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davidpuddy 09-02-2014 11:51 AM

Bow of boat under the roller during loading
 
Anyone have the bow of their boat go under the roller? This is my third boat, and I've never had this problem before.
It's impossible the load the boat alone.

2014 excel 220 bay pro. Diamond city trailer.

swamp snorkler 09-02-2014 12:10 PM

Can you adjust the roller to go down a few inches?

post a pic

selout 09-02-2014 12:26 PM

Mine does that if I back the trailer into the water to far.

mriguy 09-02-2014 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by selout (Post 717516)
Mine does that if I back the trailer into the water to far.

This

Let um land 09-02-2014 12:36 PM

Roller
 
Fight this often, only thing we have found to do is back the trailer in as normal and get the hull partially on the trailer, pull the truck up to compensate for the angle and winch it up the rest of the way. Pain in butt, and yes even worse alone.

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 12:39 PM

I'm glad that I'm not alone. I have lowered the roller down about 6-8 inches. Still does it on a not so steep launch. When I loosened the nuts the boat dropped about 6-8 inches (hard). Now the roller is right below the balance point of the boat.

alphaman 09-02-2014 01:07 PM

How far are you backing down into the water. The top of the finders shouldn't be under the water.

Goooh 09-02-2014 01:10 PM

Post pics of the boat on the trailer

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 01:27 PM

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I am backing down until the back of the fender hits the water. From that point I have to go full throttle and someone has the turn the winch to get the boat over the roller.

Here's a side view before I moved the roller down. Kinda far away, but I can get a better pic tonight if need be.

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Duckaholic 09-02-2014 01:55 PM

Don't back in so far down the ramp. Use your motor to push your boat up the boards and up to the roller. Problem solved.

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 02:06 PM

I've tried that too. This is not my first boat, but it is the first one that I can't load alone.

meaux fishing 09-02-2014 02:09 PM

have you tried adjusting the trailer bunks? Make the front higher than the back.

swamp snorkler 09-02-2014 02:09 PM

Can you post a pic with the entire tounge in the shot?

You may also need to move the post back a little or flip the roller?

backlash 09-02-2014 02:15 PM

Yep the front of your bunks are too low.

sacalaitman 09-02-2014 02:30 PM

Trim your motor out to create s little lift. Had the same problem with my boat until I fixed where the bow stop hit

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 02:31 PM

I'll get a better/closer pic tonight. I have about 1" of adjustment to up on the bunks as they sit right now.

Paulox86 09-02-2014 02:47 PM

Then lower the rear of the bunks. Go back to dealer and take some measurements on another rig.

Goooh 09-02-2014 02:47 PM

Bow of boat under the roller during loading
 
You should be able to raise the front of your bunks a little a

Have you smacked that cross member halfway between your bunks and roller?

kb7722 09-02-2014 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by davidpuddy (Post 717534)
I am backing down until the back of the fender hits the water. From that point I have to go full throttle and someone has the turn the winch to get the boat over the roller.

Sounds like you could back down a little more. The more you back down, the lower the roller relative to the water level. Of course if you back down to far, you boat won't be touching the bunks when it reaches the roller.

fishfighter 09-02-2014 03:03 PM

roller
 
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do you have a roller or support in the front of the boat on the cross tie where i scribbled on your pic

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 717572)
You should be able to raise the front of your bunks a little a

Have you smacked that cross member halfway between your bunks and roller?


I don't think I have hit that cross member yet. There are no marks on it or on the keel of the boat.

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fishfighter (Post 717585)
do you have a roller or support in the front of the boat on the cross tie where i scribbled on your pic


No there is nothing there. My first thought when I tried to load the boat was that there needs to be something there, but the dealer assured me that there isn't one there on any other boat on his lot.

fishfighter 09-02-2014 03:26 PM

support
 
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Originally Posted by davidpuddy (Post 717588)
No there is nothing there. My first thought when I tried to load the boat was that there needs to be something there, but the dealer assured me that there isn't one there on any other boat on his lot.

i have seen aluminum hulls start to bend over time when there is no support on that part of the trailer, it may not be the case with the bow support on the wench, but you do need to support more of the bottom of your boat, longer bunks that rise in the front or some sort of riser right there

Paulox86 09-02-2014 03:42 PM

Why only a single axel trailer? 22' boat should be on a tandem because of weight. What weight is the axel rated for? Then add the trailer and boat weight, and I'll bet the axel is overloaded.


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Reefman 09-02-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fishfighter (Post 717598)
i have seen aluminum hulls start to bend over time when there is no support on that part of the trailer, it may not be the case with the bow support on the wench, but you do need to support more of the bottom of your boat, longer bunks that rise in the front or some sort of riser right there

Great advice! I'd add a "V" style roller That will attach to that cross over support near the front of trailer. This will start to raise the bow as soon as the boat slides on to the V roller. Dropping the bunk boards at the back of trailer will help but better to raise the front bunks to a higher angle.

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulox86 (Post 717602)
Why only a single axel trailer? 22' boat should be on a tandem because of weight. What weight is the axel rated for? Then add the trailer and boat weight, and I'll bet the axel is overloaded.


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That's a great question. I asked the very same question before I bought it. I was assured that it's the correct trailer for this boat.

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefman (Post 717608)
Great advice! I'd add a "V" style roller That will attach to that cross over support near the front of trailer. This will start to raise the bow as soon as the boat slides on to the V roller. Dropping the bunk boards at the back of trailer will help but better to raise the front bunks to a higher angle.


That was my thought also. I texted pics to the owner of the trailer company a little while ago. I'm waiting to hear back from him now.

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishfighter (Post 717598)
i have seen aluminum hulls start to bend over time when there is no support on that part of the trailer, it may not be the case with the bow support on the wench, but you do need to support more of the bottom of your boat, longer bunks that rise in the front or some sort of riser right there


Also a concern I had addressed with the owner of the trailer company.

Hydro 09-02-2014 05:26 PM

Nice boat !

Looks like you have 10' of unsupported hull there ... Bunks stretched out to past where your rake begins would help ...

You just don't have anything to ride up on ...

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydro (Post 717631)
Nice boat !

Looks like you have 10' of unsupported hull there ... Bunks stretched out to past where your rake begins would help ...

You just don't have anything to ride up on ...


Thanks... And exactly!!!

Nothing but specks 09-02-2014 09:06 PM

I gotta 20 ft express. Similar boat and trailer. I put the Teflon sides on my bunks and really helped a lot . When I launch alone I try to get boat close to dock so I can step on dock to finish winching up. Works for me!

Will"E"Fish 09-02-2014 09:14 PM

I recently bought a new trailer for 21' Kenner Vision raised the boat bunks to where the sides of boat are actually higher than the top fenders. Boat loads and unload's like drive on trailer should without any assistance.I know 2 people here in LC that can diffently help u with your issue's.PM if needed.

davidpuddy 09-02-2014 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Will"E"Fish (Post 717708)
I recently bought a new trailer for 21' Kenner Vision raised the boat bunks to where the sides of boat are actually higher than the top fenders. Boat loads and unload's like drive on trailer should without any assistance.I know 2 people here in LC that can diffently help u with your issue's.PM if needed.


Thanks guys. I heard back from the owner of the trailer company. He's gonna get back with me in the morning. He wanted to get with some of his designers, and let me know what the fix is. Pretty nice guy. He gave me his cell phone number, and we texted a while this afternoon.

nozediver 09-03-2014 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 717550)
have you tried adjusting the trailer bunks? Make the front higher than the back.

X2. I had the same problem when I replace my trailer. You need more lift so raising the front bunks will give you more lift

I make oil 09-03-2014 04:19 AM

I struggle with mine alone sometimes too. I have a double axle alum trailer and it actually FLOATS! What a PITA to load sometimes. If I'm by myself I just use another boat.

PaulMyers 09-03-2014 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by I make oil (Post 717744)
I struggle with mine alone sometimes too. I have a double axle alum trailer and it actually FLOATS! What a PITA to load sometimes. If I'm by myself I just use another boat.

Well, that's got to suck! I bet you do have trouble.

Goooh 09-03-2014 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 717747)
Well, that's got to suck! I bet you do have trouble.


Got a backup boat for the boat that sucks to load alone, BIG PROBLEMS

meaux fishing 09-03-2014 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I make oil (Post 717744)
I struggle with mine alone sometimes too. I have a double axle alum trailer and it actually FLOATS! What a PITA to load sometimes. If I'm by myself I just use another boat.

stop filling your tires with helium

Bluechip 09-03-2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 717763)
stop filling your tires with helium

I thought Waterloo had a patent on that.

davidpuddy 09-03-2014 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 717761)
Got a backup boat for the boat that sucks to load alone, BIG PROBLEMS


That's first world problems right there...

I make oil 09-03-2014 12:28 PM

LOL. Yep.

shellman 09-03-2014 05:32 PM

Trailer bunks are set incorectly.If still under waranty i would bring back to dealer and make them adjust bunks so boat loads corectly.If that does not work sell the trailer and get a Sportral.Nuff said.....

davidpuddy 09-03-2014 05:39 PM

The owner of the trailer company is sending me out the hardware to fix the issue. Great guy to deal with. He could have directed me to the dealer, but instead he's taking care of the problem for me personally.

swamp snorkler 09-04-2014 06:27 AM

That's great to know. Did he say anything about the bunks not being long enough?

davidpuddy 09-04-2014 06:47 AM

That's exactly what he said. He's sending me the correct bunks and the mounts for them. Also a keel roller for extra lift and support.

AubreyLaHaye458 09-04-2014 07:54 AM

Man. Sounds like the put that boat on the wrong trailer to begin with.


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