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I make oil 03-14-2014 02:03 PM

Realistic price for bay boats?
 
I saw an ad earlier for a beautiful bay boat. The sticker price on that boat made me do a double take. :eek:

This got me to thinking. What could possibly make a boat worth nearly 6 figures? Who buy's these boats? Is it just a mine is bigger and more expensive than yours thing? :confused:

Then I wondered. What are realistic price figures for bay boats and what makes for the ideal fishing machine? Any thoughts?

BassYakR 03-14-2014 02:06 PM

Some of the prices are insane! The upper end boats aren't any better in my opinion. Just a **** measuring contest basically. Boats catch more fisherman than fish anyways!

Montauk17 03-14-2014 02:11 PM

Yep they are getting out of hand.....I can tell you one thing,most people including me thought dealers make alot of money on boat sales. The profit margins are terrible...the boat company's make the jack.

swamp snorkler 03-14-2014 02:16 PM

I caught more fish out of beater boats than nice boats that's for sure.

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16' Carolina Skiff with a 25 Tohatsu


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keakar 03-14-2014 05:44 PM

its just about the $$$$$

you can buy a $85,000 bass boat signed by some guy you see on tv or buy a $10,000 Cajun special and do more fishing and catch more fish from it because your not waxing and buffing that bass boat you put such a huge investment into that you don't want to get it dirty.

there is very little that seperates the cheaper low end boats from the top end pricey ones and quality has little to do with it, its usually just some fancy electronics you can buy and install yourself

for a while they tried to make every truck cost $50,000 but they weren't selling so they dropped the price to around $35,000 which is still too high but they found enough people willing to pay that so it stays high and they are always going to rip you off for as much money as some idiot is willing to pay.

supply and demand breaks down in controlling costs when people keep buying overpriced stuff just because they "gotta have it"

Goooh 03-14-2014 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keakar (Post 672105)
its just about the $$$$$

you can buy a $85,000 bass boat signed by some guy you see on tv or buy a $10,000 Cajun special and do more fishing and catch more fish from it because your not waxing and buffing that bass boat you put such a huge investment into that you don't want to get it dirty.

there is very little that seperates the cheaper low end boats from the top end pricey ones and quality has little to do with it, its usually just some fancy electronics you can buy and install yourself

for a while they tried to make every truck cost $50,000 but they weren't selling so they dropped the price to around $35,000 which is still too high but they found enough people willing to pay that so it stays high and they are always going to rip you off for as much money as some idiot is willing to pay.

supply and demand breaks down in controlling costs when people keep buying overpriced stuff just because they "gotta have it"


Did you really just say quality has little to do with it?

I would suggest doing some water tests on the different price ranges and make your assessment that way.

bayouchub 03-14-2014 06:56 PM

Quality has pretty much everything to do with it.

Clampy 03-14-2014 07:55 PM

Let's be real tho them shearwaters are ridiculous. A triton , bluewave, blazer bay and a black jack will out ride it every time. Might not be as fast but way more dry.


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SuperDave 03-14-2014 08:35 PM

That's why I had to buy a used boat.

I make oil 03-15-2014 01:55 AM

Yeah. Shearwater, yellowfin are nice boats but do they catch more fish? I think I'll stick to my Blazer Bay. If I buy a new boat it'll probably a 24' Purebay or something along those lines. A Blackjack is at the top of my price range and unless they come out with a 24' I don't think I'll go there.

Matt G 03-15-2014 05:53 AM

After fishing out of a Yellowfin, my Bay Quest feels like riding on a plastic barrel. Is it worth the extra coin for the Yellowfin? I guess that's determined by your bank account.

AubreyLaHaye458 03-15-2014 06:19 AM

I think what it comes down to is minor details that each boat has different than the other. Maybe some manufacturers spent more money and time on a specific feature than others and vice-versa.


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noodle creek 03-15-2014 10:23 AM

No 24 is worth 100K. Paying for the name

noodle creek 03-15-2014 10:24 AM

Yellowfin is making a killing, good for them, but I guarantee it doesn't cost anywhere near 100K for them to build one.

meaux fishing 03-15-2014 10:35 AM

I'll take my triton over a shearwater any day

meaux fishing 03-15-2014 10:36 AM

I think Haynie's are way over priced for the appearance of the boat too. They are a sweet riding boat though

noodle creek 03-15-2014 10:40 AM

It's all about demand. If people wouldn't order yellowfins and haynies quicker than they can build them they wouldn't be so high.

Goooh 03-15-2014 01:45 PM

Realistic price for bay boats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 672232)
Yellowfin is making a killing, good for them, but I guarantee it doesn't cost anywhere near 100K for them to build one.


It's not that much for the hull.... But, Have you seen the electronics and stereo systems in those boats? Oversized motors too. It all adds up.

If I took my boat and slapped all the high dollar goodies on it, it wouldn't be hard to get the price way up there with a YF

Goooh 03-15-2014 01:52 PM

Realistic price for bay boats?
 
You guys talk like price of materials, labor, insurance, taxes, administrative costs, etc... Have not changed since 1950.

How many people own a business here and would agree that to produce higher quality products with higher quality materials and labor doesn't cost a penny extra, and you can just rape the public for 1000% profit margin like it is nothin???

None

How many don't own a business, or aren't involved in the workings of a successful business, and are just spouting how the makers are greedy and overcharge????

Sounds like a bunch of liberal Occupiers that are mad they can't drop a hundo on a YF.

Visco 03-15-2014 10:25 PM

I almost droped a $100,000 on 243CC everglades during the Gulf Coast boat show in Biloxi. I agree when you step into a qualtiy boat like an Everglades or YF you can instantly see and feel the deference in quality. I would also say this... I am glad I did not close the deal on that boat because I really do not need something like that but looking for something like the 22' SeaHunt.

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Em591991 03-15-2014 10:30 PM

You get what you pay for. That has never changed

noodle creek 03-15-2014 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 672275)
You guys talk like price of materials, labor, insurance, taxes, administrative costs, etc... Have not changed since 1950.

How many people own a business here and would agree that to produce higher quality products with higher quality materials and labor doesn't cost a penny extra, and you can just rape the public for 1000% profit margin like it is nothin???

None

How many don't own a business, or aren't involved in the workings of a successful business, and are just spouting how the makers are greedy and overcharge????

Sounds like a bunch of liberal Occupiers that are mad they can't drop a hundo on a YF.

Goooh, if I had 100k to spend on a yellowfin I wouldn't do it. I am the least bit jealous of yellowfin owners. I'm willing to bet I have spent a lot more time on the water than you in just about every kind of bay boat out there. And you're right, I don't know the exact costs that yellowfin pays for everything and neither do you, but I promise you their profit margin is big. Take your shi* somewhere else.

noodle creek 03-15-2014 11:11 PM

Like I stated in previous posts, good for yellowfin, I would charge what they charge as well if I owned yellowfin. But I am definitely not "jealous i can't go drop a hundo on a yellowfin"

alphaman 03-16-2014 12:27 AM

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Rich or poor

same grave!:D

Pirogue or $100,000Boat

Same grave!:D


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I make oil 03-16-2014 02:00 AM

Interesting conversation. I have to honestly say I've caught more fish and possibly had better times fishing out of cheaper boats. Not that I wouldn't love to own a Yellowfin but the problem I have is justifying the expense. I think of all of the other things I could do with that money. As far as the quality of the build and the fit and finish that is never at doubt. Those boats the Yellowfins especially are light years ahead of any production boat.

Goooh 03-16-2014 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 672420)
Goooh, if I had 100k to spend on a yellowfin I wouldn't do it. I am the least bit jealous of yellowfin owners. I'm willing to bet I have spent a lot more time on the water than you in just about every kind of bay boat out there. And you're right, I don't know the exact costs that yellowfin pays for everything and neither do you, but I promise you their profit margin is big. Take your shi* somewhere else.


Take what sh*t somewhere else? Don't like when someone doesn't agree with you?

This thread is full of butt hurt.

Goooh 03-16-2014 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaman (Post 672430)
Rich or poor

same grave!:D

Pirogue or $100,000Boat

Same grave!:D


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You're right, and if you got it then spend it, cause you can't take it with you...

bayouchub 03-16-2014 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by I make oil (Post 672201)
Yeah. Shearwater, yellowfin are nice boats but do they catch more fish? I think I'll stick to my Blazer Bay. If I buy a new boat it'll probably a 24' Purebay or something along those lines. A Blackjack is at the top of my price range and unless they come out with a 24' I don't think I'll go there.

I dont think shearwater and yellowfin can even be compared to one another. Shearwater is not even close to the league of a yellowfin.

Goooh 03-16-2014 02:30 PM

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No difference in quality when compared to a Sea Pro, no additional features, so it should be the same price.

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alphaman 03-16-2014 02:47 PM

Thats a seapro of the yacht category compared to the others yacths. lol

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alphaman 03-16-2014 02:51 PM

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Gooh seapro yacht. alphaman yellowfin yacht.
Mine way better than yours. Cost a lot more too.
Im just clowning. Have fun guys. Lol
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Goooh 03-16-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by alphaman (Post 672548)
Thats a seapro of the yacht category compared to the others yacths. lol

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The one I posted hangs off the side of your yellowfin yacht!

Clampy 03-16-2014 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayouchub (Post 672448)
I dont think shearwater and yellowfin can even be compared to one another. Shearwater is not even close to the league of a yellowfin.


Yep. I love yellowfins. Just I'm too poor to get one.


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noodle creek 03-16-2014 07:31 PM

I'm not butt hurt at all, just can't see myself ever spending 100 K on a bay boat. And no one ever said yellowfins don't have better quality features than other boats. All i'm saying is it doesn't cost near 100K to build a yellowfin. I can go buy a Porsche 911 for the money some people are paying for these boats.

alphaman 03-16-2014 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 672569)
The one I posted hangs off the side of your yellowfin yacht!

Ballin!

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simplepeddler 03-16-2014 07:54 PM

it's in all the boats today.....bass, bay and off shore.......
I would argue that many many name brand boats are going to last the average Joe a lifetime........but who in the hell wants one boat for a lifetime?

Not many boats are "bad" these days, but some are damn well better.
It may very well not be construction, but primary design. The legendary Darris Allison has produced proprietry designs that will make a boat perform better and get better fuel milage. Should he give that away?? Hell no.

On top of that, guys are lined up to buy these 100K boats......it's incredible.
I had a conversation Saturday in Orange Beach with the guys selling Pursuit offshore hulls.......

They are rarely EVER financed.........guys walk in and stroke the check......

there are differences.......do those differences help you catch more fish?
Could be...later in the life of a hull, when hinges, wiring, lids and generally things start to fail........the "better" boat may still be on the water as opposed to in the shop.

Raymond 03-16-2014 08:10 PM

Some are forgetting that most of those who purchase the YF and high end boats don't have to worry about the chedda. $100,000 to them is like $30,000 to the rest of us, YF & SCB have 12 month waits which is great. People will almost always spend money they don't have on rec toys. Heck, Prodrive and Gator-Tail also have 6 month waiting list so we should line them up for our scorn while we are going that way.
Saying you could buy a 911 for YF money just means your priorities are different but its the same argument just with a car. I would get the SC 4, it drives like a dream.

PotLikinisAhabbit 03-16-2014 09:01 PM

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AubreyLaHaye458 03-16-2014 09:13 PM

A guy I know spent $70k on a 21ft Ranger bass boat with a 250 E-Tec a few weeks ago.


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Goooh 03-16-2014 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AubreyLaHaye458 (Post 672696)
A guy I know spent $70k on a 21ft Ranger bass boat with a 250 E-Tec a few weeks ago.


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I wouldn't have spent $10k with that motor hangin on the back 😧

AubreyLaHaye458 03-16-2014 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 672727)
I wouldn't have spent $10k with that motor hangin on the back 😧


lol. It was goin fass fass the other day!


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skeeter77346 03-18-2014 07:47 AM

Lots of high $ boats out there. The resale value on the top tier boats has been very good and hold a large % of what was originally paid.

I know a guy in Miss that gets a new YF every 18 mos and except for electronics and stereo upgrades, he recovers nearly all of his original price and plows it into his new boat. He keeps it in pristine shape. YF jacks price up significantly every year so that makes the used boats look like a 'deal'. They have about an 8 month order backlog, so I guess it works for them.

I do remember catching tons of fish in the marsh with my brother from a 14x48 flat boat with a 50 Merc (the old 4 cylinder). We built a redwood slotted subfloor to keep it quiet. That little rig was a blast to run.

BassYakR 03-18-2014 08:56 AM

If I was able to spend a lot of money on a bay boat it would be a custom built SCB bc if imma spend some money! NO ONE will beat me to my fishing hole! I wanna do 90mph on the way there... but bc I cant afford that.... id be happy with any bay boat in the range of 20-35k

capt coonassty 03-18-2014 09:09 AM

At the Louisiana Sportsman's show they had a new Gravois 25'ish. Asked the Rep and he said 90K. I didn't even see a live well in it. For that kind of money I would just buy an older contender.

Raymond 03-18-2014 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassYakR (Post 673282)
If I was able to spend a lot of money on a bay boat it would be a custom built SCB bc if imma spend some money! NO ONE will beat me to my fishing hole! I wanna do 90mph on the way there... but bc I cant afford that.... id be happy with any bay boat in the range of 20-35k

They are extremely quick, adds lots mo pucka factor when your moving that fassss.:eek:

SuperDave 03-20-2014 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassYakR (Post 673282)
If I was able to spend a lot of money on a bay boat it would be a custom built SCB bc if imma spend some money! NO ONE will beat me to my fishing hole! I wanna do 90mph on the way there... but bc I cant afford that.... id be happy with any bay boat in the range of 20-35k

I wouldn't consider an SCB a bay boat. More towards flats and bay maybe...

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 673285)
At the Louisiana Sportsman's show they had a new Gravois 25'ish. Asked the Rep and he said 90K. I didn't even see a live well in it. For that kind of money I would just buy an older contender.

That boat was sweet but not what I was expecting. Add three feet to it and another engine and you'd have a pretty cool offshore boat. I was just happy to see one of their recreational boats to be honest!

bearwash87 03-20-2014 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassYakR (Post 673282)
If I was able to spend a lot of money on a bay boat it would be a custom built SCB bc if imma spend some money! NO ONE will beat me to my fishing hole! I wanna do 90mph on the way there... but bc I cant afford that.... id be happy with any bay boat in the range of 20-35k

Ill sell you my scb in that price range! Lol

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