CCA Email 06/05/2014
 

Guess they want to talk.

Looks like the people that should be able to answer some questions will be there. I'll be there. D. Cresson said he would do his best to get this meeting together for every one with questions and concerns. It didn't take him long.

I'll be working and will have to miss it. Take notes for me!

maybe they had a snitch tell them some stuffs a brewin.

I will be there for sure

im gonna contemplate gracing them with my presence.

Looks like a near perfect assembly of persons that can get thinks done for BL. All that's needed are the fishermen to show up and voice their concerns and solutions. MathGeek, W and co. here's a great opportunity to get things rolling!

they will put on a show.

Math Geek coming slangin pie charts and handing out bubble gum.

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Hope they guy over oyster fishing on Big Lake brings Vaseline!!!

Lmao

Well; if everyone will discuss things like grown up's and ask INTELLIGENT questions, TRULY want to SEEK SOLUTIONS, Looking for a WIN/WIN result!!!!! This Meeting could be the start of some positive action...

It'll be a dog and pony show. I'm sure they'll say everything we want to hear instead of their true stance.

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Hope that sob from cca is there that I had words with at the banquet last week. He told me that cca tried to get oyster dredging stopped but the bill was shot down in the house last yr. Should be and interesting evening

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I agree 100% that changes have to be made on Cal Lake. Just hope that everyone keeps a cool head and has intelligent questions and conversations to get some answers.

I'll be there.

Everyone needs to show up

will they also be talking about the 10 trout limits someone thinks is a great idea?

What questions will you be asking at the meeting?


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That's for your area of the state. ;)

its almost worth it for me to make a 6 hour drive down there to get hauled out in handcuffs for asking the wrong questions

if they make a 10 trout limit for grand isle then BL will have catch and release only or a two speck limit for sure

That's what I thought...


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Shouldn't take but 3.5 to 4hrs for you to get here.

I can be in Dallas tx or Florida in 6 hours


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Kinda what I was thinking.

He must have been talking round trip... Not worth his time to bust the CCA chops in public!


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only question I want is the truth


I want them to stop lying to the public about closing weirs for coastal conservation and marsh loss

And come out and stop lying

Just tell us the truth that it's 100% because of duck hunting

Stop freaken lying

My god, you just don't give up on this **** do you?

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You better believe I'm a gunna be there! Raising hell!

Boycott CCA!!!

I agree to an extent. We should know exactly how they dictate open and close the weir... What they do. Salinity checks... Then we can check and call b u l l s h $$ when it's needed.


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Why did they open the weirs today ??

Salinity is still high
not full moon or new
Marsh is 3ft lower than lake

Is it from the pressure being put on them ??? Why did they just out of the blue open em up today ??


Salinity on lake is high !! Real high

yes round trip:

via I-10 WWalk via I-10 WCycle via I-10 W · 188 miles2 h 52 min2 h 47min

188 miles2 h 43 min without traffic

and who the hell are you to decide who or what I feel is worth my time.

you don't know my health concerns or my financial situation or anything about me so get off your high horse and stop being judgemental of those whos situations you know nothing about.

I wont even get into the fact its in a part of the state I will never visit or make use of even though I still care deeply about fellow fishermen anywhere being treated unfairly

I wasn't able to go. Any info on the meeting?

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Its not til July 9th, unless I read that wrong.

Planning to make the trip from BR.

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Oh hell. Good! I'll schedule to make it. I was thinking June!

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Unfortunately, I can't be in LC both on the 9th and then for the SC Tourney on the 19th. In my prioritization of fishing issues, fishing takes priority over talking about fishing, and my son and I have big plans to win the trash fish category! (That right, MathGeek is talking trash about trash fish, so bring it on!)

But I don't think it is science or math that will win the day. What is needed is a good turn out and gentle persistence (from different perspectives) regarding the essential points:

1. Fisheries should be managed based on scientific data not anecdotes and social pressure or fear that too much pressure is depleting the resource. Regulatory changes should be based on data that has been made available to the public for consideration and review.

2. Destruction of oyster reefs has hurt the fishery. The ecosystem services provided by oysters far outweigh the value of the harvested oysters taken from the reefs in the estuary. Oyster reefs are a key component to Calcasieu Lake habitat, and protecting the habitat is more important than overzealous protection of the stocks of sporting species which can recover more quickly than habitat.

3. We understand that the weirs are important to prevent further marsh loss from saltwater intrusion. But a high exchange of forage and fish between the marsh and lake is an important contributor to the food web and high production levels. The weirs should be open whenever salinity and water levels allow for the greatest exchange levels between marsh and lake. Weir openings should be driven by real time and predicted salinity and water levels.

4. The high connectivity between the ship channel and the Lake is the main cause of saltwater intrusion from the Gulf to the marsh. In the long term, rocking the ship channel to reduce this connectivity and maintain lower salinity levels in the lake will provide better protection to the marsh while allowing the weirs to be open more days per year.

5. The lowered speck limit has been an abysmal failure. Trophy trout and the size of tournament winning trout have declined since the limit change in 2005. Sabine is producing some big trout, not because of the lower trout limit, but because of abundant oyster reefs (no oysters are harvested in Sabine, and it has the best oyster reefs in the state), limited shrimping, and high levels of exchange of forage and fish with the surrounding marsh.

6. Redfish are overpopulated and talk of reducing the redfish limit will hurt the trout fishery even further because of the high level of forage overlap between the species, especially since crab numbers are low and redfish are directly competing with specks for most of the preferred trout forage sources. Protecting the resource means protecting what they eat, and overly abundant redfish will keep suppress trout populations and growth rates by both predation (eating age 0 trout) and competition for limited forage.

Calling specific parties liars may or may not be true, but it is unlikely to be productive. Remember that it is important not to lobby for a "bigger share of the pie" but to lobby for sound policies with a high probability of creating a bigger pie for all Louisiana citizens to share.

I had a polite email exchange with the oyster guy earlier today. The oyster issues really are not his fault, as oyster policy is set by a governing body, and the big tragedy in 2010 was more due to the oil spill concentrating harvest pressure than by a failure of the biologists. The governing body would do well to go back to tongs and limit the harvest, but with the rest of the state's oyster production so low, they had to make some concessions in West Cove. At least harvesting in the main lake has been closed for several years and I am optimistic that the reefs on the east side are improving.

You got a frog in your pocket MG? Because from what I've seen around here, there are very few that understand this about the weirs. I agree with you on this, but I don't believe the majority do. That is why they keep getting blamed for the "poor fishing".

I think a lot of folks get the basic necessity of the weirs, but a more vocal minority prefers to trumpet an oversimplified version that basically represents the tendency to dumb down the nuances of an issue in public policy discussions.

There is room for disagreement and wide viewpoints, but I think the view I articulated above is sound from a scientific and management viewpoint, and is the one most likely to result in helping the lake by increasing the number of days each year the weirs are open.

Sentiments like "blow up the weirs" may gather some popular support among frustrated anglers, but these sentiments are unlikely to yield helpful changes in the operation.

The goals can be high and lofty, but the tone of the discussion should be sober, moderate, and well-informed.

I completely agree with that viewpoint. But you have to convince people that that is in fact what the weirs are there for, and for the overwhelming majority, its not going to happen.

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Mg...your statement above that Sabine has the best oyster reefs in the state......are you taking tx or la?....cuz matty has best& most oysters in tx. Jussayin

Well I would assume since we are talking LOUISIANA, he means LOUISIANA.

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SaltyCajun. We discuss Louisiana fishing here. All the recent LDWF Oyster Stock assessments show that Sabine rules.

Does TX even do oyster stock assessments? Is TX anywhere near Louisiana in oyster production?

What type of questions
 

The kind of questions wanted--The pre-prepared softball generic questions that can be answered in vague formats. Is that what you want, biggun?

I have been asking real, intelligent questions, seeking real solutions for 15 years and have never, ever received an answer. In fact, the only thing I ever received what a threat from you and others.

From my standpoint it is too late, the CCA must die. And we got 12M to make it happen.

wow.

So, are either of you going to be at this meeting?

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Sir

What meeting about U speaking about?? I KNOW thats a LIE....... Pick a meeting and date...

If we had; and U came up to me and told me ur name.. Results would NOT be in your favor...

I won't just state Stuff.. I'll post my work time sheets to prove were I am..

Come ON, Name a meeting and Date we were together... U can't .. U have NEVER SEEN ME IN PERSON... PERIOD....

U have NEVER POSTED A PICTURE OF U self in person, Fishing or hunting.. Period on here.

U are probably some 10 yr old with Delusions of Grandure...

I agree that greatly reducing CCA influence is in the best interests of both Louisiana anglers and Louisiana fish habitat.

I hope folks are careful not to display angst or anger regarding CCA toward LDWF representatives and other non-CCA folks who happen to be at this important meeting simply because CCA made the arrangements.

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No. La produces about twice the oysters that TX does annually. Since there has been a lot of talk here lately about TX regs influencing LA regs, (which is ridiculous) I was wondering if you were making a comparison between Sabine which along with G. Bay are the only 2 lakes left in TX that allow 10 trout/day having premium oyster stock and B.L. trout limits possibly dropping because of poor oyster stock. I was just pointing out that I didn't think that was the case. Over here, It's purely political. Got nothing to do with oysters. If you check my posts, I predicted this a long time ago and warned ya'll about what was happening here on S.C. in hopes to prevent it from happening to ya'll. As far as what fishing gets discussed here, I thought the reports and insight I provide from Sabine, and T-Bend were welcomed? Ya'll think of those waters as LA, I think of them as TX....we're both right. It's just perspective.