Am I wrong for this
 

I brought my father in law to the lease with us for thanksgiving and I told him Ten times that he could shoot a doe or a buck 8 points or better. Well this morning he shot a 3 point and I got pissed off about it and told him he had to pay the 250 fine and now I'm on probation for a year. Just pisses me off. Well now the wife is pissed at me because I told him something. Going back to the stand screw a turkey.

My grandpa kicked one of his best friends off of a lease one yr opening week over same situation no refund no second chance...... rules are rules, he's lucky it don't cause a more serious situation

Just take me and I will shoot all the does.. I'm a doe slayer ...

No, I'd do the same

I'm a little jealous I don't have a story like that. I'd love to see the looks on both of your faces, two totally opposite emotions - "Check it, I gots me a buck on Turkey Day Son in Law!" "You MoFo! Cancel dinner, and Christmas!!"

Classic...

Not wrong at all . Lucky you didn't get the boot from the club. I say FIL needs to pay up and wife needs to shut up.

Ha! She make da chedda and has da law license!

She also will say NO to you know what until you say you sorry whether you wrong or not.

If he knowingly broke the rules, he should pay the fine.

Hand her the bill for it! I'd been all over someone, regardless of relation, for this! In my mind, its a blatant disregard for your and club rules.

if he has ANY hunting experience at all, this is on his tab........

Our club only allows payed guest to shoot spikes or hogs. They will kick you off in a heart beat for one of your guest violating the rules. Seem fair he pay the fine. Its just a shame you are on egg shells for a year.

Just pay the fine comes from the same account. It removes family tension. Then next time you know who not to invite.

No, you are not wrong!

He needs to take responsibility for his actions, accident or not.

Not wrong at all.....rules are rules. Our lease has similar rules and if you break them you pay a fine,plain and simple.

He paid the fine wife is still mad. He was on the list to get in if they have an opening. He can no longer get in.

I'd be pissed too because he broke the rules. But I surely don't understand the rule. Does the club prefer you shoot 1.5-2.5 year old 8 points rather that 3,4,5 points?

Pretty simple. If it has less than 8 points, don't shoot it. :smokin:

I'd be pissed also but if it was a old deer then it needed to be taken out anyway, but bottom line, rules are rules and he shouldn't have broken them. I would have made him pay also.

So why did he shoot something he wasn't sposed to? What did he have to say for himself? I'd have him talk to his daughter and explain that what he did was wrong and that he has to take responsibility. And tell her to just get unmad!

Thats the problem. Thats not good herd management. A 3 point deer any age should be killed so he doesn't reproduce. a 1.5 to 4.5 year old 8 point should never be killed so he can reproduce.

I agree

Me and my son watched a 8 point last weekend that was a young very nice 8. 1.5-2.5 yo. If I had let my son shot him I'd have gotten a hear full from the ranch owner. If I had seen a 5 point the same age and had let him walk I'd have gotten the same ear full.

That said if the FIL broke the rule then i'd have be pissed and made him pay the fine.

Lots of clubs have this rule. I agree with you but it's better than no rules or "4 point or better" or something like that. In LA, your chances of seeing an 8 point are a whole lot less than your chances of seeing say a 4 or 6 point. Texas is totally different management tactics. Cant compare TX and LA deer hunting. You see an 8 point every hunt in TX. Club I grew up hunting in was 8 point or better with a 16" minimum inside spread. I saw people get fined for shooting 15" inside spreads. Where I hunt now it is just a few of us. Rules are simple. If you shoot a buck you have to shoulder mount it.

In Texas they don't want 8 points. They want you to kill every 8 point you see. They consider them management bucks. They say that they never get bigger than an 8 point. I used to hunt in Laredo. Texans consider just about everything besides 10+ points a "cull" buck. I don't really agree with this logic I wouldn't shoot young 8s. I'm not going to shoot a buck unless I'm mounting it.

That's not good herd management. Shouldn't kill any 1.5 year olds if you are trying to manage a herd for quality bucks. It's been proven that 1.5 year old spikes can and will be 8 or 10 point deer at 2.5. Point restrictions isn't good herd management but since no one knows how to age deer on the hoof it's the next best thing. Besides, doe genetics have as much to do with good bucks as the buck's genes do, so in the end, it's really a crap shoot.

I understand the TX/LA differance. I grew up hunting in a club with some crazy rules. I never could get it thru their hard heads that age is more important than points. I'm no expert but logic tells you when you have a bunch of goofy a** scrub bucks running around they make more scrub bucks. Those scrubs keep the studs away when the stud has to fight 10 of them for the does. Most of the stuff I've read and heard is a deer at 4.5yo is what he is for life.

I hunted last week in N La at a friends place. They have 28 doe tags and have filled 2 and will probably fill 5 all year:D I went just to hang out and to shoot a doe. First afternoon hunted a bottom and 2 does get 50 yards away, small 8 pt comes in and runs them for a minute. Friend texted me and I told him what was going on and he texts me back to not shoot a doe because they are rutting. The 2 does come back and eat acrons for 5 minutes 50 yards away.

Next morning, a nice 7 pt walks down the trail I am hunting, let him walk

That afternoon I am sitting on a pipeline and see a 6, a spike, and 3 does. The rules state that NO does are to be shot from the pipeline:rotfl: Some of the rules are ridiculous and take the fun out of hunting. I would not have shot any of those bucks because some kid would love to shoot one but I had shots at 5 does and came home empty handed.

Trophy deer management is for the birds in louisiana unless you have a controlled herd (high fence). This deer hunting is getting a little silly when an 8 yr old is telling me about 'double-lunging' a 3.5 yr old 8 pt that scored --- inches:help:


and to the original poster, he was wrong:)

In Louisiana most 'big bucks' that get killed are 4.5 years old, they are not even in their prime yet. A 6.5 yr old buck in Louisiana is a rarity

Just go out and shoot some deer and if they are big put em on the wall if not just eat em that is the whole point of deer on this earth

haven't seen that data.

Tex Dept of wildlife used data from aTm, Kerr wildlife and LSU ag and says otherwise.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publicat...w7000_0247.pdf

I knew that would come up. I have read where this study alone has done more damage than anything. It has since been debunked but has trained many to stick to it and shoot all spikes. Do some digging around and check it out.

That's my thinking.

My Boss told me he hunted Friday-Monday 2 hunts each day..... seen 27 deer mostly does and didn't pull the trigger because he wants a big buck....... he also told me he doesn't eat deer so it doesn't matter if he see something or not. I say put some meet in the freezer, however, I love deer meat.

We have seen the quality of the deer on our club improve dramatically over the last 5 years. 5 years ago I may have shot the deer that my FIN shot, but I know what not shooting the younger deer can do to the bucks on a larger club. The six point he shot weight 98lbs and was a 1 1/2 year old deer. It had an decent rack for a deer that young and could have been a really good deer in a few years. He hunts the swamp on a club that runs dogs. The name of the club should be IF ITS BROWN ITS DOWN b/c they shoot anything the dogs run. I can hear them in back of my house when they run dogs boom boom boom all the hunters shooting as the deer runs past. He was told several times that he could shoot a doe or an 8 point or better. The worst part of the deal is he was excited about a baby deer when I drove up to pick him up when I had passed on a 2 ½ year old 6 that morning and a 3 ½ year old 8 the night before.
I don’t care for the 6 point rule and wish the club could go to a rule about shooting bucks that are 4 1/2 yrs. or older but most people have no Idea what a 4 1/2 deer looks like. I have a BS in Biology/wildlife management and can tell the difference but most cant.

Yep, I have tried and tried to tell people that seeing a bunch of deer is not a good thing if you are trying to manage for big bucks.

Yep, most people have never seen a 4 1/2 year old buck in the daylight, especially standing still:rotfl:

Want to scare yourself about the people you hunt with ability to age deer sent them this.

http://www.whitetaildomains.com/Shoo...ootOrWait.aspx

Most people don't realize how important it is to shoot does and keep a good doe to buck ratio either.

thats pretty good stuff on there thanks

I don't hunt at all, but I do understand the respect that sportsmen are supposed to have between themselves. I know for a fact that you are not wrong for telling him anything, and I would never invite him on such a hunt ever again. He needs to pay up and the wife needs to hush up. He can have no valid arguement for shooting a three point, especially if you specifically told him doe/8 points or more..... I know I'd be a pissed of SOB

Maybe it's wrong data but it seems to be working on our ranch. We have to age 10s before shooting. Not a lot of scrubs in the herd. When we see them we kill them. Very few does are killed because the ratio is maybe 2:1. The spikes argument is useless in Louisiana anyway cause some dumb *** we shoot the young 8 but let the spikes walk. Common sense doesn't come into play

I agree with you . Rules are rules, but it looks like you won't need any Viagra for a while till the heat wears off.

The father in law should pay the fine. The wife needs to get over it.

As for horns, they don't taste good...So why shoot a buck that will not go on the wall? Shoot a doe. Every management system I been part of seems to want does shot.

If you are hunting with a young/inexperienced hunter. And anything walks out. Make it fun. Don't be a harda$$.

Does need to be shot. Lots of em. All you see! I would wager the entire state of Louisiana is out of kilter when it comes to buck to doe ratio.

She is better now hard headed but came arourd to my thinking..














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She was just horney last night

Where the horns up above the ears so he could see them? Any way that this was just an honest mistake?

Despite what they say, women need loving too!

He was wrong and she was wrong, get them both to admit it (easier said than done) and then you can move on. An apology is certainly in order as well. If neither of these events take place you need to re-evaluate your relationship with them both. Sorry this happened to you.