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MathGeek 04-20-2014 04:26 PM

Boycott the S.T.A.R.: CCA Failed to protect Oysters in Big Lake
 
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Oyster dredging was legalized in Big Lake in 2005 while CCA was too busy in bed with the LWF Commission working to get the restrictive speck limits passed. Here's a graph showing the LDWF Oyster Stock Assessments on the east side of Calcasieu Lake from 2004-2013. Note the near total destruction.

"W" 04-20-2014 04:31 PM

Hey CCA put a 650k reef because they believe we don't need natural oyster beds to support our estuary





Sad Sad Sad Sad that the CCA let this happen

I blame them 100% for giving up the fight and I can pull up all my CCA donation on my taxes to prove I supported the CCA until they gave up and let oyster dredging kill the lake!!

bjqx 04-20-2014 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 682781)
Oyster dredging was legalized in Big Lake in 2005 while CCA was too busy in bed with the LWF Commission working to get the restrictive speck limits passed. Here's a graph showing the LDWF Oyster Stock Assessments on the east side of Calcasieu Lake from 2004-2013. Note the near total destruction.

Dam they dont put a limt on oysters,like they do everything else. So many bushell a season then shut it down. Seems like they would protect their next year crop and not ripe them out. Dont seem to be good for anybody!!!!

jopete 04-20-2014 07:25 PM

cca is basically du for fisherman. how's your duck hunting?

"W" 04-20-2014 07:44 PM

CCA motion

Have trout limit lowered with Zero evidence needed

Give up on oyster dredging with tons of facts and science

BuckingFastard 04-21-2014 06:13 AM

such a good post

Nickt87 04-21-2014 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 682781)
Oyster dredging was legalized in Big Lake in 2005 while CCA was too busy in bed with the LWF Commission working to get the restrictive speck limits passed. Here's a graph showing the LDWF Oyster Stock Assessments on the east side of Calcasieu Lake from 2004-2013. Note the near total destruction.



Damn:eek:

"W" 04-21-2014 08:26 AM

Sit tight
Per CCA board members

AceArcher 04-21-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 682914)
Sit tight
Per CCA board members

It's nice that they are saying sit tight... Perhaps you should respond with... "MOVE YOUR ASSES!!!".... or "SH*T or GET OFF THE POT"

mr crab 04-21-2014 08:39 AM

Terrible.

MathGeek 04-21-2014 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 682848)
CCA motion

Have trout limit lowered with Zero evidence needed

Give up on oyster dredging with tons of facts and science

Straining out gnats and swallowing camels.

keakar 04-23-2014 08:13 AM

Where was the CCA representative for this event?
 
I saw no mention at all if CCA was present here or had anything to say about it. this is an example where if CCA wanted to be visible and let people know they are out there working for us they should have went find someone to voice an opinion or make a statement "for the record" so their view was represented. I honestly have no idea what their position or viewpoint might be here but isn't that the whole point and another reason why people have no faith they are doing ANYTHING but building reefs and taking photo ops? a press release like this should mention and have a statement by CCA in it somewhere and its not a well kept secret this is happening. if you want people to change their views of you you need to be visible, get with it CCA.

Organization working with fishermen to reduce bycatch

By: Janet Mcconnaughey, Associated Press

Headlines posted Tuesday, April 22, 2014

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — One way to get anglers and commercial fisherman to use devices to save sea turtles, dolphins and off-limit fish is to have them help design and test those devices, scientists told turtle scientists and conservationists — members of the International Sea Turtle Society.
Mike Osmond of the World Wildlife Fund described the International Smart Gear Competition contest to create gear for reducing bycatch — anything a commercial boat or angler isn't trying to catch. There's a $30,000 grand prize, two $10,000 prizes and two $7,500 prizes. This year's deadline for entries is Aug. 31, he said.


http://www.tlgnewspaper.com/article.php?article=4456

Nickt87 04-23-2014 08:17 AM

He was probably only a few blocks away.......at Drago's eating oysters and redfish on the half shell, wearing some freshly starched nautical attire and some nut hugging khaki shorts.

"W" 04-23-2014 08:33 AM

we need to call a meeting with the CCA to drive from Baton Rouge and get there azzez here to Big Lake and hear what is going on.

The poor CCA LC board thinks that guides and fisherman are really in there side! How Cute

I have not heard of one guide out of 20 say a good thing about CCA and what they have done the past 10-15 years for us

The crabbers hate them 100xs more
Shrimpers 200xs more

BuckingFastard 04-23-2014 08:37 AM

hey well if youre a paying member then you probably just received your invite to the banquet..... which is another $60 per head.

keakar 04-23-2014 09:09 AM

well this story wasn't about big lake, it pertains to everywhere in the state but because I mentioned CCA in the title when I posted it, they buried it here.

it was supposed to be in its own thread since its not about big lake or oysters at all.

Matt G 04-23-2014 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckingFastard (Post 683504)
hey well if youre a paying member then you probably just received your invite to the banquet..... which is another $60 per head.


Got that the constant barrage of raffle tickets for sale. The only correspondence received from them about actual ISSUES was yesterday for all CCA members to email members of the House Natural Resoucrces Committee in support of HB 1082 (increase in licennse fees).

BuckingFastard 04-23-2014 09:13 AM

most people will just do whatever theyre told

Ratdog 04-23-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 683497)
He was probably only a few blocks away.......at Drago's eating oysters and redfish on the half shell, wearing some freshly starched nautical attire and some nut hugging khaki shorts.

What I life.
I will do that soon. Need to do some stretches my self.

"W" 04-23-2014 01:19 PM

I call them CCA drones,.you know the ones with the CCA stickers all over there truck and has the starched CCA button up long sleeve shirt wearing khaki shorts with penny loafers

MathGeek 04-24-2014 07:33 AM

Also of note is how much real conservation, research, and restoration funds are spent by CCA in Texas, while all LA gets are a few artificial reefs, license increases, and ever-increasing regulations. See:

http://www.ccatexas.org/wp-content/u...Funds-2013.pdf

http://www.ccatexas.org/wp-content/u...Scientists.pdf

http://www.ccatexas.org/conservation/research/

Ratdog 04-24-2014 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 683804)
Also of note is how much real conservation, research, and restoration funds are spent by CCA in Texas, while all LA gets are a few artificial reefs, license increases, and ever-increasing regulations. See:

http://www.ccatexas.org/wp-content/u...Funds-2013.pdf

http://www.ccatexas.org/wp-content/u...Scientists.pdf

http://www.ccatexas.org/conservation/research/

We are so screwed man I mean it's just so unfair. Shame shame shame.

Is there no oversight ?

Put a few old ladies in there 70's to oversee this playground farce.

I feel like they took my lunch money and the whole school anmin knows about it.

Might do a school board meeting about it and have security there so board members don't touch each other and get fish slime on new suits.


Bunch of children dictating rules laws that cost me too much just to go fishing.

"W" 04-24-2014 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 683804)
Also of note is how much real conservation, research, and restoration funds are spent by CCA in Texas, while all LA gets are a few artificial reefs, license increases, and ever-increasing regulations. See:

http://www.ccatexas.org/wp-content/u...Funds-2013.pdf

http://www.ccatexas.org/wp-content/u...Scientists.pdf

http://www.ccatexas.org/conservation/research/



So you mean Texas can build a reef and it only cost 200k but La CCA builds one with 100% material donated and it cost over half million?



I would support Texas CCa

Ratdog 04-24-2014 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 683848)
So you mean Texas can build a reef and it only cost 200k but La CCA builds one with 100% material donated and it cost over half million?



I would support Texas CCa

We are so screwed.!

chasin'tail 04-24-2014 09:41 AM

cca lost my support many years ago.....

"W" 04-24-2014 10:04 AM

I received two phone calls already about why I bad mouth the CCA

After I hung up with both individuals they both agreed that CCA is not doing enough

One was a big Sunshine CCA pumper, and when I asked him to name one thing the CCA has done to help improve our Lake in last 10-15 years

His exact words were

We put in two reefs


I said no, that has not improved nothing the Turners reef is washing away at record pace and the brad Vincent Reef was nothing more than political "look at me" deal that cost half million and was donated materials

I ask again name one thing the CCA has done to improve our Lake in last 10-15 years..just name one


He was lost for words and started spating stupid stuff about other places like grass planting.

Sooo again I said Name me one thing the CCA has done on Big Lake to improve or help our Lake in last 10-15 years

His last words were I guess nothing, but we have lots of plans

He deleted off Facebook now I'm traumatized

mr crab 04-24-2014 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 683848)
So you mean Texas can build a reef and it only cost 200k but La CCA builds one with 100% material donated and it cost over half million?



I would support Texas CCa

Cca tx just recommended and successfully pushed through 5 trout per day limit from Freeport to Brownsville. Would you support that?

"W" 04-24-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mr crab (Post 683924)
Cca tx just recommended and successfully pushed through 5 trout per day limit from Freeport to Brownsville. Would you support that?

Well maybe not



Texas whole trout problem is 15inch mim keeping all females

mr crab 04-24-2014 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 683956)
Well maybe not



Texas whole trout problem is 15inch mim keeping all females

couldn't agree more

mr crab 04-24-2014 02:03 PM

because we definitely have a problem here on Sabine....no trout anywhere!!!!!!!

slickfish 04-24-2014 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 683956)
Well maybe not



Texas whole trout problem is 15inch mim keeping all females

This guy never ceases to amaze me. He's got the solution for the whole gulf coast. Tell me w is there anything you don't know? Better yet w what have you done to see that the problems on bl get resolved other than complain on st. Hell you can't even get em leave your weirs open. You w are what people call a whiner an not a winner. Winners get things resolved.

"W" 04-24-2014 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slickfish (Post 683970)
This guy never ceases to amaze me. He's got the solution for the whole gulf coast. Tell me w is there anything you don't know? Better yet w what have you done to see that the problems on bl get resolved other than complain on st. Hell you can't even get em leave your weirs open. You w are what people call a whiner an not a winner. Winners get things resolved.



LMAO. Why u Mad??

"W" 04-24-2014 04:37 PM

Just got off the phone with yet another person calling about concerns


But he is different and knows a lot of the behind scene of CCA

He said it perfect

CCA/politics - Politics/CCA you have to dance with the one who bought you!


He said how come every person on the CCA state board makes over $170k plus a year?
How come regular down to earth guys who spend countless hours on the waters and bays are not making decisions for the CCA, but the suit and tie guys who have ZERO knowledge of any area are?

He left the CCA for that reason alone and because it's all about what the $$$$ can buy for you

FREON 04-24-2014 04:44 PM

:rotfl:
Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 683956)
Well maybe not



Texas whole trout problem is 15inch mim keeping all females

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr crab (Post 683961)
because we definitely have a problem here on Sabine....no trout anywhere!!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by slickfish (Post 683970)
This guy never ceases to amaze me. He's got the solution for the whole gulf coast. Tell me w is there anything you don't know? Better yet w what have you done to see that the problems on bl get resolved other than complain on st. Hell you can't even get em leave your weirs open. You w are what people call a whiner an not a winner. Winners get things resolved.

Sure hope it improves the quality of all the dinks we catch in Baffin :rotfl::*****:

Ratdog 04-24-2014 05:24 PM

We so screwed

3FLa 04-24-2014 08:36 PM

To "W"
 
You must be really special, because when I do get a return call, it usually goes something like.......

ME: Give one thing your group has done in support of your very own mission statement....

CCA: "Well, uh well, uh, uh well, we did ban the gill nets"......

ME: "No it did not, GCCA did that!"

Dial tone.

Slickhead, you have taken on the traits of a real CCA starch shirt, goofy shoes, tight shorts wearing member.......You cannot argue true facts, so you attack the person.

"W" 04-24-2014 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3FLa (Post 684064)
You must be really special, because when I do get a return call, it usually goes something like.......

ME: Give one thing your group has done in support of your very own mission statement....

CCA: "Well, uh well, uh, uh well, we did ban the gill nets"......

ME: "No it did not, GCCA did that!"

Dial tone.

Slickhead, you have taken on the traits of a real CCA starch shirt, goofy shoes, tight shorts wearing member.......You cannot argue true facts, so you attack the person.


LMAO,

Smalls 04-24-2014 09:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 683973)
LMAO. Why u Mad??

Hey W, found you a Jersey. Now we just need the "I Hate Him" Jersey for slick. Lmao

Attachment 66587

Ratdog 04-24-2014 09:02 PM

now they are going to dictate what to ware while fishing.
tight shorts starch shirt?


man we are soooooo screeewwwd.

Goooh 04-24-2014 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratdog (Post 684077)
now they are going to dictate what to ware while fishing.

tight shorts starch shirt?





man we are soooooo screeewwwd.


Short and shirt regs couldn't bother me less, but I would like to see a push from CCA to ban the use of Crocks.

"W" 04-24-2014 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 684082)
Short and shirt regs couldn't bother me less, but I would like to see a push from CCA to ban the use of Crocks.

Hell no that is the most comfortable fishing shoe ever

Goooh 04-24-2014 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 684085)
Hell no that is the most comfortable fishing shoe ever


Dude, you ever snag a pinky toe in one of them side holes?

Let me replay the situation real quick... Crock grips the deck, foot is slick from sweat (they make duck butter under the foot), foot keeps going while the crock stays planted, pinky toe squeaks through a hole and bends to about 116° from the direction you're walking, throw crocks away, go fill out a will.

Plus, crocks are birth control. They were created by the governed as a form of eugenics, it's how they keep us southern folks from reproducing...

Ratdog 04-24-2014 09:40 PM

the chew.

"W" 04-24-2014 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 684093)
Dude, you ever snag a pinky toe in one of them side holes?

Let me replay the situation real quick... Crock grips the deck, foot is slick from sweat (they make duck butter under the foot), foot keeps going while the crock stays planted, pinky toe squeaks through a hole and bends to about 116° from the direction you're walking, throw crocks away, go fill out a will.

Plus, crocks are birth control. They were created by the governed as a form of eugenics, it's how they keep us southern folks from reproducing...


No but they got me 7 stitches few years back, they were so wore out I stepped out of truck on boat ramp and feet let ground

3FLa 04-24-2014 09:53 PM

Cannot agree
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 684085)
Hell no that is the most comfortable fishing shoe ever

I tend to agree with you on most issues, but cannot on this one. I always hurt myself in a boat if I wear crocs.

bgizzle 04-24-2014 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratdog (Post 684077)
now they are going to dictate what to ware while fishing.
tight shorts starch shirt?


man we are soooooo screeewwwd.

Lol... I wouldn't fish... Would anyone?


"Go ahead, share your opinion! I won't cry"

MathGeek 04-24-2014 10:26 PM

Last thing I need while fishing is a foot injury. I wear tennis shoes, and all my children do to. Esp with all the catfish.

MathGeek 04-24-2014 11:11 PM

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Black drum were sampled in 2011, 2012, and 2013, but numbers were only sufficient for length class analysis in 2013.

In 2011, the mean condition factor for black drum in Calcasieu Lake was 0.934 +/- 0.017. This means that the black drum only had enough forage to maintain 93.4% of the weight as the long term Louisiana average for a given length, season, and species. For comparison, the condition factor determined by the USGS in 2000 (before the oyster reefs were destroyed) was 1.03 +/- 0.02. In 2012, the mean condition factor for black drum dropped markedly to 0.842 +/- 0.012. In 2013, the mean condition factor of all lengths was 0.889 +/- 0.012.

The length class analysis shown in the graph shows that the longest length classes are struggling to find enough food to maintain body condition. These are the fish most heavily dependent on oyster reefs, suggesting that oyster reef destruction (by dredging) is a significant factor in the observed declines in fish condition.

Duck Butter 04-25-2014 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 684183)
Black drum were sampled in 2011, 2012, and 2013, but numbers were only sufficient for length class analysis in 2013.

In 2011, the mean condition factor for black drum in Calcasieu Lake was 0.934 +/- 0.017. This means that the black drum only had enough forage to maintain 93.4% of the weight as the long term Louisiana average for a given length, season, and species. For comparison, the condition factor determined by the USGS in 2000 (before the oyster reefs were destroyed) was 1.03 +/- 0.02. In 2012, the mean condition factor for black drum dropped markedly to 0.842 +/- 0.012. In 2013, the mean condition factor of all lengths was 0.889 +/- 0.012.

The length class analysis shown in the graph shows that the longest length classes are struggling to find enough food to maintain body condition. These are the fish most heavily dependent on oyster reefs, suggesting that oyster reef destruction (by dredging) is a significant factor in the observed declines in fish condition.

Link to 2000 USGS study please

Matt G 04-25-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 684158)
Last thing I need while fishing is a foot injury. I wear tennis shoes, and all my children do to. Esp with all the catfish.

Don't wear the Wal-Mart velcro kind if that's what you're worries about... The barb from a hard head goes straight through those suckers.

And you wrong Dub. Go drop $12 on some Pop Pop shoes at the Wal-Mart. Best $12 I ever spent. I got me a pair in every color baw!!!


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