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Talked to warden yesterday doing fish count survey we had 12 trout and few reds.. Had a discussion about why the lake sucked so bad and Sabine is doing good.. Identical lake system only difference was weirs, washout area and oyster rapers...warden claims that the washout 9 mile area bn washed out is letting lot of sediment in lake covering reefs etc that use to be filtered.... Also admits that the use of dredging is killing the reefs when u tong only it is actually beneficial to the reef helps reseed it... On the east side of state where they oyster w permits they have to reseed after they dredge it... Third the weirs and warden agreed w me on that topic less bait flow but u ain't winning that battle.. So I'm asking cca to stand up and fight for tonging only and rock off the areas of the channel washing out and just leave small openings....there is 4 times the amount of bait at Sabine then there is bl right now... This lake is goin downhill and it needs to be done.. Yes we still have days we smoke em but patterns are way less consistent than In the past...so call cca and ask them to help out maybe they'll do something other than build a reef in the middle of nowhere that u can only fish a a handful of times a yr


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Agreed !!


Spiral Out

any specific contacts that you and Waltrip have discussed this with? Just to make it easier for us to get ahold of someone who you have dealt with this on.


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The fish survey guy that talks really slow! Don't know his name but they'll know it


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Letting them dredge for oysters worst mistake in Big Lake History

Freaken raped everything

Even when they moved the line up a few years ago by Basket Reef.. They destroyed it and it has not been the same since

#2 which is a losing battle is weirs, money money money is all that it is.. save my duck weed so we can kill ducks... screw estuary life ( New Sticker)

#3 we need a rock levee from area formally know as Super Cut to rock Island then on off both sides of steam engine island to stop erosion




The ship channel brings on millions a day yet we can't save land loss

We have bad years also on Sabine, due to fresh water off neches and Sabine rivers. The washout would suck and over oystering damaging reefs also. The West side of Sabine is nothing but a rock wall protecting pleaser island from erosion and the ship channel side of pleaser island is being rocked also for erosion. The rocks are some of the best fishing on Sabine certain times of year. Rock walls on the washout and steam engine would be nice for erosion and fishing!!!! Do y'all fish the rocks in ship channel on BL? They love jerk baits on Sabine this time off year.

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We fish em but it's nothing like y'all's west revetment wall


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You been over here any? That bite on the wall is getting good when wind lays down.

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I'm over there a lot more than people now lol


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Im really surprised some local coon-*** hasn't taken care of those weirs a long time ago.

Know...


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Me too

Mother nature took care of weirs with Hurricane Rita but out idiot humans failed to see that sign!!

I don't fish the lakes in you guys areas but I cant see how dredging for oysters couldnt be a good thing. That would be like using a bulldozer to dig out the one crawfish that builds a mound in your yard. Just my opinion though.

Agree 100%

The oyster reefs are the top priority, with erosion control second. Rock lines to reduce erosion also serve as artificial reefs.

Sabine is better because it is not over fished and the size limits and bag are more conservative. Seen many years when I fished Sabine and didn't even limit while all my buddies in Big lake were limiting in about an hour. But I do agree the weirs are the biggest problem for the decline in the last 2 years. There are so many cuts on the Louisiana shoreline of Sabine and there are no weirs limiting the bait coming out of that marsh.

Size and limits are the same on la side pressure is not the problem on bl rt now I might see 5 to 8 boats a day hell I've seen more on Sabine lately than bl... And the reason ur buddies are limiting on bl when u aren't is common.. Me and a couple other guides fish both lakes and when bl blows Sabine is good when bl is on fire Sabine usually blows have no clue why but this has been pattern for the 5 yrs since I've started guiding on both lakes...


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Big Lake is now where near over fished, and we can support a 25 man limit but have a 15


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Open dredging was almost the ruination of Lake Pontchartrain. Thus, the "Save Our Lake" Foundation.

the erosion ive seen in the 20 something years around the 9 mile area and steam engine is massive. my friend even started rebuilding commissary point since he was loosing so much land. (got in trouble by the corps) but got the job done. dredging is so bad for everything except the millionaires pockets.

we need to start something, specifically for big lake. something like the "save our lake" idea. make a board where votes had to be cast in order to change something! haha yea right.

We need for sure some rocks on steam engine area and old super cut area... losing land fast fast

.... I have some marks from the island by steam engine that were close to land and now they are football field or more from land

This is only in 7 years

Be ready for a battle.

i wish we could. make a board who share the common interest of the people instead of the industries. andddd of course ALWAYS show scientific proof!

Not really

If the same ones who pushed the 15trout limit would push for more rocks along ship channel we will get it


But but but.... I'm sure they have not been on the water to notice the land loss.
They push rules from the office

With the exception of Will who does fish, but Will has to even see the erosion

Except it was dredged for clam shells.

Still holding fish??????

Tip of the day

blame it on will drost

Rocks are coming, can't tell anyone when but they are coming. From mile 10-14 is the biggest problem depth wise on the lower part of channel and moss lake on northern stretch. Rocks south would actually save millions of $$ in dredge resources, its a no brainier but we are sealing with a govt entity. Have been in several meetings where someone from Washington suggests pumping dredge spoil into lake. I have many stories similar to that one in a few short years of involvement.

all good but how long until this happens?? When Islands are gone or long point is just a straight line

I have fished Sabine Lake and the surronding marshes all my life. I' ve been guiding on it for 18 years. Sabine Lake without a doubt has an abundant amount of natural flowing esturies which in return provides an abundance of bait. I 100% agree with everyone about wiers. Weirs equal poor man made controlled water structures only with the intent of improving a rich man's duck marsh. In Fact, on Sabine there is a weir established for that which everyone in the area has seen the results. What is so interesting is that before man controlled the water on this weir, we use to catch all the shrimp and crabs you wanted. Now it is intentionaly closed during the spring and no shrimp or crabs can enter the marsh. Intended to hold fresh water for ducks. Hello if you want widgeon grass in your marsh, you need some salt! Ducks dont eat cattails and lily pads! I feel yall pain. There has been talk about putting weirs on Sabine, if thats the case we will be screwed. If it wouldn' be for Texas supporting Sabine we would be hurting also. Texas stocks redfish and flounder every year. They also will not let one of the biggest oyster reefs on the coast to be dredged. Thank you, Texas. Louisiana you will never have help unless you are a rich man!!!

Well said .....Well said

agreed and its sad

If I could do it....this would be ideal

Cca is there and has the means to do it...just who do u have to inspire to get it done??


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but Hey ...we got a reef with buoys ... that cost almost a million dollars :shaking:

I'm afraid this is becoming true of much of our states hunting and fishing. Lease prices are sky high, and oil companies are buying up hunting land at prices that most people could never afford! And now there are fishing leases! Being an outdoorsman in sportsman's paradise is becoming a rich mans past time.

Why wouldn't big industry in Lake Charlse that bring ships up and down ship channel be some what responsible for erosion and want to help?

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True and it's a damn shame


Spiral Out

I'm sure they would but u need an organization such as cca to lean on em.....they got a limit changed w no scientific data... Surely they can talk big business into doin a tax write off.... Everyone wins cca looks like a hero. Port writes it off... Fisherman preserve their lake


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Sounds like a good plan to me... Need to know someone in the "know" to get the ball rolling.

CCA is to busy leaning on this. http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.s...se_louisi.html

Ohhh no. Not $7.50 one time per year. Lol

Really don't care about the money, it's so they can get more scientific research. Why?,they ignore what research that is out there now.
# trout limits

Id be willing to guarantee that that extra money is never spent on research of any kind! If it was for actual research to help the ecosystem in our area to keep this area the sportsmans paradise for future generations then I don't mind paying the extra money. BUT im pretty sure that this will not happen.

I can provide 1000xs more evidence that we have an erosion problem than what they proved we needed a 15 trout limit

Actually, some rock walls along the ship channel would probably be effective in reducing saltwater intrusion into the marsh also, especially if they were a nearly unbroken line with just a couple of cuts to allow boat traffic to pass (like the jetties). If this can be pitched as the primary motivating factor (along with erosion control) it might even be possible for some of the BP money to be redirected to the project.

It makes more sense from a cost and long term maintenance viewpoint than attempting a saltwater barrier across the channel at the jetties. The basic idea is to maintain more of a gradient with saltier water being kept in the channel, and lower salinities in the lake. If salinities in the lake were lower, then the weirs could be open more days each year to allow bait and fish to flow back and forth between the lake and the marsh. Looks like many parties could win in this arrangement, protecting the marsh from saltwater intrusion, protecting the banks from erosion, and maintaining and improving the inshore fishery.

with all the 'hot bite' posts from here from guides i thought that trouts were jumping in the boat by themselves.

what reports? I haven't seen a single report lately from this side of the state! all have been from the east.

oh yea the "dularge dinks" argument thread.... they really do catch a lot over there and they post lots of good pics.