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Nickt87 05-19-2015 07:55 AM

Death Penalty, What do you think?
 
I heard recently that the Boston Bomber was sentenced to death. Of course there will be appeals and years of drawn out arguments, but I was pretty surprised that a Northern Blue state would assign the death penalty.

Personally, as a Christian I do not believe a man of flesh should have the ability to make the ultimate judgment of another man. I believe that is God's responsibility and he is the only one with the ability to truly judge and sentence others for life or death. I understand that some crimes have the ability to be unfathomable, but I believe the burden of pre-meditated inflicted death should not be of any other except God.

I do believe in self/public defense and believe that it needs to be done in whatever means necessary at the moment. But once the threat is secured/removed I don't believe in executing the individual. I do also believe that the means of public/self defense is under utilized as well as over utilized in certain circumstances(I digress).

Not here to ask what you think of my belief or to tell you what I think of yours, I just am curious as to what other Americans personally believe/feel about the ability to "justifiably" execute another man that no longer has the ability to directly harm another.

I am curious to what other's perception/belief is related to the death penalty. Do you believe in the death penalty? If so, in which circumstance or at what degree? What methods of execution do you believe should be in place?

EDIT*
I guess my opinion is similar to Rules/Law of War. Remove the threat with necessary means but once the threat is secured/removed, excessive destruction is not allowed. I also believe that hard labor and harsh conditions for imprisonment are under utilized as well.

tim3516 05-19-2015 08:18 AM

Not enough death penalty sentences being given. I'd rather the death penalty then paying for them to have three meals a day for the rest of there lives. Just wish the death penalty wasn't so drawn out and they use a piece of rope.


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mriguy 05-19-2015 09:08 AM

Wet the sponge

PotLikinisAhabbit 05-19-2015 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mriguy (Post 754987)
Wet the sponge

Leave it dry.

Speck Attack 05-19-2015 10:18 AM

Electircity is expense, a Bullet is still costly...rope is reusable...enough said...

tim3516 05-19-2015 11:52 AM

They need to start an express lane


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DeeCee 05-19-2015 12:04 PM

If I was on a jury, I would be hard pressed to sentence someone to death.

Rat-Red 05-19-2015 12:48 PM

I was surprised that the Northern Blue states voted on the death penalty as well. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I can see how some folks would think that life in prison would have been a better choice for his crimes. My personal thoughts are that death by lethal injection is not fair....because it's not harsh enough. I think this terrorist needs to suffer for murdering innocent people. I would not lose one wink of sleep voting to give someone like that the death penalty and I feel like he shouldn't get to appeal because it's a waste of time and money. I think in "clear cut" death cases with more than one witness or video evidence - you shouldn't be allowed an appeal. I know that will never change...

redalertlures 05-19-2015 01:14 PM

Great question...I to am a Christian....my opinion will be more on the flesh side...

I was a Navy medic, and a nurse for 28 years. I have worked in several prisons from so called "weekenders" to super max.

Worked Death Row at 3 prisons.

I am wholeheartedly in favor of the death penalty. I do not agree with the appeals process as it is so convoluted and drawn out. If someone is sentenced to death, two appeals is all I would allow.

Harsh?? I don't know...lets ask the victims families....

I met some really messed up guys on death row. I met some even more messed up serving "life" sentences. The "lifers" usually are more apt to cause trouble for the guards that have to deal with them on a day to day basis...believe me...the guards absolutely do not get paid anywhere close to what they should ...

I only met one on Death Row that I thought was not guilty, and he told me he was. I was shocked.

So, yes, I do believe in using the Death penalty and I think is should be used more often.

duckman1911 05-19-2015 01:32 PM

Short drop sudden stop.

duckman1911 05-19-2015 01:35 PM

I believe the victim (if living) or the victims closest living relative should be the ones to pass judgment.

Nickt87 05-19-2015 01:50 PM

For those that responded, finish the response.

Do you believe in the death penalty? If so, in which circumstance or at what degree? What methods of execution do you believe should be in place?

If you demand another man to death, explain the extent of crimes, or intent of crimes that you see worthy of death.

tim3516 05-19-2015 02:10 PM

There quite a few that's are deserving of it and I know I won't be able to address them all. Pedophiles, clear cut murderers, it's really a case by case thing with some crimes that should get it automatically.


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redalertlures 05-19-2015 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 755051)
For those that responded, finish the response.

Do you believe in the death penalty? If so, in which circumstance or at what degree? What methods of execution do you believe should be in place?

If you demand another man to death, explain the extent of crimes, or intent of crimes that you see worthy of death.

Certainly the punishment should fit the crime.

First Degree Murder, Cold blooded murder, mass murder, terroristic murder...I also believe Child molesters should be sentenced to death....I feel there is a special place in Hell for these monsters... their victims suffer all their lives...

I have made the statement that some should be put to death in the same manner that their victims were... but of course WHO would carry out this order? Its a catch 22 for sure...

Firing squad would be my preferred method.

Rapists should be castrated. Sorry , this is just my honest opinion here.

If we would go back to swift justice in some things I think we would have alot less crime...

I hope this answers your question a little better.

simplepeddler 05-19-2015 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 755051)
For those that responded, finish the response.

Do you believe in the death penalty? If so, in which circumstance or at what degree? What methods of execution do you believe should be in place?

If you demand another man to death, explain the extent of crimes, or intent of crimes that you see worthy of death.

that is hard to do............every circumstance is different..........
Rape? Rape of a child? Rape of a defenseless person?

Kill one two three?
How did they die, slow, bloody, or quick.

just too many ways to look.

as far as method.........I would support a similar death the crimes committed........

simplepeddler 05-19-2015 02:14 PM

oh, and that state does not have the death penalty.............but it was a federal crime.
so he will be held at a federal prison

Nickt87 05-19-2015 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 755058)
that is hard to do............every circumstance is different..........
Rape? Rape of a child? Rape of a defenseless person?

Kill one two three?
How did they die, slow, bloody, or quick.

just too many ways to look.

as far as method.........I would support a similar death the crimes committed........

I agree, there are many different scenarios for justification/lack there of. That's why I personally don't feel it should be placed upon a man's shoulders to make that judgment or decision. Especially consistently and fairly.

Nickt87 05-19-2015 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 755059)
oh, and that state does not have the death penalty.............but it was a federal crime.
so he will be held at a federal prison

Correct. But the Jurors were Boston based, and often the jury assists in the sentencing, especially for capital punishment.

FREON 05-19-2015 02:43 PM

I believe in the Death Penalty. I do not believe there should be any such thing as Life without the chance of parole. I think that any crime that warrants this penalty deserves the death penalty instead. Either a crime gets a specific number of years with or without chance of parole or it gets the death penalty.

keakar 05-19-2015 05:30 PM

I never heard of anyone committing another crime after being executed but those serving life in prison live a pretty good life with everything provided for them from prostitutes to sex changes. all while we pay 6 figures a year to pamper them with all their desires short of freedom.

if they want to do life in prison instead of executions then I say it should be chain gang hard labor and sleep on the concrete floor

Goooh 05-19-2015 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by redalertlures (Post 755056)



Rapists should be castrated. Sorry , this is just my honest opinion here.




Have you seen what is being called rape and what's getting people convicted?

Better hope this never happens, turns out now days all it takes is some booze and a regretful slut to claim rape and get a man convicted.

BIGV 05-19-2015 05:44 PM

If you take someone elses life and it was not a accident then I think you deserve the death penalty. By accident I truly mean a accident as in they ran out in front your vehicle and couldn't stop or something like that. If you were drunk and it happened then it was no accident because you committed a crime by drinking before driving.
Sad but true.... only harsh punishment will make people think twice about there actions.

Mako19 05-19-2015 06:31 PM

For all of you that are saying the criminal should not be entitled to an appeals process: have you not seen the hundreds of inmates who have been released after serving 20 years in prison because DNA evidence finally proved them innocent?

Also, you can talk big and bad about not losing a wink of sleep over sentencing someone to be put to death but I would be willing to bet that is not the case after you sit in a courtroom for multiple weeks looking at this human in the eye before being given that responsibility.

All of that being said, I do believe in the death penalty. I just pray that my country never asks me to make that kind of a decision.

duckman1911 05-19-2015 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGV (Post 755103)
If you take someone elses life and it was not a accident then I think you deserve the death penalty. By accident I truly mean a accident as in they ran out in front your vehicle and couldn't stop or something like that. If you were drunk and it happened then it was no accident because you committed a crime by drinking before driving.
Sad but true.... only harsh punishment will make people think twice about there actions.

Partly I agree. Does the fact that you were drinking null and void the fact that they pulled out in front of you. Does the fact that you had too many beers on Friday with the guys make you a murderer even if someone else caused the crash?

tim3516 05-19-2015 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 755101)
Have you seen what is being called rape and what's getting people convicted?

Better hope this never happens, turns out now days all it takes is some booze and a regretful slut to claim rape and get a man convicted.


Agreed. It's a case by case thing repeat offenders obviously not gonna change there ways deserve it. PROVEN PEDOPHILES on the other hand.....


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simplepeddler 05-19-2015 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako19 (Post 755109)
For all of you that are saying the criminal should not be entitled to an appeals process: have you not seen the hundreds of inmates who have been released after serving 20 years in prison because DNA evidence finally proved them innocent?

Also, you can talk big and bad about not losing a wink of sleep over sentencing someone to be put to death but I would be willing to bet that is not the case after you sit in a courtroom for multiple weeks looking at this human in the eye before being given that responsibility.

All of that being said, I do believe in the death penalty. I just pray that my country never asks me to make that kind of a decision.


I can assure you, under the right conditions, I could vote to put someone down and go home and eat a bowl of fruitloops

redalertlures 05-19-2015 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 755101)
Have you seen what is being called rape and what's getting people convicted?

Better hope this never happens, turns out now days all it takes is some booze and a regretful slut to claim rape and get a man convicted.

Very true sir...I should have been more specific...

Serial rapists and especially pedophiles warrant swift deaths...

This topic has really made me think about the death penalty... And I do support its use.

tim3516 05-20-2015 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako19 (Post 755109)
For all of you that are saying the criminal should not be entitled to an appeals process: have you not seen the hundreds of inmates who have been released after serving 20 years in prison because DNA evidence finally proved them innocent?



Also, you can talk big and bad about not losing a wink of sleep over sentencing someone to be put to death but I would be willing to bet that is not the case after you sit in a courtroom for multiple weeks looking at this human in the eye before being given that responsibility.



All of that being said, I do believe in the death penalty. I just pray that my country never asks me to make that kind of a decision.


There is more than one way to look at this and no way is perfect. Yes there have been wrongly accused but it is BECOMING more of a thing of the past.

Would you find Brandon Scott Lavergne worthy of the death penalty?


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DeeCee 05-20-2015 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGV (Post 755103)
If you take someone elses life and it was not a accident then I think you deserve the death penalty. By accident I truly mean a accident as in they ran out in front your vehicle and couldn't stop or something like that. If you were drunk and it happened then it was no accident because you committed a crime by drinking before driving.
Sad but true.... only harsh punishment will make people think twice about there actions.

So, If someone rapes your daughter, and in a fit of rage you beat the suspect to death.....you should be put to death?

If you get in a gun fight with someone, and can't prove self defense. Death to you?

AlexOrtego 05-20-2015 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotLikinisAhabbit (Post 754999)
Leave it dry.



half and half? regardless, the right decision was made. it's just a shame that it didn't take place the same day

BIGV 05-20-2015 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeeCee (Post 755163)
So, If someone rapes your daughter, and in a fit of rage you beat the suspect to death.....you should be put to death?

If you get in a gun fight with someone, and can't prove self defense. Death to you?

That means the death penalty has already been served. Did you commit a crime? NO, you protected your life or anothers. Got to love folks that make things complicated simply because its easy to do so.

BIGV 05-20-2015 10:33 AM

What I am trying to say is that if you are the one that commits the crime worthy of death then you should get it. I am not saying that if you kill someone because you needed to do so that you are wrong and should be sentenced to death. Of course this is just my personal opinion and everyone will see it in diffrent ways that make things a little hard to agree upon. I think we can mostly all agree that the death penalty is useful in its right.

Goooh 05-20-2015 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGV (Post 755192)
What I am trying to say is that if you are the one that commits the crime worthy of death then you should get it. I am not saying that if you kill someone because you needed to do so that you are wrong and should be sentenced to death. Of course this is just my personal opinion and everyone will see it in diffrent ways that make things a little hard to agree upon. I think we can mostly all agree that the death penalty is useful in its right.


The key point you leave out is the trial that will take place to figure out if what you did in self defense was actually that, your fate lies in the hands of the jury, the judge, and how good your lawyer is compared to the other side...

If God were on panel and had ultimate say so then it would be cut and dry, innocent people die because of subjective opinions, etc... That sucks and is a blem of humanity

4fish 05-20-2015 11:20 AM

what about John 8:7

Nickt87 05-20-2015 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4fish (Post 755196)
what about John 8:7

I originally refrained from using bible verses and wanted to leave Christian as the only statement on my choice. I did not want to start a who is right or wrong battle, just wanted to hear some opinions and why.

I see where you are coming from and I see James 2:13, Matthew 7:2, Matthew 6:14-15, and Luke 6:37 as leading references on why I choose not to support the death penalty. Curious to hear the pro-death supporters' legitimate reasoning on why they believe in the death penalty, it is a very intense subject that I'm sure has strong beliefs/reasoning's on both sides.

I would be interested to hear responses with some form of reasoning behind them, whether for it or against it.

Goooh 05-20-2015 01:09 PM

The neat thing about the bible is you can find verses that support killing, and verses that denounce it.

You can pick what fits your argument

4fish 05-20-2015 01:49 PM

I think someone would be pretty hard pressed to find in scripture, any where in the bible, that Jesus supported killing. For non Christians yes there is plenty of scripture to justify killing. You are 100% correct about that.

Goooh 05-20-2015 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4fish (Post 755209)
I think someone would be pretty hard pressed to find in scripture, any where in the bible, that Jesus supported killing. For non Christians yes there is plenty of scripture to justify killing. You are 100% correct about that.


Not sure what that means, but it looks like a choice has been made to not look to the Old Testament.

AubreyLaHaye458 05-20-2015 02:12 PM

An eye for an eye.


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Nickt87 05-20-2015 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 755204)
The neat thing about the bible is you can find verses that support killing, and verses that denounce it.

You can pick what fits your argument

Absolutley, but as a Christian the cornerstone belief is Jesus Christ the Messiah, Everlasting Life, and Salvation. I will leave the life or death decision to higher power and when the time comes to stand in front of God I won't have the burden of taking action or choice in pre-meditated murder, no matter the situation. God knows I have enough other issues we're going to have to talk about up there.

Andy C 05-20-2015 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 755212)
Absolutley, but as a Christian the cornerstone belief is Jesus Christ the Messiah, Everlasting Life, and Salvation. I will leave the life or death decision to higher power and when the time comes to stand in front of God I won't have the burden of taking action or choice in pre-meditated murder, no matter the situation. God knows I have enough other issues we're going to have to talk about up there.

Do you own a firearm??
As stated above would you use said firearm to provide or protect your family if the need ever came up??

Andy C 05-20-2015 03:16 PM

Me personally would not have any regret doing so.
Thank of all the families that would kill him or anyone they didn't kill, if he was out of jail.

Should of just turned him lose to the hands of the families !!
Just my opinion.

Nickt87 05-20-2015 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy C (Post 755214)
Do you own a firearm??
As stated above would you use said firearm to provide or protect your family if the need ever came up??

Yep, and I believe in self defense. I don't believe in judging someone so harshly to the extent of execution. Read the original post.

Andy C 05-20-2015 04:57 PM

What about there families they don't matter or get closer??You answered your own question. Your for the death penalty!! As long as it's something some one did to your family.

Nickt87 05-20-2015 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy C (Post 755227)
What about there families they don't matter or get closer??You answered your own question. Your for the death penalty!! As long as it's something some one did to your family.

Not only my family but the public as well. Defense is defense. When a person is locked up and unable to harm another then you are no longer defending, you are murdering. Big difference. Read original post again. And move on.

Andy C 05-20-2015 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 755251)
Not only my family but the public as well. Defense is defense. When a person is locked up and unable to harm another then you are no longer defending, you are murdering. Big difference. Read original post again. And move on.

To what end?? Do you have any idea how much of your tax money gos into each inmate every day (after court)?

If we would do it more, the jails would not be over booked, cause people would not want to do wrong!!

I am not saying not to give them,5-10 years to prove they had a bad lawyer or that they are truly not gilty. But how many mouths can we keep feeding ?

Goooh 05-21-2015 06:12 AM

Death Penalty, What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy C (Post 755297)
To what end?? Do you have any idea how much of your tax money gos into each inmate every day (after court)?



If we would do it more, the jails would not be over booked, cause people would not want to do wrong!!



I am not saying not to give them,5-10 years to prove they had a bad lawyer or that they are truly not gilty. But how many mouths can we keep feeding ?


Jails are overbooked with dealers and users who shouldn't be in there anyway, not people who need to die.

In addition, privatized prisons for profit also contribute to the amount of inmates - you think a prison based on profit cares about how much of your tax dollars are spent on housing inmates over long periods? Dealers get stiffer penalties than child molesters most of the time, any chance that's because they are also easier to catch and chunk in the clink?$$$

jbert22 05-21-2015 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 755306)
Jails are overbooked with dealers and users who shouldn't be in there anyway, not people who need to die.

In addition, privatized prisons for profit also contribute to the amount of inmates - you think a prison based on profit cares about how much of your tax dollars are spent on housing inmates over long periods? Dealers get stiffer penalties than child molesters most of the time, any chance that's because they are also easier to catch and chunk in the clink?$$$

So drug dealers and users should not be sent to prison? Please explain?

Goooh 05-21-2015 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbert22 (Post 755312)
So drug dealers and users should not be sent to prison? Please explain?


You think drugs that are less harmful than alcohol should be illegal and punishable by imprisonment?

tim3516 05-21-2015 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 755251)
Not only my family but the public as well. Defense is defense. When a person is locked up and unable to harm another then you are no longer defending, you are murdering. Big difference. Read original post again. And move on.


I know it's not all of them but what about the ones sentenced to life without parole who do nothing but wreak have by stabbing others or assaulting guards? What good is it to keep wasting money on them?


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