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ckinchen 10-04-2012 11:12 PM

Salvania
 
Unfortuantly my marsh is now full of it. Thoughts on how to get it out of my marsh and open the water back up?

PaulMyers 10-04-2012 11:35 PM

A mixture of 2-4-D and round-up.

BIG-C 10-05-2012 04:54 AM

Chemcal called Reward.

Raymond 10-05-2012 05:50 AM

Noxioux Aquatic plant specialist for the state of Louisiana is in abbéville. They will know what will control it, salvinia is a problem nationwide and will never be eradicated.

cmcnabb 10-05-2012 06:08 AM

Unless you kill every piece it will come back. The two best things that can rid salvania is a flood where it all runs out, or a drought and it dries up and dies

swamp snorkler 10-05-2012 06:39 AM

Better hope for a hard freeze this winter also.

Top Dawg 10-05-2012 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG-C (Post 500694)
Chemcal called Reward.

^^^^

davidkyle323 10-05-2012 07:04 AM

The chemical that kills it is expensive and it will come back, we have a canal leading to our pond from the river, we just run the canal and clean it out real good then put mud boat in the mouth of the canal leading into pond and pump it all out of the pond, we get a couple other boats to run around the pond and keep it stirred up while pumping. It actually works quite well, took us a couple years of fighting with this crap and trying everrything u can imagine to get rid of it and this is the best thing we have come up with so far.

davidkyle323 10-05-2012 07:06 AM

we just drive the boat against a tree and use the boat to pump it.

Bacon 10-05-2012 07:14 AM

Once you get it out use some containment boom to help keep it out. Also here in Terrebonne there are locations that are "growing" salvinia weevils. Check around your area to see if there are any near you.

Duck Butter 10-05-2012 07:21 AM

Yes, 2,4D will kill it. Will have to spray it twice more than likely to get to the plants underneath the top layer. Like said above if you can get some containment boom to keep it from coming in that works well. Good luck this stuff is the devil and has zero wildlife value. The 2,4D will also kill your favorable plants if you spray it on them

leblanc272 10-05-2012 07:26 AM

Reward is trade name for Diquat. it will burn it back, not kill it. In my many years spraying ponds and lakes on Golf Courses, I have never had Reward (Diquat) kill anything and it is pretty damn expensive. Also, do not get caught spraying Roundup in water. It is not labeled and can come with a hefty fine. The Aquatic Glysohates like AquaNeat, Aquamaster are basiccaly Roundup with a spreader sticker added so it will stick to the plants leaf tissue. 2-4D will also help. Mix some 2-4D with a Clay floor dry in a bucket, and chunk it out in variuos spots, this will allow you to get the chemical below the surface. also mix it with the Glysophate for spraying on top

davidkyle323 10-05-2012 09:23 AM

X2 on the chemical boom we also use them after clearing the pond.

kibb 10-05-2012 10:21 AM

I just spoke to a chemical salesman yesterday about this problem. Rodeo is an aquatic glyphosate which is the same as Round-up with and aquatic use label. Diquat is an aquatic 2,4-D which is the same as 2,4-D with and aquatic use label. As stated before, don't get caught using chemicals not labeled for aquatic use. Do a tank mix according to the labels. You will have to do numerous applications as it's not going to be a one time deal. Once you have a knock-down reapply anything remaining. Keep doing this until it is gone.

ckinchen 10-05-2012 10:41 AM

I have talked to a few people myself this morning and thanks guys for all of the advice. This is not going to be an easy process. I had what was going to be a great freshwater area for duck season this year. Now I guess we will have to see.

ckinchen 10-05-2012 11:09 AM

Any idea of stores near me in Houston or Lake Charles that would sale these chemicals?

jchief 10-05-2012 11:13 AM

probably any feed store

davidkyle323 10-05-2012 12:29 PM

G&H in Iowa

ckinchen 10-05-2012 12:47 PM

I just went to tractor supply in Tomball they had everything. Nice way to spend $1,200.

Micah 10-05-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 500818)
I just went to tractor supply in Tomball they had everything. Nice way to spend $1,200.

Ouch

speck-chaser 10-05-2012 12:52 PM

Wow, you musta got a lot,or paid a lot.lol I can get those chemicals in at my nursery for pretty good rates.

PaulMyers 10-05-2012 12:56 PM

:eek:
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Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 500818)
I just went to tractor supply in Tomball they had everything. Nice way to spend $1,200.

:eek:

ckinchen 10-05-2012 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by speck-chaser (Post 500823)
Wow, you musta got a lot,or paid a lot.lol I can get those chemicals in at my nursery for pretty good rates.

Need to treat about 100 acres or more.

BROWN FIN 10-05-2012 01:25 PM

Add a little dish soap to the mixture before spraying. This will help is stick.


BROWN FIN

davidkyle323 10-05-2012 02:33 PM

Man u gonna b depressed when u show up next year and its all back!! lol

kibb 10-05-2012 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BROWN FIN (Post 500838)
Add a little dish soap to the mixture before spraying. This will help is stick.


BROWN FIN

True but surfactant is cheap and they wont have to fight with foaming.

kibb 10-05-2012 02:46 PM

Ckinchen, check your pm.

jchief 10-05-2012 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kibb (Post 500879)
True but surfactant is cheap and they wont have to fight with foaming.

yeah, but we talking an ounce of soap to 10 gallons of water, right?

jchief 10-05-2012 03:20 PM

All your looking for is something to "break" the surface tension of the water to allow it to "stick" to whatever you are spraying.

jchief 10-05-2012 03:21 PM

Casey, can you drain your marsh?

ckinchen 10-05-2012 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jchief (Post 500896)
Casey, can you drain your marsh?

Yes I can, I doubt it would all dry out and leave me enough time to PAY to have water pumped back in. The water would easily cost me 8K or so. I can drain it after duck season, then what? Hope it dry's out? Try to burn it?

jchief 10-05-2012 03:45 PM

[QUOTE=ckinchen;500900]Yes I can, I doubt it would all dry out and leave me enough time to PAY to have water pumped back in. The water would easily cost me 8K or so. I can drain it after duck season, then what? Hope it dry's out? Try to burn it?[/QUOTE]

The last part is what I was thinking about. If we have a dry spring/summer this may be a way to get rid of it and not control it.

hankscke123 10-05-2012 06:29 PM

i hade a awsome bass pond for the wife and kids and this stuff got in it and ruined it.i tried everthing even seine it out it keep comming back but like they said spay and mix it around.

cajunforeman 10-05-2012 09:16 PM

Those web footed creatures ain't cheap that's for sure. I figured it out last year and it will make a banker sick the amount we paid for each duck last year but I wouldn't trade it for the world!!

ckinchen 10-05-2012 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cajunforeman (Post 500975)
Those web footed creatures ain't cheap that's for sure. I figured it out last year and it will make a banker sick the amount we paid for each duck last year but I wouldn't trade it for the world!!

Man no kidding, I may be broke by the end of the season.

beccrossee 10-05-2012 10:06 PM

If you have water right now, forget about eradication this year. I'm in the same boat your in. Maybe try the tarp trick for a landing hole. After 2,4d the hyacinth took a squat but the salvania more than compensated for it. Woodies and squeelers seemed to make the mix with duck weed turn to pure salvenia. I can't drain or keep water low so reward will bankrupt me. I hope to hell the ldwf can find a way to keep this stuff in check with wevels below I10.

ckinchen 10-10-2012 02:41 PM

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I went down to the lease on Sunday and sprayed all day here are some pictures when I got there. It looks like I have common Salv not Giant.

ckinchen 10-10-2012 02:43 PM

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Here is a picture from the canal (which is thick) leading to the pond area. The Salv is much more green in the canal for some reason. I did have the ponds sprayed for cat tail earlier in the year by a helicopter service, I am not sure why there is a difference in color.

Duck Butter 10-10-2012 03:21 PM

That is common salvinia for sure. That is depressing looking at that but its good you are trying to get ahead of it which in many situations is all you can do. You may be lucky though if you can drain it after the season

How do you think it got in there? Is your area leveed off?


and...did you wash your boat and trailer?:eek::)

PaulMyers 10-10-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 502472)

How do you think it got in there? Is your area leveed off?


and...did you wash your boat and trailer?:eek::)

It was already there.

ckinchen 10-10-2012 03:28 PM

It was sitting on the east side of the property for a few years somewhat choked off then the heavy summer rains we had pushed it over to the west (good) side of the property.

Duck Butter 10-10-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 502475)
It was already there.

Its the devil, but seems like Casey is a man on a mission

ckinchen 10-10-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 502485)
Its the devil, but seems like Casey is a man on a mission

I am going to do my best....

From what I understand while both are bad, common is not as thick or aggressive, is that true? At least I started on this before there was no water showing.

noodle creek 10-10-2012 05:43 PM

I know miami corp is using weevils in all their marshes now. Havent heard how good they work though

boatdriver 10-11-2012 07:29 AM

Sup Noodle! You alive man?

mcjaredsandwich 10-11-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 502532)
I know miami corp is using weevils in all their marshes now. Havent heard how good they work though

lmao gotta spread them damn weevils!

noodle creek 10-11-2012 11:46 AM

Yeah brady i'm making it. Just trying to get by until duck season. You been doing alright?

noodle creek 10-11-2012 11:47 AM

Haha sammich knows about them weevils. Lmao had to have been there.

noodle creek 10-11-2012 11:47 AM

Casey is that in your marsh south of Klondike?

Duck Butter 10-11-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckinchen (Post 502512)
I am going to do my best....

From what I understand while both are bad, common is not as thick or aggressive, is that true? At least I started on this before there was no water showing.

Common is 'better' to have than giant yes. And by you getting on top of this early you have a much better chance of controlling it than most people. Also, you doing it yourself has a better chance of controlling it, and you also have the ability to drain which is the best thing. Not saying that LDWF doesn't do a good job spraying, they surely do..but when its on your own private place you have a little more at stake than they do. Giant salvinia is what is on Lake Bistineau in the NW part of the state. You can read up on what it has done to Lake Bistineau, its bad


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