Concealed Weapon Permit
 

Got my class done today! Now I have to head to BR Monday and do the fingerprinting and the rest of the paperwork at the State Troopers Headquarters. I really enjoyed the class. It was very informative. Now I need to find a good holster. What do you guys use or recommend? There was a guy in the class today that was doing his renewal and recommended the Crossbreed Supertuck.

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I use a hybrid holster from Wright Leather Works for my XDS and a cheap De Santis pocket holster for my bodyguard .380.

http://www.wrightleatherworks.com/co...hybrid-holster

http://www.desantisholster.com/THE-NEMESIS

there are 1000s out there. I have 4 different ones I use. inside pants holster, out side pants, each a leather one as well a heavy duty nylon (not that cheap flimsy crap)

http://www.wrightleatherworks.com




Get a good one that you are comfortable with!

And thank you for being pro active!!!

I use the Crossbreed Appendix model. It takes a lot of trial and error to find the one that is comfortable enough to use all day, every day. Most people I know including myself have a drawer full of holsters we tried before finding the right one.

Alien Gear, same as most of the other kydex holsters, half the price. And yes, if you're smart, you'll alter the holster to fit you.
http://aliengearholsters.com/
If you're worried about your carry weapon staying pristine looking, put it on a shelf and get another gun. Pretty does not protect you, functional does. And ALWAYS remember, the deadliest weapon you carry is your BRAIN, use it!
The secret to carrying forever is a comfortable belt. If you try using the WalMart specials, you will cease carrying because it's too uncomfortable.
I order my belts from Wilderness. They are reinforced tactical belts made for concealed carry.
http://www.thewilderness.com/tactical-belts/
I have worn the Original Instructor belt for over 15 years. I still have and use the first one I ever bought, that's how good they are.
For the first 6 months, you will think EVERYONE is looking at you and can see your weapon. Truth is that the sheeple are so clueless, they wouldn't see your weapon if it fell out of your holster. Going to a public bathroom is another adventure, I try to avoid the public restrooms for the squatting.
I am involved in our Church Security also. I wear that Wilderness Instructor belt with a full size S&W M&P 40, a double mag holder, tactical flashlight, handcuffs, radio, and my cell phone. I won't say I don't notice the weight, but it would be impossible with a plain leather belt. We train year round in the Church and at the range. When we train, we wear ALL equipment we patrol with.
Find a GOOD tactical class and go. You will learn volumes. We, as a Church Security Team are lucky enough to have a few SWAT team members and tactical experts in our Church. Their instruction is invaluable. Some folks remain unarmed even though they carry a gun! PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE! You don't need to shoot to practice. Empty your weapon and then make absolutely sure it's empty again. Practice drawing from concealment, it's harder than you think. If you have never been in a firefight, your brain will shut down and all you can rely on is muscle memory. If you have not practiced, you're screwed.
Get yourself some good Concealed Carry insurance. I use CCW SAFE.
http://ccwsafe.com/
If you are involved in ANY shooting, you will go bankrupt protecting yourself, even though it's a good shooting.
You are at the beginning of a long learning experience, enjoy it. And always remember, with great power comes great responsibility.
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Out of curiosity, is the entire congregation aware of the "Church Security Team" or is it kept secret? Not jabbing or anything just curious. Part of me thinks it would be better as a secret but then again I could see where it would be better to known. I'm guessing the congregation is aware of it and that y'all are strategically seated to better optimize impact in case a situation arises.

Shawn, the law states that the Pastor must announce or place in the bulletin once a year, that we have an armed security team. My best guess would be that about 25% know, the other 75% never even thought that far. We are as discreet as possible. We all carry concealed and check each other for printing. Only way to know if someone is on the Security team is if they wear one of those Surveillance earpieces, and those are clear, vey hard to see. We stay as inconspicuous as possible. We have 5-7 on duty every service. They are strategically placed.
The few folks that finally realize we have a team are very pleased. We stay in contact with ALL the children's ministries by radio and have a member near that location.
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I asked mainly because that has been the topic of discussion lately in my lunch group at work, specifically churches. It'd be a perfect place for a Muslim attack due to the typical building design(few exits) and typically no one would be armed. With that being said what is the law as far as CC in a church. Is it legal for an individual to CC in a church with out the pastor announcing it or bulletin?

To CC in church, there are several facets of the law to fulfill:
1. The announcement that there is an armed security team must be either announced by the Pastor or it must be placed in the bulletin.
2. The carrier must have a valid CC permit.
3. The carrier must attend tactical training every year a minimum of 8 hours.

If an individual does not fulfill any of those requirements, including that eight hours of training, they cannot legally have a concealed weapon in a church. Just because you have a concealed carry permit, there are still restrictions in place. There's limitations about where you can carry that weapon.
We discourage individuals that are not on the security team from carrying in our church. We like to know who is armed and who is not armed. And we find a surprising number of carriers that do not know the law.

The bigger problem for churches now is called "due diligence". With the attacks against churches in this country, church leadership can no longer claim they had no idea violence was possible in THEIR church. If an incident happens, and it can be a child incident, a spousal incident, anything, the victim can and usually will sue the Church for not protecting them. A blind man can see we have a problem with violence in church, why did they do nothing? Churches must practice due diligence. That kind of suit will bankrupt a church and destroy the membership. It's much cheaper to form a security team than to do nothing. At least the church attempted to prevent the incident.
I have set up security teams for 6 churches, written their SOP, guided them through tactical strategies for their particular church. It's 10 times more popular than the public thinks.

Very well written and excellent points.
Kydex is cheap, functional and effective. An all day everyday gun will go through hell. Sweat, lint and scrathes. Take care of it but don't stress out about keeping it pretty. It is a tool not a show piece. Practice as often as you can. Me personally I'm not a big fan of multiple guns in multiple carry positions. I carry a full size 45 during the cool months and a G23 when its hot but always in the same place. Find a system you like and practice practice practice. As stated earlier your best weapon is your brain but you want to build muscle memory also. Your hand knows where your gun is. Sime uspsa courses would be fun and teach you a lot about your weapon system.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. You can't miss fast enough to win.

We have a team also. We have 4 uniformed security guards and 8 CC security team members scattered around the church during services. We try to have 1 CC team member near each of our 6 doors entering the church auditorium. The uniformed officers are stationed at the doors entering the building from the outside. Like Cajun Christian mentioned, we do 8 hours of tactical training per year and practice year round. Just a guess but I doubt that no more than 10% of the 2000 that are there on any given Sunday are aware of the identity of the CC security team members. Train hard and stay safe!!! And Duckman is exactly right, when you train --slow is smooth and smooth is fast!

Yep bro. Have seen many people try to make the hits happen fast. I have been guilty of this myself. Shoot to your ability to make good hits. The speed will come on it's own.

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I seldom comment on a topic like this, but what you have done with your church and other churches goes way beyond what the average person would do for there community.

Thank You ..... and your other security team members.

Thank You. I have set up Church Security Teams for the past 15 years , I enjoy it, I enjoy sharing it. We actually have 3 medical doctors on our Safety and Security Team, that title also helps make it more palatable to Church Elders that see no need for a team as such. Our medical personnel do not carry.
My first statement to a Church member wanting to join the security team is, "if you are not willing to give your life to protect our congregation and children, this may not be the ministry for you".
As for the congregation noticing the Security Team, the majority are clueless.
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Did mine 4 days ago. Didn't have to drive to baton rouge. Just did mine at the local sheriff's office. Mailing stuff in tomorrow.

What do you do when you suspect someone is carrying, not a suspect but a regular member or reg joe blow? ask them to leave?

No. We call another team member to assist. That team member is assigned to discreetly record the conversation with his phone. That is our SOP when any team member has interaction with church members, we record EVERYTHING. We ask the person if we can talk privately. We make them aware of the law and ask them not to carry in church, for their safety, as it could become very confusing if something happens. We have not had an unpleasant interaction yet. Our Pastor has given us the authority to ask them to leave if they refuse to comply with the law.
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I understand the law but you ask a person to not carry for their own safety? I don't understand that. I carry for my own safety. I don't trust anyone else to do the job for me or my family. I understand the church has policies and maybe that's why I don't go to any? You and your team are probably very good shooters and if so shouldn't they know who the bad guy is?

Not sure what Cajun C meant and don't want to speak for him but I do know that if something happened in a church and someone with a CCL was involved and he didn't attend the required 8 hour course he would be in trouble. Maybe that's what he meant by "for their safety".

The problem is not the security team knowing who the bad guy is . It's the member who is illegally carrying at church not knowing who all is on the security team. SHTF and all that guy sees is weapons he doesn't know good from Bad.

Very true. If something happens its important to know who the good guys are. We try to get together on a fairly regular basis so we all know each other and where we are positioned in the building.

Valid point. Maybe a meeting with the pastor and security team would be advised? Open carry and it's not illegal unless you are asked to leave and refuse. I mean what church would ask a law abiding man to leave a house of God? Surely no Christian would do that.

If you are going to be in Baton Rouge, we are only a couple miles from LSP headquarters and have custom kydex holsters made locally. We might have one in stock for you gun, but if not we can ship it to you. My store is Ferrara Firearms and the address is 1543 Delplaza dr, Suite 2, Baton Rouge, LA 70815. If you have trouble finding us you can call 225-224-2444

Yeah, you don't have to go to BR. The instructors told us that if you do take your stuff to the State Troopers Headquarters in BR, it gets done much faster than mailing it or doing it online.

Awesome man. I'll swing by for sure. I'll give you a call before I go. It won't be this week for sure though. My wife is pregnant and was due this past Friday. We are scheduled to induce Tuesday morning so I won't be able to head that way until later next week sometime.

CC and OC is illegal in a church unless you have permission from the head honcho.
reverend , pastor , priest etc,

I tried to do business w/ your place last year . had a cabinet full of 22 ammo but i couldn't buy any unless i bought a weapon from you.
You lost me and mine for that one.

:shaking:

BOOOOOO

It is faster and if you get prints done at another site and they send them in and one print is bad it gets kicked back to be redone. if you go to LSP and get printed they can make sure its all good before you leave.

the last time I had to get mine took over 5 months mailing it in. Not sure how much quicker walking it in would be, was told its just simply due to back logged

try 30 - 40 days

According to those instructors, they have herd it done in a little as two weeks. But they also said not to expect that because of the recent Lafayette theatre shooting that there has been a big spike in people getting their permits.

I did mine at LSP headquarters and received it in two weeks. I was shocked.

You really didn't read what I wrote did you? Meet with pastor and security team. Pretty straight forward.
Only breaking the law if asked to leave and refuse. If not asked to leave it would be resoanable to say you have permission wouldn't you think?

Biggest thread derailment in a while

Dog: That's one facet of the problem. The other facet is that when you are attempting to stop an active shooter, you know your team members, some John Wayne stands up with a gun, he immediately becomes the target. The same way when SWAT shows up during a search for a shooter. We, as a Security Team KNOW we will be put on the ground. To SWAT, anyone with a gun is a perp and will kiss the carpet and get cuffed.
Our job is to stop the shooting ONLY. It is not our job to apprehend anyone. We are basically trying to corner the perp where he can take no lives while the church is evacuated. That's why we practice so much in our church. We need to know every crack and crevice and how to clear the rooms that make up the maze. If we can apprehend, great, it not, reduce his body count.
Say what anyone wants, if you show up at our church with open carry, you will be asked to either put your gun in the car, if you refuse, you will be asked to leave, it's not up for debate. If you show up CC and we discover it and you are not on the team, same thing. If that offends you, well you are just offended. We have rules and laws, our church is PRIVATE PROPERTY, we have a right to say who can and cannot carry weapons inside, just like any other business.
AND, you walk in breaking the law and want us to ignore it, even though it can get you or someone else killed.
That is and always has been a hot topic when I train Churches. A Pastor does a great disservice to his security team if he allows non-team members to carry in church.

WOW!!

good deal!! They must have hired someone to help out

And the church is perfectly within their rights to ask someone to disarm or leave. I didn't read where anyone disagreed with that. It's private property and anyone can be asked to leave for any reason. Churches being gun free is one of the many reasons I don't attend one.

I can understand Cajuns point here. Id say 90%+ of CC holders are immensely under trained for the power they posses. In a church, theater or where ever trying to be a hero will get you killed. Hiding and eluding is surviving, as well is situational awareness. Call me paranoid, but I watch everyone like a hawk, I NEVER let anyone on my back side, and my weapon side is always away from people. Even at wally world in line at check out, I stand sideways, back against the isle.

I intentionally avoid places I can not carry. I have only been asked once about my CC in a public place. I was actually surprised, because my carry is rather very concealed, Another patron caught a glimps of my CC when we were being seated to eat. Funny thing about it was they waited to say something to the management until after they were finished eating and were leaving. :rolleyes:

I have found that "GUN FREE ZONES" are indeed a sweet spot for most of the low life cowards, hard to dispute that. I avoid gun free zones, part of my daily staying alive protocol so to speak. There are bad people out there, and you have no clue who they are.

Marty, EXACTLY.
I have been a very involved church member for 20 years now, I have heard every excuse on earth as to why someone does not attend church. Excuses abound, sound reasons...not so much. If someone does not want to attend a church, they will find an excuse, I know, I did the same thing for 30 years, didn't like the music, church folks are all hypocrites, all the church wants is my money, I've used them and heard them all. Then God and I had an unexpected talk. Only way to change something is from the inside. Stop making excuses and start making a difference.

To the op, keep us posted on how long it takes you to get your permit. I am up for renewal AGAIN in a very few months. Sorry about hijacking your thread. Don't know what piece you carry, but, alien gear has a heck of a deal right now, 2 holsters for $49

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Perfectly stated.

Guys, i got all the info and opinions i need, so thanks. Please don't stop the thread though. I fell like this is a good discussion without all the bs and name calling. Lets keep it going.

That's the great thing about this site, most seem to be friendly, mature folks. A refreshing change. I moderate on a few boat and motor sites, they get a bit frisky sometimes. I have a very good saying about that:
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While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

Glock 23 when it's hot. 1911 or XD tactical when the weather is cool.

I carry a full size S&W, M&P, 40. 15 rounds of FMJ hollow points in the mag and 1 in the chamber. When on Security detail, I carry a 2 mag holder with 1 mag loaded with FMJ Hollow Points and the other with FMJ solid ammo.
According to our church policy, we allow our security team to carry nothing but FMJ hollow points. We are considering frags only. When asked why I carry 46 rounds of ammo, my answer is usually, because 400 would be too heavy.
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I pocket carry a 380 in a pocket holster....

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand each point made when it comes to the whole church carry issue. The law is the law I guess. I can't help but feel like that particular train of thought closely resembles want the government is already trying to do to us. "It is ok for me to carry here but not you." Anyone who believes in the right to bare arms should welcome all legal permitted persons to carry in their church. Honestly, I would have a huge problem being asked to remove my firearm are leave by some random Joe blow. That is something I would have to hear directly from the pastor/priest/etc.

I own two pistols chambered in 9mm now, I'd likely look into the another 9mm. The Beretta Nano seemed like a good fit but haven't put my hands on one yet. I guess I need to go to a shop and check a few out.