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Looking at getting this gun for concealed carry. Thoughts??

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/32541

Just don't buy from Buds!!!! If theres a problem they are hell to deal with!!!!

Thanks Jeff.

Actually hoping to find a used one

Link says product not found... What kind of gun is it?

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Link works for me.

It is a Springfield XD Subcompact 9mm Trijicon Night Sights from Bud's

Nice! I have the Trijicon sights on my M&P 9 and they are top notch. Looks like a great gun for CC.

you might enter your search on gallery of guns. I just bought a gun off of their site,and it was very simple and quick. great pricing too.

Gun weighs 26 oz. pretty heavy for CC. You can get a "baby" Glock in 9mm or .40 cal that's under 20oz.

I carry a 357 S&W arilight hammer less. Very light gun and easy to hide. It only holds 5 shots but IMO if you need more than one or two you should not be carrying.

thats one of the best concealed carry guns, I'm more comfortable carrying a revolver in a pocket holster rather then carrying a semi-auto in a inside the pant holster, I like some of the inside the pant holsters but there very uncomfortable when driving or sitting.

Get a kimber ultra tle II

Just think of all the times I have been fishing with you r Trey I was always strapped. Baby Glock in the 45 cal. The worse cal. to get is a 9mm to fast no knock down power. The 40 cal is good, but proven time and time again one shot one kill 45 cal. NIck name the flying ashtray.

I have thought about a .40 hard, but I already have 2 9's, so kind of wanted to stay with the same cal. That way I only need to hoard one size shell..:grinpimp:

i have bought 6 guns from Buds without issue.

:rolleyes:


9mm (124gr)
Muzzle Velocity - 1180 fps
Energy delivered on target - 383 ft lbs

40 S&W (165 gr)
Muzzle velocity -1150 fps
Energy delivered on target - 485 ft lbs

45 ACP (230 gr)
Muzzle Velocity - 875 fps
Energy delivered on target - 391 ft lbs

http://billstclair.com/energy.html

A well placed 9mm will be just as effective as a poorly placed .45acp. Many people can shoot the 9mm faster, with faster follow up shots because they produce less recoil. Assuming you hit the bad guy in a vital area with your first shot from a .45acp, then yes, you could argue it will likely have greater effectiveness. But that's a big IF!

Most .45acp handguns tend to be large and heavy. Those that aren't tend to be very hard for most people to control. Usually you will have to fire more than one shot. So all of the internet commando's that brag about their one shot stopping power, will actually miss 75% of the time. The FBI determined that only 20% of law enforcement shootings were over in just one shot. That means a lot of missing takes place.



That XD sub is pretty bulky, IMO.

The FBI determined

This is your first problem reading some Internet BS about what study they did when it was never a study done just paperwork that was sent to them from random dept. They didn't even do field work.

Second problem I work with handguns everyday in my job and have been doing so for about 20 years now. I also teach people how to put lead on target and when they can not hit with what they carry guess what we switch them to so they can get the basic fundamentals of shooting down a 45acp so there goes your second theory about to much recall all the muzzle charts you put up proved what I said the 45acp has less sharp recall.

So in closing don't believe everything you read on the Internet. I use true life facts that I have been dealing with for about 20 years now. Also one other piece of info why is it that most specialized LEO units r going back to the 45acp. Just true fact that I deal with in my life no Internet here.




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A 9mm has no knock down power? Lmao seriously? Let me shoot you in the chest with a 9mm then

d*** popo's

Get your *** out of your face

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Shot placement and efficient bullet expansion will always win this battle

http://www.abaris.net/info/ballistic...ping-power.htm

This is a field study no internet. The distance was the same for all shots and same name brand of ammo which was all home defense loads. Barrel length was the same for all weapons used for the test.

9mm notice two shots in ballistic gelatin
Attachment 41721

40 cal.
Attachment 41722

45acp
Attachment 41723

Tell me which one you would take a chance with rattling around in your body.

Internet studies=paperwork being sent to them
Field studies=see results right then and there with your own eyes:eek:

Who cares how far it goes through your ballistics gel. Would a 9mm round through the chest just "piss you off"? If you believe that you are one ignorant sob

Play nice

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I'm just giving facts and I don't remember calling anyone names on he and the only ignorant person here is the one that has to resort to cussing someone over the Internet. This is only done because the person doing the cussing is to ignorant to use anything but a cuss word because his vocabulary is not that broad. Hope I didn't use to many big words for you. If you would like a dictionary to look up the words used let me know.




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.45 ACP period for me. I was in the USMC when they switched to 9mm and everyone who could kept their 45's. The Marine Corps pistol team never switched nor did Recon. Now they are going back to 45's after poor performance in Iraq and Afghanistan Corps wide. That speaks volumes. The majority of LEO's i know choose .45's or .357's if they have a choice. If I ever have the need to shoot someone I want them to STOP right there, a .45 does that. Just my .02

I'm with McNabb I'm not a hand gun guy but if the bullet didn't bounce off your gel that means it will drop a motha frigger

Very well said and a very intelligent man


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If you're going to speak about someone's limited vocabulary, at least have decent grammar skills...

I have all 3 calibers I've shot all 3 calibers....no doubt .45 acp is the most devastating round down range...but I'd deff trust my life with my Springfield xdm 9 mm and all 19 rounds of hell that is in it...all 3 will kill a man PERIOD...I may stop u in one shot from my glock 21 which is why I love this round but I'm also telling you If I don't stop you in 1 shot from my 9mm xdm I will have 18 more to follow and I practice a whole lot to assure I will be as devastatingly accurate as possible in a situation I need to be

Ive got 2 that are both fantastic for what they are........1 is Springfield XDs 45. Other is Ruger SR-22. 22 is light and elegant......45 is an *** woopin waitin to happen! Both are very thin for CC.

Carry what you will, nobody is a lesser being based on their caliber of choice.

This debate will never end, but the fact remains that either of these rounds placed properly will dispatch a man - all have been doing so for many years.

Like proper shot placement, proper spelling and proper punctuation are a must in any confrontation... There's no stopping power without proper placement, no matter what is being thrown.

Collin Ferguson boarded a train and shot over 20 people with a 9mm. Some in the head. Out of all the people he shot, I think only 2 or 3 died. A 9 is not an effective weapon especially against a cracked out thug.

I never heard about that one... Interesting.

Old thread coming back to life?

This is about the only place I can read about guns right now, the rig I'm on has a block on every gun related site I've tried. It's brutal!!!!!!!!!!!

Not necessarily. It might take 4 bullets from a 9 to drop a "motha frigger" which means while you are shooting him he is still shooting at you.

The most effective caliber is the one you can shoot accurately. You wouldn't give your 7 year old a 10 gauge to take teal hunting and expect him to drop em every shot. No, because he can't accurately handle that size weapon. If you can shoot a great pattern and double tap a .45 accurately, then that's your caliber. If you can't then try .40. Still can't? Try 9mm. Still can't? Try .380. I'd rather be missed by .50 cal than hit by a .22. Debate over.

Not really! With practice, any caliber that you choose you can be accurate with. You should always practice. Simply buying a pistol and sticking it in your pants won't really cut it without practice at the range. Choose a round, choose a gun that fits your hands nicely and then load up on ball ammo and go to the range. Go to the range often. Stay practiced up. The more you practice the more accurate you will be. So there, debate over!!

Amen to that. You could kill somebody with a pellet gun with a well placed shot. It all depends on effectiveness of the shooter.

If you look at all the shootout videos today, you will see that most of the thugs perpetrating the crime will turn tail as soon as they see their "victims" are also armed. They don't care what caliber it is. They just know this mo fo has a gun too, and he looks like he's actually trained with it. I don't care what you carry, JUST CARRY!

Oh come on people. The purpose is to stop the threat with one shot! Otherwise, you are still getting shot at by the perp. You are in an extremely tense situation when it comes to a shoot out. You may not be the most accurate with 10 lbs of adrenaline beating your brains out. So why choose a pellet gun or a .22? That's nuts! All this well placed shot stuff, like you just going to be standing there able to take careful aim. All you can do is aim somewhere center mass. You don't get to take the time to aim and shoot the heart. This ain't deer huntin.

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Cliff Notes
•No common handgun caliber has "stopping power"
•Many people survive handgun GSW's in all caliber a
•Shot Placement and accuracy far outweigh ballistic performance.

I heard a pintail whistle this morning!

Thanks for the history lesson. How many people did he shoot before someone stopped him? How effective was his weapon? Your a ****in genius

I'm gunna carry a cannon. On the barrel I'm gunna paint don't **** with me. Problem solved.

Impossible, Santa hasn't left the North Pole yet. I did make one break his neck after I whistled at him. Wouldn't even look with a quack, never beat another wing after I whistled.

Why is it so difficult for you to have an intelligent conversation? And just to set you straight, according the IQ test I took, I am a border line genius. Not quite a ****in genius but close enough. No need in splitting hairs right?

Somebody shooting 20 people with a 9 proves nothing I don't for concealed carry I don't care what kinda crack someone smoked they will go down if you get shot enough your not going to war bc you have a concealed gun your protecting yourself if you come to rob me or attack my wife and I shoot you with the 22 next to my door your not gonna keep coming and if you do I'll keep pumping hot s*^# in you till you stop if you wanna carry a bazooka in your pocket go for it

And I forgot they have a ballistics section on an IQ test

They also have punctuation, thereby making posts readable.

Well if your a border line genius then you can figure it out

This was a good read, minus the typos. I was on the unbiased because I own both .40 S&W and 9mm, but will probably get rid of the 9 and add another .40 to the mix.

I like having 17 rounds in the Glock, but 50 cent got shot in the face and can still rap - for that 9mm, you must me shunned for not finishing the job in 9 tries and letting him live to pollute the airwaves and minds of our offspring...

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