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bull1134 05-20-2012 09:26 PM

trout spawning?
 
Anyone know when the trout are supposed to spawn down here? The ones I caught this weekend (the keepers) where full of eggs. Just wonderin.

PaulMyers 05-20-2012 09:29 PM

Every full moon!

sacalaitman 05-20-2012 09:40 PM

trout arent like freshwater fish and just have one spawn a year. they spawn all throughout the summer months through about october. full moon and new moon phases are when they spawn the most.

boatdriver 05-20-2012 09:48 PM

Some spawn every month.

Asterisk-Rich 05-20-2012 09:49 PM

90% of trout we caught today were full of eggs

swamp snorkler 05-20-2012 09:51 PM

Batter them eggs and fry them!


Lifelong fan of the Super Bowl 44 Champions New Orleans Saints!!!!!

jpeff31787 05-21-2012 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamp snorkler (Post 435257)
Batter them eggs and fry them!


Lifelong fan of the Super Bowl 44 Champions New Orleans Saints!!!!!


just like you would with the fillets?

"W" 05-21-2012 08:33 AM

Speckled trout exhibit a protracted spawning season, lasting from April to September. Females ready to spawn have even been recorded in March and October.

Only your 1st spawn is related to the full moon in March but after that most females spawn in cycles which studies show that a trout is likely to spawn at sunrise are sunset

Smaller females can spawn up to 7-10times a year while larger females may only spawn 2-3 times a year ...and older and real large females may not spawn at all or only once a year(reason why keeping them don't hurt)

Kenner18 05-21-2012 08:52 AM

In Louisiana, speckled trout almost always spawn in groups numbering in dozens to thousands in deep, moving water, such as passes between barrier islands or natural and manmade channels in open water. Water depth in these locations is usually between 10 and 100 feet deep. Current seems to be necessary to keep the eggs from sinking to the bottom and suffocating.
Spawning always takes place between 6 p.m. and midnight. Males typically gather at the site an hour or two before sunset. There, they begin drumming — vibrating their tough swim bladder with surrounding muscles. The grunts, knocks and raps made by hundreds of males at one time sounds like a constant roar.
Drumming hits its peak around 8 or 9 p.m. and decreases sharply after 11 p.m. It is assumed that drumming activity attracts females to the site.
During spawning, the trout in the school mill constantly, with light side-to-side contact between the fish. Eggs and sperm are discharged into the water for random fertilization. The outgoing current in the channel or pass rapidly sweeps the eggs out to Gulf waters, where they float untended until they hatch.

cmdrost 05-21-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 435357)
Smaller females can spawn up to 7-10times a year while larger females may only spawn 2-3 times a year ...and older and real large females may not spawn at all or only once a year(reason why keeping them don't hurt)


From TX wildlife and Fisheries site:

"A female spotted seatrout may spawn several times during the season. Younger females may release 100,000 eggs and older, larger females may release a million eggs. Recent studies indicate that spotted seatrout spawn between dusk and dawn and usually within coastal bays, estuaries and lagoons. They prefer shallow grassy areas where eggs and larvae have some cover from predators. "

Also answers worm question in other thread:

"Some trout caught may have worms embedded in the flesh along the backbone. These "spaghetti" worms are larval stages of a tapeworm that can only reach maturity in sharks. The worms cannot survive in man even if the seatrout is eaten raw. The worms can easily be removed when the fish is cleaned to make the meat more appealing. The spotted seatrout is a member of the croaker family (Sciaenidae) and is a first cousin to the Atlantic croaker, red drum, black drum, and sand seatrout."

"W" 05-21-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 435572)
From TX wildlife and Fisheries site:

"A female spotted seatrout may spawn several times during the season. Younger females may release 100,000 eggs and older, larger females may release a million eggs. Recent studies indicate that spotted seatrout spawn between dusk and dawn and usually within coastal bays, estuaries and lagoons. They prefer shallow grassy areas where eggs and larvae have some cover from predators. "

Also answers worm question in other thread:

"Some trout caught may have worms embedded in the flesh along the backbone. These "spaghetti" worms are larval stages of a tapeworm that can only reach maturity in sharks. The worms cannot survive in man even if the seatrout is eaten raw. The worms can easily be removed when the fish is cleaned to make the meat more appealing. The spotted seatrout is a member of the croaker family (Sciaenidae) and is a first cousin to the Atlantic croaker, red drum, black drum, and sand seatrout."


And. 10 inch trout may spawn 8 times in one year where a 7lb trout may only spawn 2times

And 3lb trout will lay 10xs the eggs vs a 8-10lb trout

mikedatiger 05-21-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 435572)
From TX wildlife and Fisheries site:

"A female spotted seatrout may spawn several times during the season. Younger females may release 100,000 eggs and older, larger females may release a million eggs. Recent studies indicate that spotted seatrout spawn between dusk and dawn and usually within coastal bays, estuaries and lagoons. They prefer shallow grassy areas where eggs and larvae have some cover from predators. "
"

What is the approximate age range defining young vs mature trout?

TheLongRun 05-21-2012 06:09 PM

Size limits are set based on sexual maturity. 12" means that they have likely had a chance to reach spawning size. From fingerling to that size probably about 4-5 years, I believe.

"W" 05-21-2012 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLongRun (Post 435610)
Size limits are set based on sexual maturity. 12" means that they have likely had a chance to reach spawning size. From fingerling to that size probably about 4-5 years, I believe.


More like one year....to reach spawn size the max life of a trout is about 7 years

TheLongRun 05-21-2012 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 435614)
More like one year....to reach spawn size the max life of a trout is about 7 years

From fingerling (An inch or two) to 12 inches in a year? That's incredible. The hatcheries are overstocking :)

"W" 05-21-2012 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLongRun (Post 435620)
From fingerling (An inch or two) to 12 inches in a year? That's incredible. The hatcheries are overstocking :)


Know your Trout Facts :smokin:

Growth

The growth rate of spotted seatrout differs between males and females, with females growing faster. Approximate lengths at various years of age are given in the following table.
AGE MALE FEMALE
1 9" 8"
2 14" 17"
3 17" 20"
4 18" 23"
5 18" 24"
6 19" 25"
7 19" 26"

TheLongRun 05-21-2012 06:49 PM

http://www.sms.si.edu/irlspec/cynosc_nebulo.htm

The avg life span of a spotted seatrout is 18 years. The most exponential growth rate does occur in year 1, however, I'm not sure that will get you to 12", from plankton stage.

Cite for your info?

"W" 05-21-2012 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLongRun (Post 435625)
http://www.sms.si.edu/irlspec/cynosc_nebulo.htm

The avg life span of a spotted seatrout is 18 years. The most exponential growth rate does occur in year 1, however, I'm not sure that will get you to 12", from plankton stage.

Cite for your info?


L M M F A O..........Dude there is no trout in the world that lived 18 freaken years......

Ray 05-21-2012 06:51 PM

LSU research guys said most Trout live between 4 to 5 years.
Only a few live past that.

"W" 05-21-2012 06:54 PM

http://www.seagrantfish.lsu.edu/pdfs...ckledtrout.pdf

http://www.txsaltwaterfishingguides....acts/Trout.htm

Area research shows our trout live approximately 7-9 years with a growth rate of about ½ lb. per year with growth possibly slowing in the 3rd year to approximately ¼ lb. per year.

"W" 05-21-2012 06:56 PM

TheLongRun...you should get ban for saying that but thanks for the new sig....

TheLongRun 05-21-2012 07:35 PM

You right, you right. I should not have said average. I should have said oldest recorded. I was way off. Based on ootholith records, the spotted sea trout has been known to live UP TO 18 years.

I also think the data supports (yours mine and others) that sexual maturity is more than one year from planktonic fry to harvestable fish.

TheLongRun 05-21-2012 07:36 PM

But if ya wanna ban me, that'd be pretty funny!

mikedatiger 05-21-2012 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 435632)
http://www.seagrantfish.lsu.edu/pdfs...ckledtrout.pdf

http://www.txsaltwaterfishingguides....acts/Trout.htm

Area research shows our trout live approximately 7-9 years with a growth rate of about ½ lb. per year with growth possibly slowing in the 3rd year to approximately ¼ lb. per year.

This can't be right as it would put the "average" 8 year old trout at less than 3lbs…
Age Weight Gain/Yr Cumulative Weight
1 0.5 0.5
2 0.5 1
3 0.5 1.5
4 0.25 1.75
5 0.25 2
6 0.25 2.25
7 0.25 2.5
8 0.25 2.75

Even at a half pound per year you only reach 4lbs at year 8.

"W" 05-21-2012 08:32 PM

It said after 1st 3 years its half pound and that is going to differ from estuary

noodle creek 05-21-2012 08:55 PM

haha i knew this would turn into an argument as soon as W made the statement about not hurting anything to keep a big one. someone always has to get upset. i swear the people that complain about keeping big trout are probably liberals. i mean what are we gonna do when we keep all the big ones and there's no more trout in the lake?

TheLongRun 05-21-2012 09:12 PM

Huh? What on earth led you to that conclusion? I thought we were discussing growth rates of trout? I think we can all agree that size limits are based on sexual maturity. Meaning it's legal to take. The debate isnt about "liberals" trying to stop you from keeping that big fish. If they make 12 inches, fry em. If they are huge, mount em.

SULPHITE 05-21-2012 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLongRun (Post 435702)
If they are huge, mount em.

:grinpimp: :smokin:

TheLongRun 05-21-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SULPHITE (Post 435706)
:grinpimp: :smokin:

See, now THAT is signature worthy.

"W" 05-21-2012 09:24 PM

Here is the deal....1 don't keep big trout (only because their not the good eating ones)

Now that the limits are 15 trout per person it don't matter if you keep every trout you catch because you killed the big trout system with that limit change

So all the big trout guys who wanted the 15 trout limit should be happy happy happy that you will never see 5 9-10lb trout caught during the Star again...

TheLongRun 05-21-2012 09:26 PM

Really does suck about the 15 limit. Still 25 on my piece of water.

noodle creek 05-21-2012 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 435572)
From TX wildlife and Fisheries site:

"A female spotted seatrout may spawn several times during the season. Younger females may release 100,000 eggs and older, larger females may release a million eggs. Recent studies indicate that spotted seatrout spawn between dusk and dawn and usually within coastal bays, estuaries and lagoons. They prefer shallow grassy areas where eggs and larvae have some cover from predators. "

Also answers worm question in other thread:

"Some trout caught may have worms embedded in the flesh along the backbone. These "spaghetti" worms are larval stages of a tapeworm that can only reach maturity in sharks. The worms cannot survive in man even if the seatrout is eaten raw. The worms can easily be removed when the fish is cleaned to make the meat more appealing. The spotted seatrout is a member of the croaker family (Sciaenidae) and is a first cousin to the Atlantic croaker, red drum, black drum, and sand seatrout."

larger females may release a million eggs. something like this comes up everytime

TheLongRun 05-21-2012 09:34 PM

It would be interesting to see if there is data available about the viability of the spawn, based on eggs released.

I still don't think the "liberals" are after your fish though ;)

noodle creek 05-21-2012 10:08 PM

i don't want to get off topic of this thread, but just once i want an explanation of why changing the limits to 15 fish and letting all the big trout go is better for our fishery than everyone keeping 25 and all the big fish they catch. it's just confusing to me that our limits got changed over here without a good explanation as to why it was done or why we needed a change. a few select people got their way with this, and there's no telling what will come next.

PaulMyers 05-21-2012 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 435741)
i don't want to get off topic of this thread, but just once i want an explanation of why changing the limits to 15 fish and letting all the big trout go is better for our fishery than everyone keeping 25 and all the big fish they catch. it's just confusing to me that our limits got changed over here without a good explanation as to why it was done or why we needed a change. a few select people got their way with this, and there's no telling what will come next.

Sounds to me like you understand it completely!

"W" 05-22-2012 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 435741)
i don't want to get off topic of this thread, but just once i want an explanation of why changing the limits to 15 fish and letting all the big trout go is better for our fishery than everyone keeping 25 and all the big fish they catch. it's just confusing to me that our limits got changed over here without a good explanation as to why it was done or why we needed a change. a few select people got their way with this, and there's no telling what will come next.

You want to know why it got changed......
Jack Lawton, Jr., Bob Bush, Gus Schram III,

"W" 05-22-2012 06:14 AM

And bottom line is more smaller trout =more eggs ......how many of you are knocking down 8-9lb million egg carrying trout daily ????

Thank you


So more little trout left behind =more and more little trout to come....=more fish coming in than taken out= bigger fish leave due to over running little trout =back to 15 non scientific limit change so a hand full of once a month fisherman can get their way

TheLongRun 05-22-2012 07:12 AM

When did it change? Is it simply 15 instead of 25, but still 12"? Or did they put in one of the split size limits?

This isn't the first LDWF "political" decision, and it won't be the last.

Ray 05-22-2012 08:12 AM

Making Calcasieu Lake a "Trophy Lake", by name only, draws a lot more fishermen than when it was just Big Lake.
Now we got people from all over the country coming over here to catch our dinks.
There are big fish caught all over the state. Just we got the designation of a "Trophy Lake", the rest of the state doesn't.
It helps the guide business only. Not much else.
Before the change, there were 3 or 4 guide businesses, now there are many.
In my opinion, the fishermen who are suckers for the "Trophy Lake" thing are just that, suckers. They come here to catch 15 Trout, instead of 25 Trout at other La. fisheries.
If I were paying, I'd rather catch 25.

eman 05-22-2012 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray (Post 435820)
Making Calcasieu Lake a "Trophy Lake", by name only, draws a lot more fishermen than when it was just Big Lake.
Now we got people from all over the country coming over here to catch our dinks.
There are big fish caught all over the state. Just we got the designation of a "Trophy Lake", the rest of the state doesn't.
It helps the guide business only. Not much else.
Before the change, there were 3 or 4 guide businesses, now there are many.
In my opinion, the fishermen who are suckers for the "Trophy Lake" thing are just that, suckers. They come here to catch 15 Trout, instead of 25 Trout at other La. fisheries.
If I were paying, I'd rather catch 25.

Every fresh or salt lake in louisiana designated a "trophy " lake has been ruined by "someone" LDWF nor the PCPJ will admit to releasing non triploid carp into false river . But they are there by the hundreds of thousands. Not a blade of grass anywhere there. LDWF Won't admit that killing the grass in caney lake ruined it .
To many folks have a say in what goes on w/ both the fresh and salt water fisheries in La. The state pays Good money to hire fisheries biologist and then ignores them when it comes to fisheries questions.
When you let the people that live and work on a body of water tell you how to manage it's fish ,it will never amount to anything.

"W" 05-22-2012 08:33 AM

15 trout limit is Big Lake Epic Fail and it is showing now.......


And the stupidest thing ever was the two over 24 or what ever it is...

Had anyone ever been checked and ask to measure there fish???? I have been checked 25 times since limit change easy and never asked about size....all guides I know have never been asked


No one I know has been asked and I don't even measure a trout unless its close to 12inch

swamp snorkler 05-22-2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpeff31787 (Post 435354)
just like you would with the fillets?


Yes make sure you have a cover for the pot because sometimes they pop. Fry them about 2 minutes taste like a hush puppie

TheLongRun 05-22-2012 08:58 AM

When you are getting checked, is it enforcement or just creel surveys? I have fished Barataria bay my whole life, and can probably count on my fingers how many times ive ever had my fish checked. Life jackets and such, sure. But it's extremely rare to get pulled over to check fish (and it's usually during snapper season). Man, big lake sounds like a real clusterfk.

cmdrost 05-22-2012 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 435597)
And. 10 inch trout may spawn 8 times in one year where a 7lb trout may only spawn 2times

And 3lb trout will lay 10xs the eggs vs a 8-10lb trout

Ok. so using your numbers:

10 inch trout at 8 times a yr = 800,000 eggs

7 lb trout at 2 times a yr = 2 million eggs


All I was pointing out was the fact that big trout do release more eggs than smaller trout. I personally don't give a flying F if you keep em or not. IF you catch em, kill em all as far as I'm concerned. Your fish.

This is/was a civil conversation about SPAWNING. Take your other junk to another board or topic.

"W" 05-22-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 435855)
Ok. so using your numbers:

10 inch trout at 8 times a yr = 800,000 eggs

7 lb trout at 2 times a yr = 2 million eggs


All I was pointing out was the fact that big trout do release more eggs than smaller trout. I personally don't give a flying F if you keep em or not. IF you catch em, kill em all as far as I'm concerned. Your fish.

This is/was a civil conversation about SPAWNING. Take your other junk to another board or topic.




And 7lb trout out number 12inch trout by how many???????


Just admit the 15 trout limit was a screw up and now you can't change it

cmdrost 05-22-2012 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 435950)
And 7lb trout out number 12inch trout by how many???????


Just admit the 15 trout limit was a screw up and now you can't change it


go troll somewhere else. :rotfl:

Your original statement : "and older and real large females may not spawn at all or only once a year(reason why keeping them don't hurt) "

Then a secondary statement: "And. 10 inch trout may spawn 8 times in one year where a 7lb trout may only spawn 2times"


First they don't spawn at all, then 2 times a yr???

Anyone with a high school diploma knows large trout are in the minority. All I was saying is that they DO lay eggs. Lots of lots of eggs. What you choose to do with them is your choice.

"W" 05-22-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 435357)
Speckled trout exhibit a protracted spawning season, lasting from April to September. Females ready to spawn have even been recorded in March and October.

Only your 1st spawn is related to the full moon in March but after that most females spawn in cycles which studies show that a trout is likely to spawn at sunrise are sunset

Smaller females can spawn up to 7-10times a year while larger females may only spawn 2-3 times a year ...and older and real large females may not spawn at all or only once a year(reason why keeping them don't hurt)

Older and really large trout means 8lbs up....

Your biggest produces are from 12-16inch trout as they are over 80% of the population

So Mr Drost ... What is the ratio of fish caught to get a 7lb plus trout

????
1000 to 1
1500 to 1
2000 to 1
So 7lb plus trout are. 1 % of the population ????

Keep drinking that politic kool aid ..

TheLongRun 05-22-2012 11:43 AM

LSU has a speck expert. Almost all the articles published on the topic are authored by him, or cite him. I bet if you google it you can figure it out. Why don't y'all just email and ask if this is sound policy or not? Rather than getting information from politicians with agendas and/or locals with vested interests? Neither of those should be considered credible sources.

TheLongRun 05-22-2012 11:51 AM

Also, still curious how long it's been in effect. Anyone?

Gerald 05-22-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLongRun (Post 435964)
Also, still curious how long it's been in effect. Anyone?

I have been checking. The LDWF web site only had records back 2 years. I guess that is when they "upgraded" the web site.

I could not find anything on my computer. My old computer "crashed" and I lost a lot of my old information. My best guess is that the Trout limit on Big Lake was change in June of 2006.


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