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Sean Payton says on WWL Radio that the ‪#‎Saints‬ have let Rob Ryan go. Dennis Allen will now serve as defensive coordinator...

Sean Peyton needs to look himself in the mirror. Next head to roll should be Sean Peyton himself. IMO he is solely responsible for the continuous downfall of the Saints. Since the SB win, he started releasing key players year after year. The offense used to be a well oiled machine during that SB year. Today's offense is totally out of sinc. You cannot constantly get rid of offensive players like that, and expect things to continue clicking.

Was it Peyton or GM Loomis who made these decisions?

They may not always make it look pretty but the offense has put up big number this year in most the games but our defense has allowed the other teams to do the same.. glad to see some change

Wasn't Ryan fired from Dallas when N.O. picked him up?

Big numbers? Really? Maybe you should look at the average points per game this year. Except for a couple of games-dismal. The defense is horrible I admit. But lack of offense has also been a problam this year. Breez is killing himself trying to get something going-kind of hard when he doesn't have pass protection.

I can't see Loomis making decisions like that on his own. Peyton could oppose.

Maybe big wasthe wrong word but definitely winning numbers. Average just over 25ppg (#7 in league) which dont seem to bad to me.. but yes I do agree with you that offensive line definitely needs to tighten up and get brees some more time.

LSU loses and everyone Fire Les Miles

Saints Lose and its fire everyone but Sean Peyton

When that defensive linemen got cut a while back and blasted the whole team and aired all the dirty laundry he said some harsh things about Peyton and what's really going on. Many people were up in arms about it and offended, but everyone really knows, where there's smoke there's fire.

Happens to every team unless they named the Patriots.

No. 3 in the league in yards
No. 7 in the league in scoring

It's not a lack of Offense.

#3 in yards means nothing. All that's saying is your team is moving the ball...but dying in the red zone. Or turning the ball over.
All I'm saying is there is both an offensive problem as well as a very apparent defensive one.
I think Saints management is probably in love with Sean Peyton, and that will cloud their judgement.

Rob Ryan's teams when he's Defensive Coordinator since 2004 have a combined win pct of .366 (68-118). His teams finished over 500 once. Rob Ryan is the reason the defense has sucked and the reason the team has sucked.

bye bye santa clause, you never should have been hired, and now your fired, so maybe now this team can have a decent defense. yes the players you have suck, but these are the players YOU wanted and YOU chose to keep, so its on you, not them. im sure most of the defense may be gone now because rob chose to get rid of a solid core of good defensive players to fit HIS defensive scheme which is to hope the other team gets tired of scoring points. so now the rebuilding begins and we have to go out and find good players to replace those ryan didnt want to keep on this team

Sean Peyton is the problem but I hope Yall keep him 10 more years

I love seeing Aints 8-8 or under .500

Plenty of good players on the team, just arent being used right.

If only the Saints can hire the Bears coach when he fired soon.

The Saints are paying more in cap space to defensive players not playing than the starting 11. There was no way to keep offensive players who had huge numbers because they had an elite QB who could drop the ball on their hands even when they were not open. Scoring 25ppg should get you better than a 4-6 record. It is a miracle they won against the giants, and well, the past two weeks have been embarrassing.

Drew will either take a pay cut or will be playing somewhere else next year. Payton isn't a bad coach, he just needs to get a clean slate on defense. Without injury, we have a good offensive line, with a single replacement we could have a great offensive line. I don't see Payton letting an elite defensive coordinator come in and let him select his coaches.

The Saints have had some bad breaks this year, and officiating has been horrendous this year. The NFL just yesterday admitted that the outcome of the Ravens-Jags game was WRONG due to poor officiating. NFL is truly turning into the No Fun League with officials being flag happy for phantom penalties and missing blatant calls.

[QUOTE=kcinnick;779105]The Saints are paying more in cap space to defensive players not playing than the starting 11. There was no way to keep offensive players who had huge numbers because they had an elite QB who could drop the ball on their hands even when they were not open. Scoring 25ppg should get you better than a 4-6 record. It is a miracle they won against the giants, and well, the past two weeks have been embarrassing.

Drew will either take a pay cut or will be playing somewhere else next year. Payton isn't a bad coach, he just needs to get a clean slate on defense. Without injury, we have a good offensive line, with a single replacement we could have a great offensive line. I don't see Payton letting an elite defensive coordinator come in and let him select his coaches.

The Saints have had some bad breaks this year, and officiating has been horrendous this year. The NFL just yesterday admitted that the outcome of the Ravens-Jags game was WRONG due to poor officiating. NFL is truly turning into the No Fun League with officials being flag happy for phantom penalties and missing blatant calls.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that. There's been a bunch of bull**** calls this years. I wouldn't want to attempt to play DB in this league, can't hardly touch a WR without getting a flag and yet The Offense can run rub routes all day and nothing gets called on the offense.

I'm not a Cap Salary Guru... But I've read that the Saints are still on the SC hook for players that they traded,,,, EI, Jimmy Graham, and some D and O lineman...

I thought if U traded or released a player, and is no longer on your team. Salary goes away...

Can someone explain?

Bonus Money can be spread out over multiple years of a contract, if that player is traded or cut the team is still on the hook for the money paid. There are also plenty of other cap scenarios are possible.

as explained above, the "bonus" money that is still owed no matter what, but anything like game checks or production oriented parts in the contract is picked up by the team they are traded to unless the player agrees to restructure a new contract with them to replace the old one.

as i understand it, in the case of a player just being cut, then I think all reporting bonus, bonus being on the team or reporting to training camps on time, and any other form of bonus money is still owed to that player and it counts against the cap because the team severed the contract.

in the case of jimmy graham the contract money for playing is paid by his new team and counts for them, but the guaranteed part of the contract money is still owed to him because it isn't dependent on playing or even being on the team.

you would have to read the contract to know for sure but I don't believe there is much protection for a team to get out of paying guaranteed money short of if the player quit or refused to play and voiding the contract outright

Still above my head.. But I HAVE read Saints are still way over Cap for players that have been traded etc...

Signing brees and graham to those big contracts didn't leave room to keep his big lineman and a few awesome D lineman..

Also.. Leadership starts at the top... Saints management is in disarray with all that is going on with Benson and family...

I guess a way to over simplify it is, when a player leaves a team for another team, or gets cut from a team, all the team getting rids of them saves, is any future money owed to them in the form of game checks or bonuses not yet earned. but any guaranteed money and bonuses in the contract they still have to pay that player, even after he is gone.

that's kinda covers 95% of most situations and it doesn't make much sense to most of us but that's the way they set up the contracts, so the player gets paid no matter what.

where it really gets all fuzzy is with injury situations, like reggie bush who's career may be over because of injury, that's when it takes 20 lawyers on each side to hash things out lol.