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RatherBFishin 08-17-2011 02:36 PM

Broadheads
 
I am researching broadheads. I have been shooting G5 Montec tips for the past 4 years or so. I have had some trouble with accuracy when using them. A huge difference between my field tips and my broadheads. I am really looking for more accuracy than huge cutting area. Any well placed broadhead will bring them down in my opinion.


What kind of broadheads do you guys use and why?

hankscke123 08-17-2011 02:48 PM

Slick trick flys good and leaves a blood trail Steve wonder can follow

Kenner18 08-17-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hankscke123 (Post 308073)
Slick trick flys good and leaves a blood trail Steve wonder can follow

X 2

Hopedale Hustler 08-17-2011 03:02 PM

Blood runners brotha get u some and never look back

wtretrievers 08-17-2011 03:08 PM

Question is do they group?
A fixed broadhead will usually be a lilttle off from field tips, if they group shouldn't be a problem, you will almost always have to move your sights for fixed heads after shooting field tips, I shot G5's for a couple years, group was 1" high & 1" left compared to my field tips. Just something fixed head shooters have to deal with. I never shot field tips once season started getting close, used 3 heads just practice with.

msu-tfrancois 08-17-2011 03:39 PM

grim reapers!!!!!! I absolutely love em

Is it October Yet 08-17-2011 04:01 PM

Muzzy get 6 for the price of three others and they are ruthless. Buy their practice blades then you don't need field points. I'm also going to try the NAP Bloodrunners this year. They are mechanical but even if they don't open they still cut with the way they are designed. Have heard plenty of good things about them. Whatever you do do not by Rage.

Hopedale Hustler 08-17-2011 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Is it October Yet (Post 308111)
Muzzy get 6 for the price of three others and they are ruthless. Buy their practice blades then you don't need field points. I'm also going to try the NAP Bloodrunners this year. They are mechanical but even if they don't open they still cut with the way they are designed. Have heard plenty of good things about them. Whatever you do do not by Rage.



You'll like blood runners I never liked mechanical but I started using these last year and shot a 200 lb hog and it looked like a train came through wrecking that pig at the scene...blood for days

flounder_smacker 08-17-2011 04:07 PM

Muzzy mx3's. Fixed broadheads will differ from field points. Look up broadhead tuning there are videos on youtube. Also adding helical to your vanes will spin ur arrows helping stabilize the fixed head. I use muzzys and I can mix with field points and put them all in the same hole. Just need to fine tune your bow.

RatherBFishin 08-17-2011 04:27 PM

Thanks for the info guys. i am trying out the Slick tricks today. My buddy has some I can try. We'll see how it goes.

Chem Man 08-17-2011 04:32 PM

I have been shotting mechanical broad heads for years. Just like the cutting ratios and the blood trail. Some will disagree. I have shot many deer over the years using Rocket broad heads. I have been doing some research lately on this subject so I would like feed back on mechanical heads. I will not rank any heads but have noticed the top heads being Rage, Grim Reaper, Rocket, and Split Fire. (no order just from reading and asking other bow hunter) I just decide to go with Grim Reaper. I think they are all good. Lets here feed back.

Only head that I have heard anything bad and it was only one person is against the Rage said he had a head that did not open. Have 15 friends shooting Rage with no problems. Please list good and bad about any mechanical heads. Lets try to keep the bad shots out of it.

RatherBFishin 08-17-2011 04:43 PM

I have seen a rage 2 blade in action and it rips a huge hole! My boss shoots them but at the same time he has had problems with the o-rings not holding the blades closed. Numerous times they have come loose while drawing.

CrazyD 08-17-2011 04:44 PM

I love slick tricks. I have tried mechanicals, thunderheads, and slick tricks. They fly just like field points and are solid points. Noticed a very small difference in grouping out at the thirty yard mark. But they still group tight enough to cut fletches off previous shots.

RatherBFishin 08-17-2011 04:50 PM

I have heard the Slick tricks fly and group like field tips better than any

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Originally Posted by CrazyD (Post 308140)
I love slick tricks. I have tried mechanicals, thunderheads, and slick tricks. They fly just like field points and are solid points. Noticed a very small difference in grouping out at the thirty yard mark. But they still group tight enough to cut fletches off previous shots.


Chem Man 08-17-2011 04:59 PM

I have heard good reports from Slick Tricks myself but just like mechanical. Never have to adjust sights. When you hunt out of state alot you run the risk of having to buy heads on the road and I perfer not to start sighting and tuning my bow if I can not find the head I shoot. Almost never will u find a mechanical that does not shoot like a field point.

Feesherman 08-17-2011 05:29 PM

Any fixed head will fly with your field tips if you learn to tune your bow. That is first and foremost. To properly broad head tune your bow you must learn what to do. Your field points are hittin the bull every time. You screw on your fixed heads and they don't hit the bull. To broadhead tune you move your rest. Put on your broad heads, shoot a bunch of em and get a good idea where they are going. Then, adjust your rest to get your field points flying to the same spot the broad heads were flying. Now that your field points and broadheads are hitting the same spot, THEN and only then do you move your sights back to the bullseye. Now you have tuned your bow and your field points and broadheads should now be on the bullseye!


Mechanical broadheads were invented for people who don't know how or won't learn how to tune their bows. On that note, there are a bunch of outfitters that will not allow you to shoot mechanicals. Don't even look for an elk hunting outfit that will allow you to shoot mechanicals!

Also, look up walk back tuning to learn how to properly tune your rest to get center shot.

Chem Man 08-17-2011 05:38 PM

Sounds like you are a advance bow hunter like myself. So true on the Elk hunting, but I am still mad at the white tail. Thanks for your input. Shoot straight.

Top Dawg 08-17-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chem Man (Post 308151)
Sounds like you are a advance bow hunter like myself. So true on the Elk hunting, but I am still mad at the white tail. Thanks for your input. Shoot straight.

Eunice? My ol lady be from der.

Feesherman 08-17-2011 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chem Man (Post 308132)

Only head that I have heard anything bad and it was only one person is against the Rage said he had a head that did not open. .


Lots of people hatin on the rage heads. Go to ArcheryTalk and do a search. It's like the whisker biscuit, they either love em or hate em.

For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone would shoot a mechanical and introduce more things that can go wrong. Not opening, opening on release and planing off, freezing closed, breaking off blades etc. etc. etc. Not to mention, even if they work correctly you are giving up some kinetic energy to open them. The only reason I can find is that folks don't have to tune their bows. "They fly just like field points" The biggest advertisment you see with mechanicals.

msu-tfrancois 08-17-2011 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 308149)
Any fixed head will fly with your field tips if you learn to tune your bow. That is first and foremost. To properly broad head tune your bow you must learn what to do. Your field points are hittin the bull every time. You screw on your fixed heads and they don't hit the bull. To broadhead tune you move your rest. Put on your broad heads, shoot a bunch of em and get a good idea where they are going. Then, adjust your rest to get your field points flying to the same spot the broad heads were flying. Now that your field points and broadheads are hitting the same spot, THEN and only then do you move your sights back to the bullseye. Now you have tuned your bow and your field points and broadheads should now be on the bullseye!


Mechanical broadheads were invented for people who don't know how or won't learn how to tune their bows. On that note, there are a bunch of outfitters that will not allow you to shoot mechanicals. Don't even look for an elk hunting outfit that will allow you to shoot mechanicals!

Also, look up walk back tuning to learn how to properly tune your rest to get center shot.


Come on now dude are u kidding me....thas a pretty bold statement there...

jchief 08-17-2011 09:23 PM

Not
 
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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 308149)
Any fixed head will fly with your field tips if you learn to tune your bow. That is first and foremost. To properly broad head tune your bow you must learn what to do. Your field points are hittin the bull every time. You screw on your fixed heads and they don't hit the bull. To broadhead tune you move your rest. Put on your broad heads, shoot a bunch of em and get a good idea where they are going. Then, adjust your rest to get your field points flying to the same spot the broad heads were flying. Now that your field points and broadheads are hitting the same spot, THEN and only then do you move your sights back to the bullseye. Now you have tuned your bow and your field points and broadheads should now be on the bullseye!


Mechanical broadheads were invented for people who don't know how or won't learn how to tune their bows. On that note, there are a bunch of outfitters that will not allow you to shoot mechanicals. Don't even look for an elk hunting outfit that will allow you to shoot mechanicals!

Also, look up walk back tuning to learn how to properly tune your rest to get center shot.

I call BS. Been bow hunting about 30 years. Know many hunters that can paper tune a bow but like how the mechanicals work.

Everyone has a prefernce. If not, we would all be shooting the same thing.

msu-tfrancois 08-17-2011 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jchief (Post 308303)
I call BS. Been bow hunting about 30 years. Know many hunters that can paper tune a bow but like how the mechanicals work.

Everyone has a prefernce. If not, we would all be shooting the same thing.

Very well said man...Sound like ol boy was tryin to toot his own horn a lil there

Feesherman 08-17-2011 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by msu-tfrancois (Post 308309)
Very well said man...Sound like ol boy was tryin to toot his own horn a lil there

I didn't say that only newbies use them. I said why they were invented. Are you going to say that every advertisement doesn't say this phrase, "Flys like field points"? Do some research. Learn a thing or two. And then figure out why so many outfitters will not allow you to use them!

Feesherman 08-17-2011 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jchief (Post 308303)
I call BS. Been bow hunting about 30 years. Know many hunters that can paper tune a bow but like how the mechanicals work.

Everyone has a prefernce. If not, we would all be shooting the same thing.


What does paper tune get you? You still have to broad head tune once you take the field tips off and put your broad heads on!

Hopedale Hustler 08-17-2011 10:15 PM

Feesherman is verry opinionated today....but its Ok...I guess I'm less of a man/hunter because I use blood runner mechanicals...

LPfishnTIM 08-17-2011 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by msu-tfrancois (Post 308103)
grim reapers!!!!!! I absolutely love em

x100! awesome broadheads,

Feesherman 08-18-2011 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hopedale Hustler (Post 308343)
Feesherman is verry opinionated today....but its Ok...I guess I'm less of a man/hunter because I use blood runner mechanicals...


I didn't say that either. But hey, try to help folks out by explaining what broadhead tuning is and I am accused of tooting some kind of horn. Lots of guys don't know that you have to first adjust your rest to broadhead tune. Shame on me for trying to offer some tips.

msu-tfrancois 08-18-2011 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 308369)
I didn't say that either. But hey, try to help folks out by explaining what broadhead tuning is and I am accused of tooting some kind of horn. Lots of guys don't know that you have to first adjust your rest to broadhead tune. Shame on me for trying to offer some tips.


There's nothing wrong with trying to help and give advice on this forum but u came off like a smarta s s insinuating that people who use mechanicals are either amateurs or don't know what they are doing.......and also i'm sure that flying like a field tip may be a good selling point it is not the only advantage of a mechanical and i doubt thats why they invented em....

jescuriex 08-18-2011 08:23 AM

I've been shooting mechanicals for 8 years Nap Spitfire 3 blade. Its not about wanting to tune my bow I just like what they do to a deer.

longsidelandry 08-18-2011 08:38 AM

THUNDERHEADS!!!! There's a reason they've been around longer than almost any other broadhead out there. It took me a while last summer but after watching alot of youtube vids I learned how to properly tune my bow to make the Thunderheads shoot exactly like my fieldtips. I have absolutely no plans on switching from the TH's to any other BH unless they quit making them which is very highly unlikely!

Hopedale Hustler 08-18-2011 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 308369)
I didn't say that either. But hey, try to help folks out by explaining what broadhead tuning is and I am accused of tooting some kind of horn. Lots of guys don't know that you have to first adjust your rest to broadhead tune. Shame on me for trying to offer some tips.


U have tried to downgrade others in a couple of threads here lately...first about the dog training and then about mechanical broadheads....I'm just saying if that's the kinda help u have to offer I for one don't need it. I'm sure u meant nothing by it but just be careful with how u come off.

RatherBFishin 08-18-2011 08:55 AM

OK fellas I didn't mean to start a 8===D measuring contest. Thank you for all your opinions. All of the broadheads mentioned will obviously get the job done in most cases. I was just concerned about spending 30-60 bucks on a set of heads that after you try there is no returning them.

Love the passion fellas!!!!!

evidrine 08-18-2011 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by msu-tfrancois (Post 308309)
Very well said man...Sound like ol boy was tryin to toot his own horn a lil there

Sounds kinda like "W" on the topic of live bait!!!! :rotfl:

msu-tfrancois 08-18-2011 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by evidrine (Post 308403)
Sounds kinda like "W" on the topic of live bait!!!! :rotfl:

you can only use mechanicals in post rut being that thats one of the hardest times to shoot a buck :D

longsidelandry 08-18-2011 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RatherBFishin (Post 308402)
OK fellas I didn't mean to start a 8===D measuring contest. Thank you for all your opinions. All of the broadheads mentioned will obviously get the job done in most cases. I was just concerned about spending 30-60 bucks on a set of heads that after you try there is no returning them.

Love the passion fellas!!!!!

It basically comes down to what you're most comfortable with shooting. I have my doubts and concerns when it comes to mechanical heads so I will probably never shoot them. I've only shot the Thunderheads for 1 year but the 1 deer I shot with them didn't run far and it wasn't the best shot I could have made. Remember, no matter what kind of broadhead you shoot, as long as you hit them in the right spot they're going down.

RatherBFishin 08-18-2011 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by longsidelandry (Post 308408)
It basically comes down to what you're most comfortable with shooting. I have my doubts and concerns when it comes to mechanical heads so I will probably never shoot them. I've only shot the Thunderheads for 1 year but the 1 deer I shot with them didn't run far and it wasn't the best shot I could have made. Remember, no matter what kind of broadhead you shoot, as long as you hit them in the right spot they're going down.


Very very True!

flounder_smacker 08-18-2011 09:47 AM

It is alot easier to tune a bow using mechanicals. Most of the time u put the mechanical on and they hit where the field points are. People like mechanicals because most of them open up larger than fixed. I used rage heads for a lil while and when they opened they cut like nothing else. But I did have some not open and one open on release and caused me to miss a good deer. I switched to muzzy mx3 which have a inch and a quarter cutting width and they will cut that width every time. It comes down to what u would trust when a lifetime deer comes in your crosshairs. Hope it opens or know its cutting if you connect.

wtretrievers 08-18-2011 10:08 AM

Copied my post from a previous thread back in June, wish y'all could watch the Videos, it'll make you sick


I've got 2 bad experiences of what a mechanical will do shot at angle on a deer (one on video), not good .........& no doesn't happen all the time.

1st time........approx 120lb Doe 10 steps (maybe 7yds) I was approx 22' high, I shot & hit behind the shoulder at the top of the back along the outside edge of the backstrap.......PERFECT!!!!!!! You'd think The arrow hit it's mark then turned & came out just below the backstrap on the other side!!!!!!!!!! IT DID A U TURN!!!! The arrow actually went up on the exit side! Never even got close to vitals!!!!!!!Lost that one! Trailed forever with dog.

2nd time..........ON VIDEO!!!!, with a different type mechanical. 8pt approx 16" inside 165-170lbs quartering away at about 20 yds, arrow hit right behind back rib PERFECT!!!!!! You'd think!The arrow turned & came out the other side just in front of his hind quarter!!!!!!!!! IT DID A U TURN!!!! We watched this one in slow mo for 2 weeks straight & made me sick at my stomach every time!!!!!!!!

Now if you can imagine this....... 2 blade or three blade mechanical shot at a hard angle & the blades are in the right position when the tip goes in one blade will hit first & begin to open before the others & it's cutting through hair, flesh, muscle & sometimes bone before the other blade or blades or open or make contact which will make the backend of the arrow kick the opposite way!!!!!!!

I've killed my share with mechanicals (with some nasty entrance & exits!) & more of my share with fixed, after those 2 episodes you couldn't melt a mechanical & pour it on me! I've had my mishaps with fixed also, but mainly due to my fault. I've got over 70 whitetails under my belt with a bow, have hunted in some really awesome places over the years.

I have looked at the Rage, like the concept, not the same as the traditional mechanical, but just cant bring myself to do it!

Just my 2 cents.

Is it October Yet 08-18-2011 10:21 AM

Jeff you are really coming of like you might know what your talking about!! Please stop being a Mr Know it all and trying to help people with your experience and opinion. Everyone knows that Rage is the only braodhead that kills. That's what the guys on tv told me!! Hahahahahahaha

When are you planting and clearing up at the camp? We bulldozed some new fields and shooting lanes over the summer. I can't wait to "throw an ax through an animal".

wtretrievers 08-18-2011 10:34 AM

Haha you ain't right boy!

I don't know, too freaking hot to think about it! Will start picking up my fertilizer & seed a few bags at a time so initial price don't give me a
stroke! Probably start working them 2nd week in Sept then watch the weather to plant

RatherBFishin 08-18-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wtretrievers (Post 308421)
Copied my post from a previous thread back in June, wish y'all could watch the Videos, it'll make you sick


I've got 2 bad experiences of what a mechanical will do shot at angle on a deer (one on video), not good .........& no doesn't happen all the time.

1st time........approx 120lb Doe 10 steps (maybe 7yds) I was approx 22' high, I shot & hit behind the shoulder at the top of the back along the outside edge of the backstrap.......PERFECT!!!!!!! You'd think The arrow hit it's mark then turned & came out just below the backstrap on the other side!!!!!!!!!! IT DID A U TURN!!!! The arrow actually went up on the exit side! Never even got close to vitals!!!!!!!Lost that one! Trailed forever with dog.

2nd time..........ON VIDEO!!!!, with a different type mechanical. 8pt approx 16" inside 165-170lbs quartering away at about 20 yds, arrow hit right behind back rib PERFECT!!!!!! You'd think!The arrow turned & came out the other side just in front of his hind quarter!!!!!!!!! IT DID A U TURN!!!! We watched this one in slow mo for 2 weeks straight & made me sick at my stomach every time!!!!!!!!

Now if you can imagine this....... 2 blade or three blade mechanical shot at a hard angle & the blades are in the right position when the tip goes in one blade will hit first & begin to open before the others & it's cutting through hair, flesh, muscle & sometimes bone before the other blade or blades or open or make contact which will make the backend of the arrow kick the opposite way!!!!!!!

I've killed my share with mechanicals (with some nasty entrance & exits!) & more of my share with fixed, after those 2 episodes you couldn't melt a mechanical & pour it on me! I've had my mishaps with fixed also, but mainly due to my fault. I've got over 70 whitetails under my belt with a bow, have hunted in some really awesome places over the years.

I have looked at the Rage, like the concept, not the same as the traditional mechanical, but just cant bring myself to do it!

Just my 2 cents.


Thanks for the info. What broadhead do you shoot?

wtretrievers 08-18-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RatherBFishin (Post 308456)
Thanks for the info. What broadhead do you shoot?

Have tried em all!!!!! Not into the tinkering stage anymore! :) went back to the ol realiable thunderheads, theyre proven & easy to find!!!!

If I still tinkered like I used too I'd shoot the delta snuffers, that's one bad dude! You would be lucky to get one to fly right out of 6, I would spend hours & hours tuning them till I got em right.

Feesherman 08-18-2011 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by msu-tfrancois (Post 308380)
There's nothing wrong with trying to help and give advice on this forum but u came off like a smarta s s insinuating that people who use mechanicals are either amateurs or don't know what they are doing...........


Nope, didn't state that, nor did I insinuate that. That is just the way you chose to interpret what I said. What I said was just that, not up for interpretation. Ya'll have at it, I'll just watch from the sidelines from now on.

Is it October Yet 08-18-2011 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 308504)
Nope, didn't state that, nor did I insinuate that. That is just the way you chose to interpret what I said. What I said was just that, not up for interpretation. Ya'll have at it, I'll just watch from the sidelines from now on.

I'm not sure how they felt that you were trying to be a tool. What you said was fact as fact can get. Darn Mathews fanboys just mad cause Hoyt passed them up!

RatherBFishin 08-18-2011 01:56 PM

Ya'll go argue somewhere else

wtretrievers 08-18-2011 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Is it October Yet (Post 308511)
I'm not sure how they felt that you were trying to be a tool. What you said was fact as fact can get. Darn Mathews fanboys just mad cause Hoyt passed them up!

Hoyt???? BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

wtretrievers 08-18-2011 02:00 PM

Just messin with ya Chad! Nowadays the competition is so stiff no one can afford to make an inferior bow, I shot Hoyt comp & 3d's only because that's who sponsored me, then It was a hard bow to keep tuned. I don't hear that about them anymore. Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech are all good bows, just shoot what fits you!

flounder_smacker 08-18-2011 02:23 PM

I bought a bowtech allegiance In 07 and have bought a few bows since then but I keep going back to that bow. It just fits me the best. Bows nowadays are all good just have to find the one that fits you.

Is it October Yet 08-18-2011 02:26 PM

I have my eye on the Bowtech Invasion. Got one with my name on it at Chag's. I may have to have back surgery again which will mean two bow seasons in a row I will miss. It may come down to getting a crossbow cause I refuse to miss all of bow season. Bow season in MS is half the season and I'm itchin bbbbBbbbaaaaaaadddd.

To stay with the topic: Like women, I love all broadheads!!!

msu-tfrancois 08-18-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 308504)
Nope, didn't state that, nor did I insinuate that. That is just the way you chose to interpret what I said. What I said was just that, not up for interpretation. Ya'll have at it, I'll just watch from the sidelines from now on.

Look man I aint lookin for no enemies on this site and and everyone is entitled to their own opinion and i respect that...but there are guys on here that will bash on ppl for no reason and try to make the guy askin the question look stupid..if i misinterpreted your post than my apologies....


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