2013 Snapper season changes
 

10 miles off the coast does not give you much fishing areas though.

On the east side it does

Leaves you with venice....that area gunna get pounded

By Louisiana going "non compliant" There is no one to enforce it. They would need federal agents checking boats at 10 miles offshore. I think it is a move to get Texas to do the same. And make the National marine fishery to have a change of heart. But who knows?

Texas an Florida already have state seasons and Texas state waters extend to 3 leagues already

So its only La.,MS, and Al. that have no state seasons?

Definitely a move in the right direction but not where it needs to be YET.

I'm guessing u can keep bull reds out to 10miles also, this should be interesting in fishing tournments

I would think it would apply to redfish as well. If this all goes through.

On the other hand. Federal waters will be the shortest season ever.

Yes you can

As long as you make it back in the 10 mile zone your fine!!

There is zero shortage of red snapper in the gulf of mexico , every platform I have worked at in waters from 60-150 ft have been loaded with snapper

Late last year we went out to catch mangroves. We were catching red snapper on the surface. There was no way to get past em. I think there is an over population on most of the rigs. We had some young boys on the boat so we were going to troll to let them fight a couple of kings. Guess what we caught red snapper trolling rapala deep diving plugs! Never seen that before.

Best thing ive found for kings is 4oz diamond jigs

Check the State map. They have one on the LDWF site. A lot of it is based on the land when the 3 mile line was drawn. A lot of that original land has dissapeared. In some places the 10.357 mile line is beyond what we can measure. I have asked for some #'s but so far nothing available. Red Snapper can be found on structure as shallow as 30 feet.

Should be easy pickins outts venice.....little bit of a ride from Grand Isle, but still worth it cause I see nothing about AJ's being closed during snappet season like it has been the last few years

Or you could launch in venice like a white person would. :work:

I would, but some folks get sea sick!! Ive seen it!!

The heat got to me.....that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I didn't get sick on the tuna trip,wasn't 110 degrees with no shade.

Nope, Texas is the only state at this time with it's own state Red Snapper season. Florida, last year became non-compliant regarding grouper in a small area of the state.

Hopefully Fl will follow La and go non-compliant this year.

Jimmy

Oh yeah......I forgot about that! I was talking bout my wife, wasnt calling you out......

Florida su***. Worst regulations ever. They will never follow anything we do.

Makes alot of sense doesn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=kYFKLkC7tpE

I see no reason for the states to rebel and make there own season. Hell those hippies are getting stoned in public in other states and fed wont enforce that

That make me sick! In the last few years I have noticed rigs have been disappearing and never thought about that.


BROWN FIN

This is part of the oil field , 1st off it cost oil companies lots of money to keep a platform with zero income up. You still have to keep it in compliance ,.Coast Guard and BSSE regulations. Plus maintain it to a safe structure along with keeping navigation on it working.
I have watched more charter boats kill red snapper here in the gulf than any platform removal. The 1st year it went to 2 snapper per person , I watched and took picture (made a post on here) of them kill about a hundred snapper that floated off. I saw this many of times and still see it today!
When a platform is placed In the Gulf , no where does it state that it is a fish habitat . Once it has ran its time it will be removed !
This video is a rare case because we just removed 6 platforms and very few fish were harmed less than 20.

W the oil companies want to leave the rigs up not take them down. It is much cheaper to abandon a rig (and even keep it compliant from a safety standpoint) than it is to decommission one.

No that is not in all cases , it costs flight time and up keep to maintain a unused platform,, if it is a field with close by transportation is might be. But the ones we just pulled out needed millions of dollars of sand blasting and consturction to keep in compliance.

If you do not flow a platform for a certain # of years you have to remove it and 80% of oil companies agree and want to have removed
#1 cost money with no income
#2 have to visit so many days a week (on contract )
#3 have to do monthly compliance and Coast Guard
#4 if government finds any thing out of compliance can cost hefty fines in lump sum or each day!

Interesting, my clients would disagree. At the last OTC conference in Houston (your company was there), a big topic of discussion as it has been for the past several years was how much the Companies wanted something to be done about the federally mandated decommission rules for offshore platforms. That being said, like most subjects you know more than the experts.

As far as ocean life is concerned that is no vaild argument to be made that would support taking down the rigs, the rigs are a valuable reef resource in the gulf and taking down the rigs the way they are being taken down wihtout a doubt kills oceanic lifeforms.

As is always the case, when a subject comes up that in some small way crosses something that you do, you immediatley jump on the side that you think benefits you, however in this argument big oil and conservationist (not the ones that live in Washington) are on the same page, rig removal is not good for either party.

He drinks oil so, how could you or any other person know more than him?! Those conferences don't know what's really happening. LOL!

LMAO. Of course they would say that!!! Perfect world (Houston Meetings) vs Real World (gulf of Mexico)
Com on man!! You know better than that !

Every time I went to Houston , I can promise it never happens the way it does in a class room or power point ! NEVER!!!

They are going to tell public exactly what they want to hear!!!

And like I said (find my old post with Picks) I have saw more charter boats kill snapper than from a platform removal !!!

So In real world you should only keep 1st two snapper you catch (no size limit.) this would save hundreds of snapper from floating off and becoming shark and pelican meals

How would a rough neck like you possibly know what the cost to decommission v/s keep a rig in the gulf would be for a specific company on a specific rig? I didn't realize you also had an accounting certificate as part of your GED program.

This is a meeting of CEO's, CFO's and CAO's (chief accounting officers) from the top 100 oil companies in the world, not a group of people that don't know what is really going on. This is not a college classroom platform. Not that you would know what goes on in a college classrom, I am just saying....

Most people would agree with you if the point you are trying to make is the current snapper size and overall number regulations makes zero sense and actually harms the fishery. That is why the states are trying to do thier own thing.

Because the Bosses offshore know the cost and believe me they let us know daily of cost!

We have project bugets !! We know the cost of everything from cook and galley.hand to oil sales per day !

Bottom line is Oil Companies have agreement and lease ! You place platform at your cost and remove platform at your cost!

If you have an old house that is falling down, do you not tear it down because a owl and sparrows made a nest and home??

Where did anyone complain about oil companies not cleaning up after themselves and who has the FAS 143 plug and abandoment/decommsion cost? I think the argument is about the required timing by the government and the methods that are being used as a result.

Geez this is like arguing with a 4th grader.

Nevermind.

In perfect world case !!! One removal we just did cost about 2.3 mill

Work needed cost about 1.8 mill

When a well is made you have money allocated for removal of that platform, a abandon platform is sitting in saltwater !!

Now if you had a 2 pile structure that would cost 10mill to remove it could be worth the delay, but when ot starts rusting up the repair damage will cost in the millions also!

The platform on that vid cost about 500,000 in PNA and about 1.5 to remove , which money has already been allocated for that!

Think about what you are saying here W, oil companies favor having the government tell them they must have a rig out by X date v/s allowing them to take thier time and do it as they see fit or as becomes more cost effective? They like having more restrictions setup for them? I doubt it.

You cannot win trying to talk sense into lil man....it's like trying to drive nails into a brick wall. :work:

And this is a fact Jack , most Foreman's offshore know 100xs more than a guy in the office pushing papers and #s !!

See my post above, you are saying companies want the government to tell them when they have to do something. If it were better to blow rigs up the day a rig become a dry hole or is non productive then why were there rigs just sitting out in the gulf for 10+ years?

I'm done with the thread, you need alot more tools than you have for us to have this conversation.

The foreman offshore knows more about running the rig, yep I would agree with that. The CEO probably knows a little bit more about managing[SIZE=2][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/SIZE]cash flow and making payroll. This is a financial issue not a who can find the oil and run the rig issue. Again let's drop it, I wish I would have never pointed out was is very obvious to the rest of us to you.

Government has to enforce laws or you could get a maw and paw company who just let's a platform rust to no end and fall over in a small storm .
So yes government laws are in place for my safety and everyone else safety ! I sure the hell don't want to walk on a platform and fall though grading ?


Have you ever been offshore ??

Now we are on safety....lol here we go. This a tread about snapper

Its a platform,, not a rig!!! Rig is what drills for oil! They move and are not stationary

Platform,, is what produces oil! It is placed stationary

Know your facts before you try to argue at point you have zero knowledge about!

Ok and Mr. Rig know it all do you know how that takes place? A bond yep even a mom and pop can (and does) drill offshore if they can put up a bond to cover the P&A cost. Totally different subject but you are reaching now.

35% or more of my firms business comes from either the upstream or downstream energy sector. We have several clients with operations in the gulf most of which are very small players which is why I stay up to speed regarding regulations. This is a financial conversation which is why I find it so funny you try to come on here and speak as an authority and with conviction. Have you ever taken an advanced finance class? Tell us about Sunk cost and opportunity cost.

Or better yet don't and lets just drop it.

They only reason I posted was becuase of the bad information you were providing to the members of the board. I should realize that most people on the site do not listen to you on any matter other than fishing. That is the one area you are an expert and I tip my cap to you. Even then you let your personal agenda spew into fishing conversations such as this and the oil spill.