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simplepeddler 08-10-2014 09:36 AM

Tony Stewart
 
not sure if you guys have seen it.......but Nascar Driver Tony Stewart ran over a guy on the track last night and killed the guy.......

looks like there was intent

hewes 08-10-2014 09:46 AM

saw it. tonys set to race today. unbeleiveable go kyle bush 18

hewes 08-10-2014 09:47 AM

just saw release tonys not racing

FF_T_Warren 08-10-2014 09:51 AM

i mean idk, it could have certainly been avoided had he went way out of the way but the other dude was obviously a hothead and instead of being smart, he tried to intimidate him and got clipped. I think tony just refused to be intimidated by the guy and stayed on a straight course and the idiot just stepped into him a lil too close trying to play tough guy.

"W" 08-10-2014 10:16 AM

Said Tony is not going to race today

I watched the YouTube vid , looks like the guy was walking over to Tony to cuss him and Tony went to go around him and gassed it a little to dodge him and rear end came around and hit em

Goooh 08-10-2014 10:24 AM

Wish there was a better video, pretty dumb of that kid to run down a dirt track at night wearing black clothes...

keakar 08-10-2014 10:28 AM

ya, I don't see where he could do anyting to avoid him, the guy was trying to get in his way to slow him down because he felt tony caused him to wreck and on a dirt track cars slide easy so anything tony could or would try to do to avoid him would make the car slide up and hit the guy so while some might think he hit the gas to try to hit him he was only doing what he could to maintain control trying to not hit him.

if anyone cant find the video, this is the best one I have seen on it but its still not a good view to see what really happened.


duckman1911 08-10-2014 10:37 AM

Rules say to stay in your car unless there is a fire. If he would have waited till after the race to settle his grievence he would still be alive.
Those are the most fun cars to watch.
Sad story.

simplepeddler 08-10-2014 10:48 AM

I agree that the rules say that for sure......
What we see though even on Nascar's adversisements, are the guys that get out, point and throw stuff. Including Tony.

It's not what see on that video, but what you hear, that is going to be hard for people to un-hear.

Tony gas the car and swerves into the guy's space.
It looks as though Tony was attempting to intimidate the guy.

Now these little cars are controlled as much by the throttle as they are by the steering wheel.

Matt G 08-10-2014 10:53 AM

Fool should have stayed in his car. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. I feel bad for the guys family as well as Stewart.

keakar 08-10-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 713085)
I agree that the rules say that for sure......
What we see though even on Nascar's adversisements, are the guys that get out, point and throw stuff. Including Tony.

It's not what see on that video, but what you hear, that is going to be hard for people to un-hear.

Tony gas the car and swerves into the guy's space.
It looks as though Tony was attempting to intimidate the guy.

Now these little cars are controlled as much by the throttle as they are by the steering wheel.

watch the guys feet, he comes down the track to get in tony's way and at the last second he moves up the track about 3 feet and stops there to reposition himself in front of the car as tony (I assume) was attempting to try to go around him on the top side.

IMO the guy had time and moved far enough to get out of the way had he chose to but instead chose to stay directly in front of tony's car trying to stop him.

im no tony fan and never really liked tony but I cant see any intent in the video except to get around an idiot standing in traffic on the race track

hewes 08-10-2014 11:21 AM

was there a caution? why was tony going so fast? was the race over? hard to understand.

duckman1911 08-10-2014 11:22 AM

The driver of #13 had no reason to be mad. He wrecked himself. He oversteered coming out of the corner and his back tire caught the wall. Tony's car came out of the corner and got straight. Other guys car is slill sliding out of the corner at an angle. He got too far out and his tire hit the wall. He wrecked his own car then got mad at Tony.

duckman1911 08-10-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by hewes (Post 713093)
was there a caution? why was tony going so fast? was the race over? hard to understand.

Even if there was a caution tony may not have know about it.

Crankbait36 08-10-2014 11:30 AM

Well being the guy got out of his car and the car in front of Tony dang near hit him I don't think Tony did it on purpose! I personally feel like Tony should be racing today! It's kind of like getting bucked off a horse and it's not right to penalize Tonys team for a mistake that this other guy made.

Goooh 08-10-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hewes (Post 713093)
was there a caution? why was tony going so fast? was the race over? hard to understand.


He was following another car, they were all going that speed for the most part. Cautions are held at about 40mph, those cars won't even run much slower than that - they have to be push started at about 25mph or more.

He came out of a corner behind another car and would have had little time to see the guy in the track once the other car moved.

hewes 08-10-2014 11:46 AM

fair enough thanks

keakar 08-10-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Crankbait36 (Post 713096)
Well being the guy got out of his car and the car in front of Tony dang near hit him I don't think Tony did it on purpose! I personally feel like Tony should be racing today! It's kind of like getting bucked off a horse and it's not right to penalize Tonys team for a mistake that this other guy made.

well I think it was most likely left up to tony and "maybe" this would have been too much of a distraction for him to race today. after all nascar is nothing like dirt track and if you hesitate or lose concentration for a second you can cause a wreck so tony may have decided he needed time to get over this.

I mean think about it from tony's perspective, he was just racing a clean race when this guy flips out and basicly jumps in front of his car committing suicide. that HAS TO be hard to absorb.

the rules in place now don't seam to be doing any good so in a way I think all racing classes need a hard and fast rule that if you get out of your car anywhere except the pits or your garage for any reason other then it is on fire or upside down then you get a mandatory one year suspension from racing again PERIOD. maybe THAT will keep these idiots from getting out of their cars and throwing helmets at other drivers cars or trying to start fist fights on the track. start a fight and never race again WILL get someones attention that its not a good idea.

duckman1911 08-10-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 713097)
He was following another car, they were all going that speed for the most part. Cautions are held at about 40mph, those cars won't even run much slower than that - they have to be push started at about 25mph or more.

He came out of a corner behind another car and would have had little time to see the guy in the track once the other car moved.

This is very true. Those cars have a single gear transmission that setup for the specific track they are racing that night. It doesn't have neutral. If its running its rolling. Roll too slow for your gear ratio you may stall the engine.
They are extremely powerful cars. 1.2lbs of weight per horsepower or so. You talking a 1250lb car with around 950 horses.

Goooh 08-10-2014 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 713105)
This is very true. Those cars have a single gear transmission that setup for the specific track they are racing that night. It doesn't have neutral. If its running its rolling. Roll too slow for your gear ratio you may stall the engine.

They are extremely powerful cars. 1.2lbs of weight per horsepower or so. You talking a 1250lb car with around 950 horses.


Add to that the fact that they really aren't made to "steer" with those front tires, they're basically drifters. You hammer and feather the gas in a controlled spin on that slick dirt.

Imagine trying to jerk the wheel with those tiny tires at 40mph on wet dirt, of course he hit the gas to steer away (like a boat, gas it for more maneuvering).

I don't see him running down a 20 year old kid.

Dogface 08-10-2014 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 713108)
Add to that the fact that they really aren't made to "steer" with those front tires, they're basically drifters. You hammer and feather the gas in a controlled spin on that slick dirt.

Imagine trying to jerk the wheel with those tiny tires at 40mph on wet dirt, of course he hit the gas to steer away (like a boat, gas it for more maneuvering).

I don't see him running down a 20 year old kid.

I don't think there is any way Tony was trying to run this kid down. Tony is a great driver and these cars are very hard to drive. Like Gooh said, they are in a controlled spin almost the entire way around.

duckman1911 08-10-2014 01:50 PM

Why he was so mad at Tony beats me. Watch the first 15 seconds of the video a few times. The guy wrecked all by himself. He slid out too far and caught the wall with his right rear tire. Tony's car doesn't even bobble before the impact. Tony was driving clean.

specktator 08-10-2014 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 713116)
Why he was so mad at Tony beats me. Watch the first 15 seconds of the video a few times. The guy wrecked all by himself. He slid out too far and caught the wall with his right rear tire. Tony's car doesn't even bobble before the impact. Tony was driving clean.


X2

duckman1911 08-10-2014 02:36 PM

Another thing about the young guy actually getting hit. The front wing and top wing of those cars really decrease your forward verical field of view when in a banked corner. Just like when you have your sunvisor down and go down a steep hill. When you get close to the bottom your visor blocks the view of the hill you're fixing to go up. It just shrinks your field of view. Coming out of that corner Tony may have not seen him until a split second before he was hit.

Country Boy 08-10-2014 02:44 PM

Man that's terrible !

Chip Landry 08-10-2014 03:07 PM

Watching the race right now, they were talking about the incident last night and espn reported that there are no charges filed against Tony but the DA will continue to investigate. They are asking fans that were at the race to send any videos to authorities. This could get interesting..

Salty 08-10-2014 03:15 PM

Let's not forget that the dude gets out of his car, moves toward oncoming traffic on a dimly-lit (at best) track wearing a dark colored suit. Looks to me like he had a death wish.

noodle creek 08-10-2014 03:18 PM

Yeah dude was in dead center of track wearing black. There is absolutely no way to prove Tony ran him over on purpose. Nothing will happen at all.

duckman1911 08-10-2014 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip Landry (Post 713130)
Watching the race right now, they were talking about the incident last night and espn reported that there are no charges filed against Tony but the DA will continue to investigate. They are asking fans that were at the race to send any videos to authorities. This could get interesting..

Will really be surprised if there isn't at least some kind of civil lawsuit for Tony. It's very sad for Tony. I have watched it prolly thirty times and can't see any wrong doing on Tony's part. A hot headed guy wrecked his car and was pissed. His anger cost him his life. From the video, Tony never touched him and tried to spin around him when he saw him on the track.
If he was mad about being pushed to the outside in the corner he should have gave Tony the inside line and fell in behind him going into the corner. Back of the throttle faster In the corner for traction and drive under him coming out of the corner.

simplepeddler 08-10-2014 03:34 PM

This would be a totally different story if Tony was the one dead and the 20YO had juked him.........

duckman1911 08-10-2014 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 713140)
This would be a totally different story if Tony was the one dead and the 20YO had juked him.........

Are you saying it's gona be nothing because it's the famous Tony Stewart? God I hope not. I don't see were he did anything wrong. If that's the case I must ask if you've watched the video and how many times?Not trying to start a fight but do you follow sprint car racing? Its a whole different world than nascar racing.

simplepeddler 08-10-2014 03:55 PM

yes I do follow.........you are not going to start a fight brother........

I have watched the video countless times now.
Tony has a history of muscling himself around at these races. He shows up unannounced and pounds everyone down and leaves......and the owners of the tracks, typically other drivers AND Tony love it.

I do not believe for one minute Tony lost his temper and drove down a driver in front of hundreds of people.

What I do see and more so hear is him trying to throw some dirt on this kid.

It ain't a far cast to know what Tony would say if he was in the fence by this kid. He rarely is ever at fault. He cannot stand getting pounded by the younger drivers.

Look man, he is an incredible person and has done countless good things.

He made a mistage here that I truly beleive will get purposefully "un-noticed" when it's all said and done.

I can see where the kid is a fault to for getting out the car........
BUT Tony is a world class driver.....he spends hours driving with cat like reflexes and then he can't see this kid? at 40 MPH??

I just ain't buying it.....

But I respect the fact that this will be hard for many to see based on who he is and how good of a man he is off the track

Goooh 08-10-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 713146)
yes I do follow.........you are not going to start a fight brother........

I have watched the video countless times now.
Tony has a history of muscling himself around at these races. He shows up unannounced and pounds everyone down and leaves......and the owners of the tracks, typically other drivers AND Tony love it.

I do not believe for one minute Tony lost his temper and drove down a driver in front of hundreds of people.

What I do see and more so hear is him trying to throw some dirt on this kid.

It ain't a far cast to know what Tony would say if he was in the fence by this kid. He rarely is ever at fault. He cannot stand getting pounded by the younger drivers.

Look man, he is an incredible person and has done countless good things.

He made a mistage here that I truly beleive will get purposefully "un-noticed" when it's all said and done.

I can see where the kid is a fault to for getting out the car........
BUT Tony is a world class driver.....he spends hours driving with cat like reflexes and then he can't see this kid? at 40 MPH??

I just ain't buying it.....

But I respect the fact that this will be hard for many to see based on who he is and how good of a man he is off the track


I don't like him, never did. Actually couldn't stand him.

By your logic, being so skilled Tony would have been able to graze the kid with the rear of the car to embarrass him - hell, he gets within inches of concrete walls, bumpers and the sides of cars at 200mph...

A master does not simply misjudge by a few feet

simplepeddler 08-10-2014 04:14 PM

..........I think he misjudged by a few inches.......

duckman1911 08-10-2014 04:40 PM

Simple I dont know if you read my post about how the front and top wings of those cars really cut down on the drivers vertical field of view in banked turns. Not sure of the bank angle on that track but some tracks (bristol) only gives a driver an 24" or so of vertical view in the corners. You come out of a corner with low view point and 50' disappears fast even at 40mph.
Not saying this isn't a sad situation. I just believe it was caused by the young driver and unfortunatly it cost him his life.

simplepeddler 08-10-2014 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 713152)
Simple I dont know if you read my post about how the front and top wings of those cars really cut down on the drivers vertical field of view in banked turns. Not sure of the bank angle on that track but some tracks (bristol) only gives a driver an 24" or so of vertical view in the corners. You come out of a corner with low view point and 50' disappears fast even at 40mph.
Not saying this isn't a sad situation. I just believe it was caused by the young driver and unfortunatly it cost him his life.

Fari enough man......we see two sides of the same quarter as it were

Goooh 08-10-2014 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 713150)
..........I think he misjudged by a few inches.......


Negative - inches would have bumped the kid or knocked him down, feet sucked him up into a ridiculously wide tire and spit him into the air

Bluechip 08-10-2014 06:58 PM

It's a sad situation.... But that's why my parents always told me not to play in the road.

"W" 08-10-2014 08:46 PM

Kid should of never got out of car


No news here sad deal but you can only blame the kid 100% if he stays in his car he is here today bottom line

You sure don't run out on I-10 into traffic do you ?

sugardad 08-10-2014 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 713199)
Kid should of never got out of car


No news here sad deal but you can only blame the kid 100% if he stays in his car he is here today bottom line

You sure don't run out on I-10 into traffic do you ?

In the drivers meeting they tell drivers don't exit the car unless it's on fire or upside down.........he didn't listen. Not sure what happened with tony but the kid lost his life. Watched the video and doesn't seen like tony did anything intentional.

southern151 08-10-2014 09:31 PM

Can't stand Tony Stewart but, I don't see an infraction here. If you've ever tried walking across one of those dirt tracks, you'd know NEVER to do it while cars are in motion.

Bluechip 08-10-2014 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by southern151 (Post 713222)
Can't stand Tony Stewart but, I don't see an infraction here. If you've ever tried walking across one of those dirt tracks, you'd know NEVER to do it while cars are in motion.

From what I was reading today those cars idle around 40+ mph and a lot of their steering is done with the accelerator going around the turns.

Just a sad situation all the way around.

duckman1911 08-10-2014 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southern151 (Post 713222)
Can't stand Tony Stewart but, I don't see an infraction here. If you've ever tried walking across one of those dirt tracks, you'd know NEVER to do it while cars are in motion.

Not a Stewart fan but don't dislike him either. He is a true racer. No wife, no kids. He races anywhere and everywhere he can. That's all he does and he's very good at it. He will push you out of a good line if he can because he wants to win. He also knows any other driver will do the same to him. He just likes to go fast.

duckman1911 08-10-2014 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluechip (Post 713239)
From what I was reading today those cars idle around 40+ mph and a lot of their steering is done with the accelerator going around the turns.

Just a sad situation all the way around.

That is right. In the video when he pops the throttle thr rear of the car actually swings away from the guy. Too little too late unfortunatly.

BuckingFastard 08-11-2014 06:33 AM

not a fan of stewart but im not a fan of idiots walking in a black suit, black helmet, at night, on a poorly lit race track.... idiot had it coming when he got out his car.


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