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C-Bass2mouth 03-14-2016 01:42 PM

Lowrance HDS help
 
I recently installed the LSS-1 sidescan module/transducer with my existing HDS7 gen2 & HDS5 gen2 units. Everything was running fine after installation, and my console HDS unit randomly powered off. And of course now won't power back on. No fuses were blown, the plug has enough power, and my bow unit works fine when I tried it at the console. It's not under warranty, and everything I'm reading says it's really pricey to send it back to Lowrance for repair. I read there is a soft reset I can do to the unit, but I wouldn't think you could even do that without it powering on. I haven't taken the face plate off yet to see if there was any water damage etc. Any ideas of what to do before sending it off?

wishin i was fishin 03-15-2016 08:16 AM

There is a soft and hard resets, I would try both. When you do this make sure you only have your power connected.

Also make sure it is not your power connection at your console. i would try this from your other location first.

That is about all you can do.

C-Bass2mouth 03-15-2016 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin (Post 789529)
There is a soft and hard resets, I would try both. When you do this make sure you only have your power connected.

Also make sure it is not your power connection at your console. i would try this from your other location first.

That is about all you can do.

Thanks. I'll give it a shot.

Dogface 03-15-2016 03:26 PM

Don't want to hijack but can you change the color of the boat symbol on the hds gen 2 ? I know you can change the trail color and the boat symbol gets hard to see in the sunlight. Thanks.

wishin i was fishin 03-16-2016 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 789577)
Don't want to hijack but can you change the color of the boat symbol on the hds gen 2 ? I know you can change the trail color and the boat symbol gets hard to see in the sunlight. Thanks.

I have never gotten the symbol to work on mine for some reason. It wasn't important to dig into for me.

C-Bass2mouth 03-16-2016 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 789577)
Don't want to hijack but can you change the color of the boat symbol on the hds gen 2 ? I know you can change the trail color and the boat symbol gets hard to see in the sunlight. Thanks.

Not sure on that one. Isn't the standard option just a black arrow? Might be easier to see.

Dogface 03-16-2016 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Bass2mouth (Post 789702)
Not sure on that one. Isn't the standard option just a black arrow? Might be easier to see.

Yea, mine is a black arrowhead but with the map I use the canals and bayous are pretty dark and its hard to see the boat position at times. Thanks

wishin i was fishin 03-16-2016 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 789740)
Yea, mine is a black arrowhead but with the map I use the canals and bayous are pretty dark and its hard to see the boat position at times. Thanks

Sorry for the hijack...

I use the course extension to combat the dark maps since it is blue. I travel in big bays.

not sure if this helps yall any.

C-Bass2mouth, did you get your unit to power up?

Dogface 03-16-2016 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin (Post 789744)
Sorry for the hijack...

I use the course extension to combat the dark maps since it is blue. I travel in big bays.

not sure if this helps yall any.

C-Bass2mouth, did you get your unit to power up?

What's the course extension? As you can tell, I just got the unit and don't know anything about it.

wishin i was fishin 03-16-2016 09:39 PM

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It is a line that extends 1 mile ahead of you. See pic below.
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Dogface 03-16-2016 09:49 PM

Ok, thanks

Visco 03-17-2016 09:38 AM

This might be to late, but before trying any resets, you should absolutely make sure that you have a good solid ground as well. Many times over I have seen electrical issues come down to the ground wire and how and were it is grounded.

wishin i was fishin 03-17-2016 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Visco (Post 789793)
This might be to late, but before trying any resets, you should absolutely make sure that you have a good solid ground as well. Many times over I have seen electrical issues come down to the ground wire and how and were it is grounded.


Exactly, that is why I suggested trying it from the bow location first.

As you stated Visco my many years of electrical installs have taught me to troubleshoot the ground first. I guess because all of the attention is put on the positive lead. I have seen things man!!!

C-Bass2mouth 03-17-2016 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Visco (Post 789793)
This might be to late, but before trying any resets, you should absolutely make sure that you have a good solid ground as well. Many times over I have seen electrical issues come down to the ground wire and how and were it is grounded.

Haven't had a chance to try the reset yet. I assume the only ground issue there could be would be from the prong on the actual unit (that appears clean to me) since I can power up a different unit at the same location with no problems.

After thinking on it more, The HDS unit AND the LSS unit call for a 3 amp inline fuse on EACH of their power wires. I only put one inline fuse on the wire that they are BOTH powered from instead of having a fuse on both of their power cables. I remind you I have 0 experience wiring anything other than research online, and through the lowrance manuals. In my mind it seemed like if I put the fuse on the wire coming from the positive on the battery that powers both the LSS and HDS, I could get away with only needing one fuse and cut down on unnecessary connections that could eventually corrode.

I would think any short would blow the fuse and power down both the LSS and the HDS. Did I mess up real bad? lol

Visco 03-17-2016 11:20 AM

Check your ground wire and make sure it is secure, no corrosion, and then follow the ground wire all the way back to the battery. The issue you may find is that you will have multiple ground wires connected to a single smaller ground wire which then runs to the battery. Think of that ground wire like a water hose, if you pinch it the water flow slows down, this is the same concept and if you slow the flow down you can cause issues with the unit in question.

I agree, you need to cut down on the amount of wiring you have... when you can. Check the fuse and make sure it is at least a 6amp fuse as both of those systems will each draw 3 amps max totaling 6 amps.

If you have no wiring issue, then it will be at the unit in question.

Good luck

C-Bass2mouth 03-17-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin (Post 789799)
Exactly, that is why I suggested trying it from the bow location first.

As you stated Visco my many years of electrical installs have taught me to troubleshoot the ground first. I guess because all of the attention is put on the positive lead. I have seen things man!!!

Well the bow unit works at the bow and console location. The console unit works at neither location. If it was a ground problem downstream from the unit itself at the console, wouldn't the bow unit not work at the console location also??

Juciy 03-17-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Bass2mouth (Post 789817)
Well the bow unit works at the bow and console location. The console unit works at neither location. If it was a ground problem downstream from the unit itself at the console, wouldn't the bow unit not work at the console location also??


Are the two units networked? If yes, the console unit is toast.


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wishin i was fishin 03-17-2016 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Juciy (Post 789818)
Are the two units networked? If yes, the console unit is toast.


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Afraid so.

C-Bass2mouth 03-17-2016 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Juciy (Post 789818)
Are the two units networked? If yes, the console unit is toast.


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No the two HDS units are not networked yet. I only have one Ethernet cable for now, and it's only long enough to reach from the LSS-1module to the console HDS. But the other functioning HDS unit works and shows a side scan reading when at the console.

wishin i was fishin 03-17-2016 05:03 PM

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Network, actually doesn't have anything to do with it. If your bow unit works at both locations, and your console unit works on neither, then the problem is in the console unit.

If you can not successfully do a hard reset on the console unit, then it will have to go to the factory unfortunately.

you will need to bump up the fuse on your console/lss1 power lead to at least 6 amps, 10 amps max.

Here are the reset directions just in case.

Juciy 03-17-2016 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin (Post 789851)
Network, actually doesn't have anything to do with it. If your bow unit works at both locations, and your console unit works on neither, then the problem is in the console unit.



If you can not successfully do a hard reset on the console unit, then it will have to go to the factory unfortunately.



you will need to bump up the fuse on your console/lss1 power lead to at least 6 amps, 10 amps max.



Here are the reset directions just in case.


Sure it does, it's power over Ethernet. The HDS uses the data cable for power also. Thus, power is supplied from the network, bow unit works, console does not. The problem is in the console unit main circuit board.


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C-Bass2mouth 03-21-2016 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin (Post 789851)
Network, actually doesn't have anything to do with it. If your bow unit works at both locations, and your console unit works on neither, then the problem is in the console unit.

If you can not successfully do a hard reset on the console unit, then it will have to go to the factory unfortunately.

you will need to bump up the fuse on your console/lss1 power lead to at least 6 amps, 10 amps max.

Here are the reset directions just in case.

Thanks,

I tried the soft reset with no luck. Didn't want to do the hard reset just yet until I had no other choice. I'll try that today after work.

I thought about doubling the fuse size to 6 like you're saying too. I fished Saturday with just the bow unit at the console and played around with the structure/side scan and it worked fine with a 3 amp fuse. I just would rather blow a few fuses than burn a unit up not knowing if the 6 amp was ok to do. But you're saying it's good to go with a 6 amp correct?

C-Bass2mouth 03-21-2016 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Juciy (Post 789901)
Sure it does, it's power over Ethernet. The HDS uses the data cable for power also. Thus, power is supplied from the network, bow unit works, console does not. The problem is in the console unit main circuit board.


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Didn't know that. So you're saying I could power a HDS unit with no power cord, and just the Ethernet cord from the LSS1?

Like I could not have the power cord plugged in to my bow unit, but have the LSS-1 powered on, with the Ethernet running from the LSS-1 to the bow unit, and still turn it on the HDS on?

C-Bass2mouth 03-21-2016 10:08 AM

Also,

I spoke with a lowrance support person just now. He said if the unit is out of warranty but is between 2-5 yrs old, they would charge me $300 to replace it. He also advised trying the hard reset first. Gotta find the serial number and call back with it to see when the original purchase was though.

alphaman 03-22-2016 04:07 PM

They have an hds 5 for sale on the site

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C-Bass2mouth 03-23-2016 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by alphaman (Post 790247)
They have an hds 5 for sale on the site

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Yea I saw that. It's a gen 1 with all the power cords and transducer for 250 if it's the one I saw. I contacted the guy about it but all I really need is the head unit, and lowrance might replace it for 300 and it is a gen 2.

C-Bass2mouth 07-11-2016 01:30 PM

Ok, got a new HDS gen2 Touch to replace the previously mentioned HDS gen2 that crapped out on me. Here's my next question.

I just got a new Ethernet cord to network the two units. I'm also thinking about buying the GoFree Wifi module and linking an ipad to one of the units to mount at the console also (cheaper than buying another HDS). If I were to do this, could I run an Ethernet cord from the wifi module, and both HDS units to the LSS-1 box and use that as a networking point? I have a push button HDS gen2 7 at the bow, with a Touch HDS gen2 7 at the console. I know the Touch has the LSS-2 built into the unit itself and has no need for the extra box, but if I were to run an Ethernet cord directly from one HDS to the other HDS, I'm all out of Ethernet ports (yellow plugs). So then I wouldn't have anything to plug the Wifi module in to. The LSS-1 box has 3 Ethernet ports.

Thanks,
CB

C-Bass2mouth 07-11-2016 01:52 PM

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This would be the ethernet connections only, all routhed through the LSS-1 box.

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