidence! |
another thing I can add........ Off the top of my head I would say I know 8 guides who could put 100 trout in the boat daily.......with artificial bait only!
Back when the limit was 25 per person they still had lots of guides only coming in with half their limit. Even when strike nets were legal and trout were being taken out in huge numbers , you still could go catch 100 trout easy. Back when my dad and grand paw fished the lake the limits were none and 50 per person.......Dad told me he would have 150 2-5lb trout in the boat by 10am most of the time..... |
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NICE 1st post. :shaking: I was there too. Its funny thats how you remember it.......Biologists wanted to go to 10 or fewer!!! CCA said that was too big of a reduction and it wouldn't make anyone happy. FACT: Trout SPR limits were below and are still below the thresh-hold set by our very own LDWF.....meaning a declining stock. W. You've fished long enough to know the big fish come in cycles. Look at this Year! You conveinently left that out. Several 8's on the board and numerous 9 & 10 lb trout caught by others. |
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Chas....Whats your thoughts on the decline in big trout being caught in the STAR ... With out using More boats on the water, because back in 2003-05 gas was cheep and the pilgrims were just as thick as ever....Just like today Heberts would be full to the rim with boats... IMO...It started to decline when the limits were dropped....IMO we are keeping more small fish in the lake and the bigger ones are just not staying and hanging around as long. |
Yes big fish are still caught and yes 9lbrs and 10lber yet rare are still landed but Jack C had 10 over 9 in his freezer for a stringer mount and lost it in Rita....to this day he has not boated but one 9lbers..... There is a reason for the big trout decline
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More boats on the water....:rotfl: Really don't know my man. Your theory is valid no doubt. But trout are carniverous. So to say the big ones don't stick around doesn't really jive. Why would they leave? Plenty of food. If they can't find shrimp or mullet, big trout will eat little trout. Overcrowding? I don't think so. Also, you could ask the people like the Poes, or Stansels, and they'll tell you big trout come in cycles. They've kept books for a long time too. |
I am hoping on the cycles theory as well Chas.
W, don't you think that with drastic increase in guides and pressure on the Lake that there are probably just as many Trout being taken out when it was 25 and less boats? I can't get over the number of boats that I am seeing on the lake. |
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No I dont...Reason is 70% of the boats dont catch fish.... Like said before when a study was check it was like 5 trout per boat... 300 boats that is 1500 trout I would say on weekends its less than 5 trout per boat.... You would be surprised at what you would see at the landings.... They had a game warden checking for redfish last year at Heberts (wanted ear bones)....out of 145 boats in one day ....she checked it has less than one red per boat..and she said about 3 trout.... guides will take the numbers and the rest are well below adv.... Sit at Hebert and drink beer about 12...and ask to look at every icechest that comes in and count.....I never counted but I have ask....lol.... If you catch 3000 trout today....the tide will bring 3000 in...and the tide will send half back out to never return... Have you ever fished offshore for trout? I bet less than half those trout never come into a lake... I have tagged about 60 trout at the 1st rigs and never had them caught anywhere yet |
and one more thing...all the boats is probably a good thing for the trout....More boats = less fish caught..because i cant count how many times some yonk has killed by bite ....
and with 300 boats in turners chasing birds or just fishing..... I would promise 20 boats in turners will catch more than 300 boats all day |
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I have read the trout don't come in and out of the Lake like many thought they did. I can also attest that catching consistently on Big Lake is challenging unless you put your time in. Not any Joe blow can launch and come back with a limit. You put in your water time to catch like you do I'm sure. |
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I just spat all over the screeeeen hahahahaha!!!
Ill cut a trip short if i dont have my limit by noon to do this, seriously lol |
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You can get a lot of cheetos for cheap at sams. Spill em out on da way to da south end. Frees up da good spots down south.:D |
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Buy more cheetos....:
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It really works. Try it, and see how many boats rush up to da birds feedin on cheetos! |
If the CCA and the guides wanted to protect their industry, it would have been better to set limits on your 2-4 lb fish. These are your brood stock group-limiting the # of these size fish in the old (25) limit would have been a smarter approach to helping the speck #'s.
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W....you can go out and catch 25 trout 12-16 inchers or 24 inches and above. Can't keep anything 17"-23" That would go over really well. :shaking: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild...pecies/strout/ "Spotted seatrout reaches sexual maturity at one to two years. Most large spotted seatrout caught are females and commonly live to be nine or 10 years of age. Anglers long ago recognized that very large trout were usually female and appropriately called them "sow" trout. A female spotted seatrout may spawn several times during the season. Younger females may release 100,000 eggs and older, larger females may release a million eggs. Recent studies indicate that spotted seatrout spawn between dusk and dawn and usually within coastal bays, estuaries and lagoons. They prefer shallow grassy areas where eggs and larvae have some cover from predators." |
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In a pinch but cheetos float much better. |
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Called a slot limit is all, don't see the humor of his post I guess:) Slots suck, I hate em, don't bass fish anymore hardly because of the trophy fishermen and their trophy lakes and slot limits which has done nothing but turn bass fishing into a big business and if you keep a bass you are the devil. Lakes that once were good are now 'overmanaged' and have turned into a big garhole:D I like it when a bassfisherman sees me catch a bass while white perch fishing and throw it in the icechest! |
I'm well aware what a slot limit is, but to actually argue that making a slot limit for trout would be better than the current set up is laughable to me. Esp a slot limit in the size range he is talking about.
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I would scratch if they had a slot limit..lol..I would have to agree...Slot limit would by far the be the stupidest thing..We would sit right there with Texas on fishing limits idiot 101
I dont think anyone catches enough trout over 25 inch to worry about it....Full Truth..I never measure a trout unless I dont think its 12inchs... I mostly dont keep trout over 4-5lbs so the chances of me having 2 over 25 is slim..but like i said...I never worry about it nor do I ever check..... |
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Thats funny, the biologist wanted to leave it alone. 25 12" min. with no protection for the big fish. They are not what you need to protect. And NO I don't want a slot limit, I was just saying that the 2-4 lbs fish are the furture of the species. Where you the one yelling " how do we make BL a trophy trout lake". It already was, and I'll say it again call Mike Harbison. He knows more about the lake than most of us. I do believe the fish come in cyclics. And I can still go to some of my spots and catch 2-3 lb avg. ,but not the 30-40 fish in the 3-6 lb avg. those days are gone. I fished BL since the 70's this lake will never be what it once was ......
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