What Would You Do?
 

To start my 15 year old boy is a level headed, sharp yound man. That being said.
He is taking a spanish class (required course) and his teacher wants the class to say the Pledge of Alliegence in spanish. He told the teacher he wouldnt do it. I agree with him 100%. I told him he was more than welcome to make a zero on that assignment. He's a free thinker and we encourage that within reason. Im proud of him for standing his ground and refusing to say the Pledge in a foreign language. I understand the merits of the class but the Pledge is sacred ground IMO.

Wouldn't he only need to say the pledge of allegiance in America?

The language in the US is English. You and he made the right choice.

I don't know about making an English speaking natural born citizen sing it in Spanish, but an legalized immigrant singing it in their native tongue may not be a problem. If they don't speak any language other than their native language I would be glad they are paying homage to the country. Don't forget our ancestors were all immigrants in the beginning.

Exactly my thoughts. Unfortunatly we will soon be a predominate spanish country if the flood gates arent closed. Between the mexicans and the muslims sheet is gettin real in a hurry.

Point taken and I realize that. Asking an English speaking American to recite the pledge in a foreign language is too much though. IMO

Yeah it is. I know that wasn't the question, but was just adding that because even though illegals need to be sent back citizenized ones do get some hate. I figured sooner or later the thread may turn that way.

Did you know the USA has no official language? It's awesome that he's standing up for something, but I don't see it as unpatriotic.

Wasnt trying to dog you so I hope it didnt come across that way. I have a good friend that was an Hungarian Olypian and now is an American citizen and even a Sherrifs deputy for our parish. People doing it right have all of my support.

The last sentence is a joke right? It is very sad that we do not have english as our official language. We have a bunch of pu??y politicians to thank for that.

It wasn't. In French class we were required to say the pledge in French. Also, had to learn prayers in French.

No offense taken.

I think that being required to learn to pledge of allegiance in another language may lead young people to think about the actual words being said. May not be a bad idea. Saying the pledge an additional time in a day(in english in the morning and in spanish later in class) doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. I don't see what is unpatriotic about the exercise. I do wish less spanish and more french was taught in south louisiana though with the rich history that we have.

Agreed. My grandparents spoke French and my friends grandparents spoke German, but neither of us can. I think it's a shame

I would much rather he be learing french. Still not sure how I would feel about the pledge in french. I love and admire the heritage of our state so dont get me wrong. If we had (I think we should) a state pledge I think it should be spoken in cajun french. John

Valid points by everyone. If you arent willing to change your views based on new info you are wasting your life.

Well as a vet that has been in combat i see no issue with them saying it. I also support your and his right to refuse to say it in spanish. This is a personal choice and there is no right or wrong answer.

Thank you for your service. No matter what our opinion we owe it to people like you. Thank you sir and God Bless you and your family. John

The reason no official language is to keep the country as free as possible. 200+ years ago we had English, French, German, Dutch, Spanish (who at one time owned our little area known as Louisiana today) and many other settlements across the country.

I think the problem here is we associate this with our illegal immigration problems in this country. Language or an official language isn't the issue and personally I wouldn't support an official language. The last thing we need are more laws. We just need to enforce the ones on the books now and build a wall in the southern part of the country.

But our polititicians have no kahunas and are scared to be called cruel or bigets.

If your son is doing it for what he believes to be an attempt in the school to make a political statement then I say let him do it but I would check his grade in the class first. If he has bad grade then you might want to deal with it a different way.

I agree that there is no right or wrong answer IMO ... I think it's good for your son to take a stand on his beliefs as long as he's doing it for the right reasons, some kids would do it just for the attention and to look like a rebel (I don't at all think this is the case here) and that's not right, but it seems like he's doing it for the right reasons so good for him!!

I too am a vet that supports the idea that our official language should be English (The official language not saying others can't be spoken). As long as the wording and meaning isn't changed and that the pledge is being spoken in Spanish as a learning tool I have no problem with it. If it is being taught other than a learning tool or paying culture homage I am against it. In the case of French (Creole French if you will) think of the men and women that have fought and died for this country that only spoke that language. Case in point is how Louisiana got to be Fighting Tigers (legend is it comes from the civil war). I don't find speaking our oaths in another language simply to understand it and learn is disrespectful or harms our heritage. I do think doing it for other reasons very well could. Ok I've run my mouth too much and its just my 2 cents. Basically there is no absolute right or wrong answer.

He has an A in spanish. He likes the class but isnt willing to sell his priciples for a grade. This is why I suppport him. He's not a slacker.

You should praise him for that. While I have no problem for learning purposes. You and he are in a better position to judge what is right in your situation better than anyone else.

Then 100% support.

Could another explanation of the situation be that the teacher thinks that the entire class could more easily learn the word associations in Spanish by using something that everyone knows by heart already rather than the teacher pushing a liberal anti white English agenda? I applaud your son for taking a stand bc he felt that it was wrong, but I can recall learning the pledge in French and it didn't degrade my patriotism or love for this country and I didn't think the teachers were trying to make the class into French beret wearing citizens.

We used to say it and prayers in French in French class. I don't see anything wrong in saying it in Spanish. Many of our ancestors were persecuted for speaking French, even though they were good blooded Americans. Just some food for thought.

agree with what he did

This is very true but I have no control over what happened in the past.
I have no problem with him learning spanish. He will likely need it so he can understand what the local landscapers are talking and laughing about when he's in a store. That pisses me off more than anything. I hate being in a store and theres a group of mexicans talking that garbage and laughing amungst themselves. I would love to know w t f is so funny to them.

I also agree with what he did.

agree 100percent

Few things I learned about Nate since we became friends.

Loves kayaks

Above average fisherman

Hates him some Spanish !

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haha!

huh clampy?

I just dont like Illegals! not too picky

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you lost me right there duck, your son should stand up for what he believes in, but someones language shouldn't be what "pieces" you off, language barrier is the problem not the language, i agree they should learn to speak english also, but how do you know they don't know how to speak english if they are talking amongst each other, it bothers me that there are people that think we should cater to them and we need to learn how to speak their language to make their lives easier, i know if i were to travel to another country i would want to learn their ways and their language simply to make my life easier

This is exactly how i feel!

I take issue with even the legal ones. Most of them anyway. In Alexandria there is a growing population of mexican immigrants. They do not come here and try to be part of American society. They come here and try to evolve their own little mexican society. They set up little stores to cater to themselves. You go in them stores and your azz better be able to speak and read spanish. Aint no bi-lingual stuff in there. They come here and expect us to bend to their ways.
I know this isnt all of them just a large number of them.

The most important issue - you chose to support your teenagers decision to stand up for his belief. Good parenting is what you've done. As a father trying to raise a child with American values I applaud you.


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Thanks dave. It would be different if he was a slacker and I thought he was just trying to dodge the assignment. He does really well in that class (school overall) so I know he is doing this purely on principle. For that he has my full support.

Just messing with ya ;)


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I did the same w/ my son when he was in H.S. Except i would not force him to write a report on an African american for "Black history month". Had a great argument w/ his teacher. about why he wouldn't be writing the report. I let her rant and rave about how the black race had been held down by the white man for 150 years. Then i told her that i didn't believe that any race deserved to have their own history month. She stated that blacks deserved it because again they had been held down by the white man for over 150 years. I said ok who held you back from getting a college degree and becoming a teacher? Then after she sputtered and spit because she knew i was right she called me the dreaded word RACIST. Told her no i'm not racist ,i hate everyone equally. Then offered her a deal You find me some one (w/ proof ) that has held black people down since integration and i'll make sure my son writes a report on him / her. Never heard another word about it.

So you don't think the civil rights movement was anything your kid should have known about ?


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I agree with the right to not say the pledge in Spanish but I hardly think it's a sinister plot to make us speak Spanish or something silly like that.

I'm sure it was just a exercise in saying something in Spanish that is repetitive that's easy to recite and in the long run helps them learn Spanish. It is Spanish class after all.
I took 2 years of requires Spanish and I still can't speak a sentence of it.


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If or when you have a son then by all means let him sell his principles for a grade. Its your boy so more power to you. It is the principle of it in my view. We are getting closer to full implentation of "common core" which is a huge socialist program. They are slowly dilluting our childrem to be comfy with a one world society. If we wont stand or have the backbone to pet our children stand for their principles then will? Answer that for me.
Clampy keep this in mind. Your worse enemy beats you by being your friend. Ever saw a serial killers neighbor interviewed? They all say he was a good guy that never caused a problem. That analogy might be a stretch.lol

READ MY POST I said that i don't believe that any race should have a "special" month just to highlight their history. It's all american history.
I am of Cherokee descent . I don't believe that the native Americans should have a "special" month just for their history.
Just like i don't believe in a miss Black america pageant or anything that puts one race in front of another.

Amen brother x1000

Well sorry you feel that way but black history month highlights the civil rights movement and is a important part in American history. You know the part where black people were no longer considered less than human.


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It's not " black people are awesome month " it's just a reminder of what a race had to go through to get where they are today but I can see why some don't like it.


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Then why not teach it in American history? Why does it need a special month? I agree that it was an important time in American history. But That's all it is .American history. Just like the trail of tears.

eman I understand where you coming from.
Clampy I understand your side too.
Integration was before my time. MLK jr wad a great man but he was a man. If you dig deep enough you will find that black people are the ones that dont want his whole story told. Although he was a good man he wasnt a saint like so called african americans claim he was. If y'all ever meet a real african american I would love to know about it. Charlese Theron is a real african american.