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YellaBlazer 07-31-2014 05:05 PM

Dumbest thing I've read in a while.
 
:help:

http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.s..._speckled.html

SuperDave 07-31-2014 07:26 PM

Maybe no one will go to grand isle any more.. LMAO

MathGeek 07-31-2014 08:35 PM

It is very vain and foolish to think that just because one cannot catch them that the fish aren't there. Barataria Bay and the Gulf of Mexico are biiiiiiig places. Fish patterns change with the available forage, salinity, and water conditions. Guys go to the same places that they've scored at in the past and the fish are somewhere else.

This just means more talent and skill is needed in the chase.

Tools like this just want to collect the same money for catching a lot fewer fish.

noodle creek 07-31-2014 08:52 PM

That guide is a moron. Before I even read the part about him wanting to reduce limits to 6 and 3, I was already thinking that he was "one of those guys."

Social media is making these issues into something that they are not. LAS posts all kind of articles every day that make me cringe. Knowing that people who don't get on the water much or may not be the most experienced fishermen read these articles and panic really bothers me. It is too easy for a few guides or people of authority who have differing opinions from most other fisherman to put a scare to the general public. There are so many guides who don't get on the internet for these reasons. They are out there every day still catching fish, and no one realizes this because it's not news worthy and they don't feel the need to boast about success.

Loneshark 07-31-2014 09:45 PM

Admitting you can't catch fish.... That can not be good for business?!!

"W" 07-31-2014 10:03 PM

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Stupid people allow stupid stuff to be publish to the public !! The guy should never be allowed to fish again for saying something so dumb . On top of that they went and published it to the public

All I can say

capt coonassty 07-31-2014 10:11 PM

How about this guy quit fishing for a few years. Clearly the reduced pressure from him not fishing will allow the stocks to rebound to previous levels and he can limit. Problem solved.

Sightwindow 07-31-2014 10:15 PM

Walk a few miles in a man's shoes of anyone who fishes east of Isles Denieres before you pass judgement. It's off across the board in the eastern half. Ponchartrain guides are lucky to get into double figures on trout nowadays. Something terrible has happened the past three years.

Now, dropping the limit on specks and reds? Absurd. But there are a lot less specks in the waters now.

"W" 07-31-2014 10:18 PM

Good thing that guy is now from a rich family with lawyers and oil money

Then y'all would have your very own limit reduction guru pushing on the east !!!

PUREBAY2200 07-31-2014 10:34 PM

Dude is an idiot, I've met him and he is completely full of BS. He's big on the kayak stuff and had been talking about reduced limits for 5-6 years.
I can't believe they published a story involving him. He's the type of guide that gives guides a bad name and makes a "story" out of his inability to find fish.

bayouchub 07-31-2014 11:53 PM

When the fishing gets a little tough it separates the real guides from all the wannabes that are out there now since inshore fishing has become "cool".

Bdub 08-01-2014 12:03 AM

Hey I have an idea, quit soaking live shrimp! They don't always want that, perhaps it takes more skill than that to catch them!

"W" 08-01-2014 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdub (Post 711045)
Hey I have an idea, quit soaking live shrimp! They don't always want that, perhaps it takes more skill than that to catch them!

You are a 100% right !! If you ban guides from using live bait inshore there would be a big drop off

The only advantage I ever used live bait for is if I have some kids and I need it which was twice this year when fishing was slow


There are guides who can't even do what I do with live bait everyday !! Take pride In your job and teach people how to fish not soak


Had a 10 year old yesterday freaken smoking trout with a matrix Shad almost every cast !!

pricecb 08-01-2014 07:21 AM

Some fools will do anything for ink. And the WLF loves these articles. More reason to lower limits and raise license (tax).

keakar 08-01-2014 12:16 PM

just like climate change, there are always those who manufacture reasons why things aren't perfect for them.

this guy has NO talent and he calls himself a guide but cant figure out fish move around so he needs to do that too lol.

the one thing that should be taken from this story is that this guy should never be hired as a guide and his comments and advice about fishing means nothing and should not be believed.

I hope everyone here takes the time to click on the link and vote in that survey to say there is nothing wrong with fish stocks.

as mentioned above, these idiots get press and are put out there to justify denying fishermen the ability to harvest fully sustainable and scientifically proven to be proper levels of resources from our waters. a guide that cant catch fish unless they are found in the spots he always fishes regularly isn't much of a guide at all and is just living off of spots he likely was told to go to or stole from following other guides.

the trouble is they (yes CCA is included in they) continue to "manufacture" these false reports finding idiots like him who lie or really do don't know how to catch fish so they blame the environment and articles are written using them to influence people into thinking there needs to be stricter regulations and reduced limits.

T-TOP 08-02-2014 08:59 PM

That guy needs to take some lesson from capt Marty Lacoste.....

YellaBlazer 08-02-2014 09:23 PM

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Yep, no fish around Grand Isle...

bayouchub 08-02-2014 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by YellaBlazer (Post 711349)
Yep, no fish around Grand Isle...

Yep i think limit needs to be dropped to one trout and half of a redfish for the whole state! Nice catch!

slickfish 08-02-2014 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 711054)
You are a 100% right !! If you ban guides from using live bait inshore there would be a big drop off

The only advantage I ever used live bait for is if I have some kids and I need it which was twice this year when fishing was slow


There are guides who can't even do what I do with live bait everyday !! Take pride In your job and teach people how to fish not soak


Had a 10 year old yesterday freaken smoking trout with a matrix Shad almost every cast !!

It's crazy how you talk this smack now but you weren't bumping your gums like this in March. What's up with that?

Clampy 08-03-2014 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by slickfish (Post 711352)
It's crazy how you talk this smack now but you weren't bumping your gums like this in March. What's up with that?

What's crazy is the only thing you contribute to this site is complaining about W.
What's up with that?

Visco 08-03-2014 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperDave (Post 710992)
Maybe no one will go to grand isle any more.. LMAO

Yea and save all the fishing for us! Every time I go to GI I am catching at least 10 trout, keeping a few and tagging the rest. IMO, with the presence of small trout, that alone shows that the population is still thriving, we're just seeing a change in the "normal patterns."

My thoughts is that this late summer to fall will be a good one.

duckman1911 08-03-2014 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 711386)
What's crazy is the only thing you contribute to this site is complaining about W.
What's up with that?

I think he secrectly has gay fantasies about W. He's prolly whackin off in his bedroom to W's reports.

slickfish 08-03-2014 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 711406)
I think he secrectly has gay fantasies about W. He's prolly whackin off in his bedroom to W's reports.

Lmao!! If that was the case I'd have some serious build up for nine months out of the year. W's good people I'm sure. Good for what I'll never know.

eman 08-03-2014 06:56 PM

IMHO and w/ no scientific basis. I believe that we either lost or had one year w/ a very bad trout spawn. 2 -3 years ago w were catching larger than normal trout, Last year was average size . This year the guides and fishermen that catch are catching up to 12
dinks for maybe 1 keeper. Plenty of fish being caught and the winter time fishing and next spring is going to be on fire as all the dinks will be keepers by then. I have seen this happen more than a few times over the 40+ years i have fished there. No shortage of trout. They may not be where Capt wray wants them to be but they are there.

keakar 08-03-2014 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by eman (Post 711499)
IMHO and w/ no scientific basis. I believe that we either lost or had one year w/ a very bad trout spawn. 2 -3 years ago w were catching larger than normal trout, Last year was average size . This year the guides and fishermen that catch are catching up to 12
dinks for maybe 1 keeper. Plenty of fish being caught and the winter time fishing and next spring is going to be on fire as all the dinks will be keepers by then. I have seen this happen more than a few times over the 40+ years i have fished there. No shortage of trout. They may not be where Capt wray wants them to be but they are there.

im sure all those chemicals from the BP mess HAD to have an effect on fish, weather its impact is greater in the growing patterns, spawning patterns, or just running them off tradition areas to find completely new areas we aren't used to finding them in.

YellaBlazer 08-03-2014 07:56 PM

A little bit on trout biology
 
Posted this to FB earlier. Seems fitting to post here as well.

(I’m using speckled trout as an example here. This same general principle goes for any fish. Kinda hoping MathGeek reads this and chimes in.)

Why do speckled trout eat?


They eat because their bodies require energy to do 3 things: Survive, Grow and Reproduce.


Each of these stages in a young trout’s life is based on the preceding factor. It cannot grow without first meeting its basic needs for survival. Likewise, it cannot reproduce efficiently without first having an adult body.


When food is plentiful and conditions are right, the survival stage is met rather easily. The trout in this set of conditions grow rapidly, and, once they reach adulthood, reproduce often. This set of conditions has a high carrying capacity.


On the other hand, when food is scarce or conditions make survival difficult, less energy is spent on grown in order to ensure the young trout’s survival. This results in trout that are smaller when compared to other fish in more ideal conditions. This condition set has a lower carrying capacity.


And now to the point…


It’s been a tough spring for us in Barataria Bay, that’s a given. The amount of “keeper” trout is down from previous years. It has some people panicking and wanting reduced limits. To say the sky is falling and the estuary is crashing is foolhardy. What we have is a problem in meeting the trout’s first and most important life factor, Survival.


To prove this theory, all you have to do is go out into the bay and fish for a while. You will be bombarded by 10”-11” fish. These are our “keeper” fish under normal conditions from previous years. The absolute brutal winter we’ve just been through made surviving difficult. It’s tough to hunt down, catch and digest food when your metabolism is in slow motion. A slow metabolism equates to less energy transfer and less energy means less growth. This is a basic principle to all life as we know it.


The silver lining to all of this is that conditions have become more favorable in the last few months. These 10”-11” trout are eating vigorously, because the amount of food available to them now is easily meeting their first stage of Survival.


What this equates to is all these undersized fish are growing, and growing fast. And, there’s a ton of them out there… We haven’t been keeping any of them because they don’t meet the minimum length requirement.


So what does this mean for the fishermen across the state? Once the cool fronts start coming down in October/November, be ready. The fall trout migration this year will have the potential to be awe-inspiring.

Clampy 08-04-2014 09:24 AM

This fall will be awesome. Can't wait.

jpeff31787 08-04-2014 09:35 AM

i was through reading once I saw dropped the creel limit from 25 to 6... poor guy obviously doesn't know how to fish.. If you can't catch your 25 in grand isle, something is wrong with you

BeastMan 08-04-2014 10:45 AM

I'm a MS & LA angler and we've had a better year this summer than the last and it isn't even close. The only problem, if there is one, is the insane number of throwbacks. I've heard guides that fish MS & LA waters say they are very excited about the future b/c there have been so many 9-12 inch trout. More than usual.


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