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trouttracker 06-03-2014 12:02 PM

BL overfished?
 
:cry:Thought i would ask this simple question. Is Big Lake over fished? And that question applies to not just trout & redfish but all other harvested species. In the good ole days (minus the strike nets) it was almost automatic to go out and throw a peice of white plastic and catch all you could handle. Those days are only a memory. Even on the better trips these days it takes a lot of work to hit a school. 2012 was a good year but last year was terrible and it seems to be running over into 2014.

marshrunner757 06-03-2014 12:11 PM

I'm not sure that it's over fished or simply just a matter of too much traffic. Way too many idiots who have no business on the water.

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Reefman 06-03-2014 12:17 PM

I don't think its a matter of over-fishing but a matter that BL isn't holding the fish it use to.

mriguy 06-03-2014 12:21 PM

Weirs

Feesherman 06-03-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefman (Post 695429)
I don't think its a matter of over-fishing but a matter that BL isn't holding the fish it use to.

You dredge all the oysters out of the lake and it certainly won't hold the fish it used to

Reefman 06-03-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 695431)
You dredge all the oysters out of the lake and it certainly won't hold the fish it used to

Yep, this and erosion of the ship channel allowing high salinities through out the whole lake.

"W" 06-03-2014 12:56 PM

over oyster fished

jchief 06-03-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 695436)
over oyster fished

Agree.

It is more than just one issue, I believe.

marshrunner757 06-03-2014 01:22 PM

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over oyster fished

Didn't you know CCA was building new reefs for you??? :cool:

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Jadams 06-03-2014 04:11 PM

No fish in bl everyone stay home !


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AubreyLaHaye458 06-03-2014 04:26 PM

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No fish in bl everyone stay home !


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I think I'll go find out for myself!


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Natural Light Kid 06-03-2014 04:42 PM

Will Drost is the reason people don't catch fish on BL anymore lol.

MathGeek 06-03-2014 04:43 PM

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Big Lake is not over fished.

There are a lot of fish and they are eating very well, especially the specks and redfish. Black drum and gafftops are not eating as well. There are plenty of gafftops (likely overpopulated), but the bulk of black drum population has moved out (lot to Sabine) in search of more oysters.

The absence of oyster beds and weir management has the specks and reds following different patterns than usual. However, we recently measured that specks are 106% of their expected weight and redfish are 102% of their expected weight, so they are not going hungry. Weir management, low crab stocks, and low shrimp numbers suggest redfish and specks are eating well on fish (menhaden, croaker, mullet, and small fish of many species).

If specks and reds have shifted to piscivory rather than eating crustaceans, then they are chasing schools of small fish and will be hard to catch using the techniques and locations that work when they are chasing mostly shrimp and crabs.

The attached graph shows a recent estimate for the interactions between species over the past 4 years. Note that each species has a 1.00 interaction with itself. Specks and reds have a measured 77% interaction (high, as expected). Specks and black drum have a 9% interaction, because their forage habits are so different.

What was somewhat unexpected was the 49% interaction between specks and gafftops. It seems that since the destruction of the oyster reefs that began in 2010, gafftops have turned much more piscivorous (fish eating) rather than eating bottom dwelling benthos. As a result, they are likely both competing strongly with the specks and also eating a lot of juvenile specks in the 4-8" range. I bet a lot more gafftops have been caught on topwater plugs and shallow diving crankbaits since 2010 than in the earlier years, since they show lots of evidence of feeding in schools of fish.

marshrunner757 06-03-2014 05:13 PM

Last year was my first to water gafftop and could have caught a ton. It was a huge school feeding on top.

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Goooh 06-03-2014 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 695552)
Big Lake is not over fished.



There are a lot of fish and they are eating very well, especially the specks and redfish. Black drum and gafftops are not eating as well. There are plenty of gafftops (likely overpopulated), but the bulk of black drum population has moved out (lot to Sabine) in search of more oysters.



The absence of oyster beds and weir management has the specks and reds following different patterns than usual. However, we recently measured that specks are 106% of their expected weight and redfish are 102% of their expected weight, so they are not going hungry. Weir management, low crab stocks, and low shrimp numbers suggest redfish and specks are eating well on fish (menhaden, croaker, mullet, and small fish of many species).



If specks and reds have shifted to piscivory rather than eating crustaceans, then they are chasing schools of small fish and will be hard to catch using the techniques and locations that work when they are chasing mostly shrimp and crabs.



The attached graph shows a recent estimate for the interactions between species over the past 4 years. Note that each species has a 1.00 interaction with itself. Specks and reds have a measured 77% interaction (high, as expected). Specks and black drum have a 9% interaction, because their forage habits are so different.



What was somewhat unexpected was the 49% interaction between specks and gafftops. It seems that since the destruction of the oyster reefs that began in 2010, gafftops have turned much more piscivorous (fish eating) rather than eating bottom dwelling benthos. As a result, they are likely both competing strongly with the specks and also eating a lot of juvenile specks in the 4-8" range. I bet a lot more gafftops have been caught on topwater plugs and shallow diving crankbaits since 2010 than in the earlier years, since they show lots of evidence of feeding in schools of fish.


Great post

bobo23 06-03-2014 09:03 PM

Thanks for that input, MG.

Jadams 06-04-2014 05:29 AM

Bl being overfished has about the same chances as landing a 3way off christianmingle.com!


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ChrisD 06-04-2014 05:43 AM

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Bl being overfished has about the same chances as landing a 3way off christianmingle.com!


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Lmao

Sasparilla 06-04-2014 08:24 AM

[QUOTE=Jadams;695734]Bl being overfished has about the same chances as landing a 3way off christianmingle.com!


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LOL. So True.

Goooh 06-04-2014 08:34 AM

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Bl being overfished has about the same chances as landing a 3way off christianmingle.com!


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They got some freaks on that site...

matt.a.bear 06-04-2014 09:48 AM

batting a thousand at christianmingle.com! lol

AlexOrtego 06-04-2014 12:48 PM

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Bl being overfished has about the same chances as landing a 3way off christianmingle.com!


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the first time i enjoyed hearing about christianmingle.com in my life!

AubreyLaHaye458 06-04-2014 04:56 PM

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"W" 06-04-2014 07:44 PM

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Check this out !!! LM FAo

SGib 06-04-2014 09:05 PM

Even out dem fields for us office folk. Damn trout so hard to find I think it's Bush's fault.

redspeck82 06-05-2014 07:35 AM

Of its so hard for some people to catch fish just quit fishing. Dont complain and make up dumb reasons y there are no fish, etc...

Jadams 06-05-2014 11:44 AM

I actually think fishing for June is better than last june


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Clampy 06-05-2014 12:57 PM

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I actually think fishing for June is better than last june


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Defiantly. everything is a month behind and not as hot if I remember right.

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ThePinkBanana 06-05-2014 01:22 PM

Today was my first day back on the water in over 7 weeks. I think I'll keep at it and try to figure out what's going on before I start Bytching and complaining... All I can say Is.......that I fished my *** off today, and only found Dinks under birds eating tiny shrimp. My spots that were producing nice fish this time last year have produced nothing but Gaftop eating my damn sand eels.... So things are going worse for me this june than last....

Goooh 06-05-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon_Picou (Post 696098)
Today was my first day back on the water in over 7 weeks. I think I'll keep at it and try to figure out what's going on before I start Bytching and complaining... All I can say Is.......that I fished my *** off today, and only found Dinks under birds eating tiny shrimp. My spots that were producing nice fish this time last year have produced nothing but Gaftop eating my damn sand eels.... So things are going worse for me this june than last....


You mark those birds on GPS? The trout will be bigger there by next year.

duckman1911 06-05-2014 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 695944)
Check this out !!! LM FAo

Well no sh I t guides are better at catching fish than most weekend warriors. That's why people pay to fish with them. Anyone that would complain about that is a dumbazz.
I work on cars. Know why? Cause i'm not good enough at baseball thats why. Do what you do and ****. Too many whiney little beeches in this world.

duckman1911 06-05-2014 02:16 PM

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They look like twins. Where do I sign up? A bottle of Patron and its on :)

ThePinkBanana 06-05-2014 06:38 PM

Counted 9 boats on LSU South today at 11 PM on a thursday. Sounds kind of over fished to me LOL

jpeff31787 06-05-2014 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon_Picou (Post 696191)
Counted 9 boats on LSU South today at 11 PM on a thursday. Sounds kind of over fished to me LOL


Haha go to vbay.. 30 boats around one rig all within cast distance...


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