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duckman1911 08-24-2015 06:43 PM

Private Drones and your Opinion.
 
Read a story last week of a guy in Kentucky that was arrested for shooting down a privately owned drone. Destruction of property. The drone was hovering over his deck while his daughter (16) was sunbathing by the pool. The drone from what I read was taking pics and video of the neighbors property with permission to do so. I don't blame the guy for what he did at all. I would have done the same. I don't think he would have done the same if he had known what was going on.
My question is at what height do you feel you can defend your property? Naturally you can't be shooting at every helo that flies over but when you see a drone hovering in your backyard that brings up questions. Just curious as to others thoughts.

keakar 08-24-2015 06:49 PM

I say if its within shotgun range, and its within the borders of your property, then its free game.

airspace above your own property should be within your rights to defend it from outside invasions of any type of spy equipt from private or government sources.

I also contend that property is only something which you possess and a flying drone, once released, is no longer in your possession simply because it is within your control so therefore there can and should be no basis for destruction of property such as a car or boat because the drone can invade other property and is not attached to the ground or any surface.

want to keep your drone free from damage and safe, then keep it out of other peoples yards

duckman1911 08-24-2015 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keakar (Post 770160)
I say if its within shotgun range, and its within the borders of your property, then its free game.

airspace above your own property should be within your rights to defend it from outside invasions of any type of spy equipt from private or government sources.

I also contend that property is only something which you possess and a flying drone, once released, is no longer in your possession simply because it is within your control so therefore there can and should be no basis for destruction of property such as a car or boat because the drone can invade other property and is not attached to the ground or any surface.

want to keep your drone free from damage and safe, then keep it out of other peoples yards

Good point and pretty much my thoughts. Of my neighbor is selling and want airiel footage that's cool even if they need an angle from my property. As long as I know what's going on. I would also want the pilots name and number. To just walk outside and see something hovering on your backyard not so much. That's just weird to me.

irokcj5 08-24-2015 08:57 PM

I don't know why the operators of drones don't get arrested for trespassing and possibly peeping tom charges.

jopete 08-24-2015 08:58 PM

if u want to fly a drone, good for you.

i will treat it just like i do people that set up too close to me duck hunting...

shoot at it till it goes away. lol

duckman1911 08-24-2015 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jopete (Post 770176)
if u want to fly a drone, good for you.

i will treat it just like i do people that set up too close to me duck hunting...

shoot at it till it goes away. lol

I like the way you think.

B-Stealth 08-24-2015 11:23 PM

Man it would be fun to send a drone across the marsh opening day; gonna have to keep it around 100yards to evade the 3.5" Black Cloud pattern master, super kicker guys.

Or just buzz the decoys like a GWT.

C-Bass2mouth 08-25-2015 06:50 AM

I heard they opened a "season" on drones in CO...

Goggleeye11 08-25-2015 06:58 AM

If the courts back up landowners that claim ownership of natural bayous, I'm going to claim ownership of the air above my property as high as my 12 gauge can do damage.

simplepeddler 08-25-2015 09:09 AM

lot's of profit here for lawyers

duckman1911 08-25-2015 11:47 AM

It's just an all around creepy thought. Whether it's a thief using to scope out your place ot some perv hoping to get a look at your daughter or wife in her bikini it's just creepy. I believe it would be time for some aerial target practice.

elebouef 08-25-2015 11:49 AM

Sure wish I would live in some of your neighborhoods. I could use a new quadcopter after you shoot it down and after you get out of jail. Check what kind of offense it is to shoot one out of the sky.
And BTW, has any of you taken time to look at a picture or a video that was taken from a recreation quadcopter? The camera is so wide angle that you can't even make out the faces.
But just keep on being bad and actually shoot one and see what happens to you.:rolleyes:

duckman1911 08-25-2015 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770236)
Sure wish I would live in some of your neighborhoods. I could use a new quadcopter after you shoot it down and after you get out of jail. Check what kind of offense it is to shoot one out of the sky.
And BTW, has any of you taken time to look at a picture or a video that was taken from a recreation quadcopter? The camera is so wide angle that you can't even make out the faces.
But just keep on being bad and actually shoot one and see what happens to you.:rolleyes:

I think you misread a lot. Nobody is talking taking shots at everything that passes by. Obviously you like them and that's cool but you also have to respect other people's privacy. Or at least I hope you would. You'd be ok going outside and seeing one hovering in your backyard and checking out your place? The only people that would fly on others property without permission would be a thief or a perv. Either way if your little toy is in my yard it goes down. You can call it being bad. I call it protecting my family from a weirdo creep.

neverenuf 08-25-2015 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770236)
Sure wish I would live in some of your neighborhoods. I could use a new quadcopter after you shoot it down and after you get out of jail. Check what kind of offense it is to shoot one out of the sky.
And BTW, has any of you taken time to look at a picture or a video that was taken from a recreation quadcopter? The camera is so wide angle that you can't even make out the faces.
But just keep on being bad and actually shoot one and see what happens to you.:rolleyes:


Not true. Recreational quadcopters now can carry full size digital cameras. I put a GoPro on one of my RC planes and can take amazing high quality pics of just about anything I can fly over. I don't fly over people's homes though, just do it over my jobsites.

I don't blame the dude for blasting it out of the sky for taking photos of his daughter.

duckman1911 08-25-2015 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 770246)
I think you misread a lot. Nobody is talking taking shots at everything that passes by. Obviously you like them and that's cool but you also have to respect other people's privacy. Or at least I hope you would. You'd be ok going outside and seeing one hovering in your backyard and checking out your place? The only people that would fly on others property without permission would be a thief or a perv. Either way if your little toy is in my yard it goes down. You can call it being bad. I call it protecting my family from a weirdo creep.

Through your own admission you are a weirdo creep with no respect for other's private property or privacy. Why else would you want the chance to fly over our property? I feel bad for your neighborhood.

fishfighter 08-25-2015 01:24 PM

defense
 
they guy that shot the drone needs a cheap lawyer and this video and he is off the hook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI--wFfipvA

duckman1911 08-25-2015 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishfighter (Post 770254)
they guy that shot the drone needs a cheap lawyer and this video and he is off the hook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI--wFfipvA

Yeah I'm sure we don't want that flying around the neighborhood. I guess we are just supposed to trust the pilot though.

elebouef 08-25-2015 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 770250)
Through your own admission you are a weirdo creep with no respect for other's private property or privacy. Why else would you want the chance to fly over our property? I feel bad for your neighborhood.

I am glad you don't live in my neighborhood with your choice of words and you being able to judge.. Name calling is your only answer. Maybe you should spend more time reading the bible than on the internet.

elebouef 08-25-2015 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishfighter (Post 770254)
they guy that shot the drone needs a cheap lawyer and this video and he is off the hook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI--wFfipvA

But that is not a store bought quadcopter. It is a specialty built quad. You can't go to your local HS and buy that. :)

duckman1911 08-25-2015 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770273)
I am glad you don't live in my neighborhood with your choice of words and you being able to judge.. Name calling is your only answer. Maybe you should spend more time reading the bible than on the internet.

This from the person that wants the chance to use his toy to spy on others property. Man you really got me ;)

elebouef 08-25-2015 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 770276)
This from the person that wants the chance to use his toy to spy on others property. Man you really got me ;)

Who said that I wanted to spy on others property? Most of the time I don't even have my camera on my quad.
Also what do you have to hide? The ones who usually cried about that has something to hide and are paranoid. Of course I know you will say that you have nothing to hide. :)

duckman1911 08-25-2015 02:46 PM

I mean really what reason would a person have to fly over another persons property with one of those other than just spying?

elebouef 08-25-2015 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 770278)
I mean really what reason would a person have to fly over another persons property with one of those other than just spying?

If you have nothing to hide how can it be spying?

duckman1911 08-25-2015 02:48 PM

No matter if someone is hiding something or not you shouldn't be on their property. I have nothing to hide. Hell I'll even F my wife on the patio so you get a better video. Don't want the windo getting in the way :)

elebouef 08-25-2015 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 770280)
No matter if someone is hiding something or not you shouldn't be on their property. I have nothing to hide. Hell I'll even F my wife on the patio so you get a better video. Don't want the windo getting in the way :)

Well since you put it that way, maybe you do have something to hide. But I sure wouldn't want to see you and your wife on video.

duckman1911 08-25-2015 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770283)
Well since you put it that way, maybe you do have something to hide. But I sure wouldn't want to see you and your wife on video.

Aww yeah she's a good looking blonde. Be sure and swing around to the end of the patio at the end. Wouldn't want to miss the money shot. Just email me a copy.

duckman1911 08-25-2015 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770279)
If you have nothing to hide how can it be spying?

So it's cool if we sit outside and watch your woman through the window while she showers. As long as there's nothing to hide it's not spying right?

duckman1911 08-25-2015 06:05 PM

Shoot down the drone. By the time police arrive the drone will be gone. No evidence. He could prove it if he was live steaming to an external server or hard drive but would have to show the cops to prove it. I bet that would make for some interesting questions in court. Let's see. Sir why do you video people and their property without their knowledge or permission and stream it to an external, personal server?
I hear Subway has an opening for a new spokes person. E maybe you should apply. Seems you would fit in well ;)

keakar 08-25-2015 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 770285)
So it's cool if we sit outside and watch your woman through the window while she showers. As long as there's nothing to hide it's not spying right?

exactly!

there are those who use drones for perfectly respectable purposes but for every person doing the right thing there are 9 others ready and willing to use them just for pure invasion of your privacy just because they can.

I don't know why E feels the way he does but I have to think he sides with those who spy on people because he likes the idea of being able to spy on others.

I remember those fighting robots they used to show on TV, maybe that's the solution, a drone killing drone that goes up there and destroys their spy toys.

using their own logic of THEY aren't spying, the drone is, so if your drone destroys theirs, YOU didn't do anything so YOU aren't responsible for their drones destruction, it was another drone that did it lol.

duckman1911 08-25-2015 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keakar (Post 770315)
exactly!

there are those who use drones for perfectly respectable purposes but for every person doing the right thing there are 9 others ready and willing to use them just for pure invasion of your privacy just because they can.

I don't know why E feels the way he does but I have to think he sides with those who spy on people because he likes the idea of being able to spy on others.

I remember those fighting robots they used to show on TV, maybe that's the solution, a drone killing drone that goes up there and destroys their spy toys.

using their own logic of THEY aren't spying, the drone is, so if your drone destroys theirs, YOU didn't do anything so YOU aren't responsible for their drones destruction, it was another drone that did it lol.

I think we lost him.lol
I think they are cool and have lots of uses. Fishing vids, getting a good view of your new lease or a great view of your property. I think it's wrong to willfully fly onto another persons property. Yeah you can say you don't video or take pics but should I trust you? I just worry when someone openly says it's no prob unless you're hiding something. When did it become their job to make sure I wasn't hiding something? Your toy is in my yard you will loose it period. Call the cops and wait because I promise you that you don't want to come visit me while youre pissed and combative.

keakar 08-25-2015 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 770322)
I think we lost him.lol
I think they are cool and have lots of uses. Fishing vids, getting a good view of your new lease or a great view of your property. I think it's wrong to willfully fly onto another persons property. Yeah you can say you don't video or take pics but should I trust you? I just worry when someone openly says it's no prob unless you're hiding something. When did it become their job to make sure I wasn't hiding something? Your toy is in my yard you will loose it period. Call the cops and wait because I promise you that you don't want to come visit me while youre pissed and combative.

yep, I think he realized just how stupid his position was.

what gets me is if its in my yard then I own it as far as I am concerned. if it breaks and lands in my yard, it belongs to me, if a bird craps on it or "anything" happens to it (even lead poisoning lol) then its mine. so after I shoot it down, if it lands in my yard, then it was on my property, and therefore I own it, and I just shot something that belongs to me, so this idea that he proposes that they can fly a drone over my yard as much as they like and I cant shoot it down is pure BS in my book. I will shoot it down 100 times in a row and would love to go to court to defend my property and privacy rights over the rights of a drone operating peeping tom.

I apply the burglar rule, you can shoot a burglar as long as he falls dead inside the house (I only shoot to kill and don't stop until I put 3 on target) so by the same token I will shoot down any drone as long as it will fall in my yard, if there is a question about where it will land then its questionable if its truly over my yard so I wont shoot.

elebouef 08-25-2015 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 770310)
Shoot down the drone. By the time police arrive the drone will be gone. No evidence. He could prove it if he was live steaming to an external server or hard drive but would have to show the cops to prove it. I bet that would make for some interesting questions in court. Let's see. Sir why do you video people and their property without their knowledge or permission and stream it to an external, personal server?
I hear Subway has an opening for a new spokes person. E maybe you should apply. Seems you would fit in well ;)

Seems funny that you are mentioning having someone film your wife and you having sex, which refers to porn and then you have the Subway guy on your mind, Maybe that is why you are worrying about a poor lil quadcopter flying around your neighborhood.
You are the one who brought up some valid points on why you don't like quads. Of course with what you have on your mind I guess I would not want them either.
You can make up every excuse you want but it now seems like you have something to hid, so go ahead and shoot one down and see who comes on here and posts that he needs a lawyer. But you and your friend know everything. HAve at it but no I don't want to film your wife.:*****:

duckman1911 08-25-2015 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770334)
Seems funny that you are mentioning having someone film your wife and you having sex, which refers to porn and then you have the Subway guy on your mind, Maybe that is why you are worrying about a poor lil quadcopter flying around your neighborhood.
You are the one who brought up some valid points on why you don't like quads. Of course with what you have on your mind I guess I would not want them either.
You can make up every excuse you want but it now seems like you have something to hid, so go ahead and shoot one down and see who comes on here and posts that he needs a lawyer. But you and your friend know everything. HAve at it but no I don't want to film your wife.:*****:

Well if you gona fly it I don't want to waste yoyr fuel, batteries or whatever they run on. Again reading comprehendtion isn't your strong suite. I believe the arguement of private property has been made to you several times. Yet your response is always (shoot it and see what happens) or (if you have nothing to hide don't worry). You however seem to fully support the idea of using your toy to spy on people's property and lives. Using just this thread I'll win in court.Thinking of buying a drone. Could you reccommend a camera. I want good quality stuff.

duckman1911 08-25-2015 09:43 PM

Nothing to hide bro. I guess i'll be smart and just agree to disagree before I say something I shouldn't.

bjhooper82 08-25-2015 11:58 PM

Even if someone does have something to hide, it's not your damn business to fly your toy over their property and take pics without permission!!

Duffy.yyz 08-26-2015 07:05 AM

Yeah, I would shoot it down in a heart beat..

Sightwindow 08-26-2015 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 770217)
lot's of profit here for lawyers

I'd love to be a lawyer for these guys. Kinda like being a bookie for them, cash money win or lose.

cajun bill 08-26-2015 08:05 AM

Back "in the day" I used to make my living sometimes conducting LEGAL surveillances. The rule we were taught by our attorneys was that according to state and federal law, if something could be seen from a public (or private with permission) place without using any enhancements, it was legal to observe. For instance, if someone had a fence around their property and it was short enough to where a person could see into someone's backyard without using a ladder, it was legal to observe, but if one used a ladder to look over the fence, that was an invasion of privacy because you enhanced your observation. Seems to me that the use of a drone to video or take still pix is a violation of privacy, especially if the drone is over the "airspace" of another property owner. Now, as to the legality of shooting one down, probably not legal, but some type of civil action could be taken or at least one could file a criminal complaint with the popo. Now, having said that, if I happen to see such an object hovering over my property (and it's in range) and it just so happens that I was target practicing at the same time, then .................

duckman1911 08-26-2015 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjhooper82 (Post 770352)
Even if someone does have something to hide, it's not your damn business to fly your toy over their property and take pics without permission!!

Bingo.

simplepeddler 08-26-2015 10:59 AM

I have all kinda stuff to hide..............

southern151 08-26-2015 11:12 AM

You hover over my property, taking video or pics of my teenage(minor/illegal/under my care) daughter, it's gonna come down. I really wouldn't care if I was arrested and, by the time the cops got there, they'd be able to add assault charges to the list, since apparently this little creep had the audacity to confront the father.

elebouef 08-26-2015 01:04 PM

Wow what a bunch of Rambos on here. All this talk about shooting down a quad copter just because it is flying over your property. Might want to check with the FAA if you really own the air space over your property. Well if you live in Texas you do but how about Louisiana? How legal is it to discharge a firearm in your neighborhood? What if the bbs out of your gun hits some one or something else on its way down? Would a judge say well it is ok because he comes from SaltyCajun website and he said that he was going to shoot down a drone, but forgot that some of the bbs hit some one else on their way down?

Also most of you talk about if the government wants your guns, they will have to pry them from your cold dead hands. Well you know you are just typing that to make yourself look good. If a black suburban pulls up in front of your house, you would be handing guns over like you give treats to your dog. But it sounds good when you come on the internet and say no one will take my guns or I will shoot down a drone.

Most of you don't even know a drone is what the government flies over the terrorist to protect your silly ways, so you can come to the internet and say that you would fight the government if they want your guns after it becomes law. A quad copter is what you buy at a HB store and fly around in the neighbor hood.

Just stop a look at yourself how bad you have become because of the internet. :*****:

Next ?

southern151 08-26-2015 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770416)
Wow what a bunch of Rambos on here. All this talk about shooting down a quad copter just because it is flying over your property. Might want to check with the FAA if you really own the air space over your property. Well if you live in Texas you do but how about Louisiana? How legal is it to discharge a firearm in your neighborhood? What if the bbs out of your gun hits some one or something else on its way down? Would a judge say well it is ok because he comes from SaltyCajun website and he said that he was going to shoot down a drone, but forgot that some of the bbs hit some one else on their way down?

Also most of you talk about if the government wants your guns, they will have to pry them from your cold dead hands. Well you know you are just typing that to make yourself look good. If a black suburban pulls up in front of your house, you would be handing guns over like you give treats to your dog. But it sounds good when you come on the internet and say no one will take my guns or I will shoot down a drone.

Most of you don't even know a drone is what the government flies over the terrorist to protect your silly ways, so you can come to the internet and say that you would fight the government if they want your guns after it becomes law. A quad copter is what you buy at a HB store and fly around in the neighbor hood.

Just stop a look at yourself how bad you have become because of the internet. :*****:

Next ?

Are you ever not crying, acting like you know everything, putting someone down or, making some sort of snide comment? Let me answer that for you...no.

Not one post you have made this year hasn't had some negative undertone or rude remark to someone on here. Man, I'm glad my life doesn't suck so bad that I need to take to the interweb to try to make other people as pissed off as you are.

B-Stealth 08-26-2015 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770416)
Wow what a bunch of Rambos on here. All this talk about shooting down a quad copter just because it is flying over your property. Might want to check with the FAA if you really own the air space over your property. Well if you live in Texas you do but how about Louisiana? How legal is it to discharge a firearm in your neighborhood? What if the bbs out of your gun hits some one or something else on its way down? Would a judge say well it is ok because he comes from SaltyCajun website and he said that he was going to shoot down a drone, but forgot that some of the bbs hit some one else on their way down?

Also most of you talk about if the government wants your guns, they will have to pry them from your cold dead hands. Well you know you are just typing that to make yourself look good. If a black suburban pulls up in front of your house, you would be handing guns over like you give treats to your dog. But it sounds good when you come on the internet and say no one will take my guns or I will shoot down a drone.

Most of you don't even know a drone is what the government flies over the terrorist to protect your silly ways, so you can come to the internet and say that you would fight the government if they want your guns after it becomes law. A quad copter is what you buy at a HB store and fly around in the neighbor hood.

Just stop a look at yourself how bad you have become because of the internet. :*****:

Next ?


I don't have a dog in this fight, and I do agree with you about internet *****'s. Maybe you were trolling or playing the devils advocate but your coming across a little creepy. Kinda like that neighbor who never waves and has way too many train sets for an adult.

Andy C 08-26-2015 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770416)
Wow what a bunch of Rambos on here. All this talk about shooting down a quad copter just because it is flying over your property. Might want to check with the FAA if you really own the air space over your property. Well if you live in Texas you do but how about Louisiana? How legal is it to discharge a firearm in your neighborhood? What if the bbs out of your gun hits some one or something else on its way down? Would a judge say well it is ok because he comes from SaltyCajun website and he said that he was going to shoot down a drone, but forgot that some of the bbs hit some one else on their way down?

Also most of you talk about if the government wants your guns, they will have to pry them from your cold dead hands. Well you know you are just typing that to make yourself look good. If a black suburban pulls up in front of your house, you would be handing guns over like you give treats to your dog. But it sounds good when you come on the internet and say no one will take my guns or I will shoot down a drone.

Most of you don't even know a drone is what the government flies over the terrorist to protect your silly ways, so you can come to the internet and say that you would fight the government if they want your guns after it becomes law. A quad copter is what you buy at a HB store and fly around in the neighbor hood.

Just stop a look at yourself how bad you have become because of the internet. :*****:

Next ?


Your a sad sad man!!! Yes i live in tx. But own 80 ac. And a camp in la. I wouldn't blink an eye of shooting your hobby down!! You must live in a place you can't pee without peeing on your n

elebouef 08-26-2015 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southern151 (Post 770418)
Are you ever not crying, acting like you know everything, putting someone down or, making some sort of snide comment? Let me answer that for you...no.

Not one post you have made this year hasn't had some negative undertone or rude remark to someone on here. Man, I'm glad my life doesn't suck so bad that I need to take to the interweb to try to make other people as pissed off as you are.

But isn't the truth?

elebouef 08-26-2015 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy C (Post 770421)
Your a sad sad man!!! Yes i live in tx. But own 80 ac. And a camp in la. I wouldn't blink an eye of shooting your hobby down!! You must live in a place you can't pee without peeing on your n

Maybe it is the other way around. Maybe you are the sad sad man. I wish more people around you would fly quad copters, so you would have to find out the truth the hard way. Of course you are one who will have their guns pried out of your cold dead hands. Yea right. You would be dialing OBAMA to come get them.

elebouef 08-26-2015 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Stealth (Post 770419)
I don't have a dog in this fight, and I do agree with you about internet *****'s. Maybe you were trolling or playing the devils advocate but your coming across a little creepy. Kinda like that neighbor who never waves and has way too many train sets for an adult.

Creepy for telling the truth about committing a felony by shooting something out of the sky. Go ahead we need to read about it on here. :)

Andy C 08-26-2015 01:39 PM

Neighbors fence!! You should not get to vote!! Property rights is about the only thing we have left, you ask if a black subberen pulled up at my house I would see what they wanted and lock the door!! And when they came in shoot them , if they get me that's fine, but not going to give up my rights and jump off the cliff cause all the rest of the sheep did!!! Your out of your mind!!!
You compare military drones to you spying, on private property is Apple's to fish!!

B-Stealth 08-26-2015 01:45 PM

Van Without Windows
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 770425)
Creepy for telling the truth about committing a felony by shooting something out of the sky. Go ahead we need to read about it on here. :)

Lol, so tell me do you dress up like a train conductor when you play with your trains and do you happen to own a van without windows?


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