Massacre in Florida Nightclub
 

Its heart wrenching to see 20 people killed who were just having a good time with friends and family. My prayers are definitely with them, the wounded and families. Its ashamed that the focus will not be on this individual and more on the tool. If it was a car used like in Oklahoma, it would receive 1-2 days of news worthiness, but since its a gun, we'll here the guy in the oval office cry for "sensible" gun laws. Its coming guys.

Hang on to your guns, and start devising a way to hide them, I have a feeling we're less than a year away from our 2nd amendment being ignored.

Especially when Hilldog takes the reins

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Bet shooter was Muslim.

That ESPECIALLY won't matter, because the current BUM in the oval office will ignore that, if it is fact. Which we don't know at this point. If its a white supremacist hater and wacko, they'll say he was Christian, and start blaming the Christian white man. It was a tragedy that I think will be used to beat the liberal war drums and they are getting ready for full force assault on the good people of America.

Please, anyone thinking there will be a group of people coming door to door to confiscate your guns has lost their mind.

That's what the Jews in Europe thought aswell !!

History has a way of repeating itself all around the world!!

It will never work like that. They'll slowly pick away at it. They'll do things like tax ammo until the point where it's not affordable, or they'll pass laws saying if you've ever been convicted of a damn speeding ticket you can't own a gun. Little **** like that is what will happen. They can't go door to door, that will start a war.

Most killed on American soil.

NBC is already talking about the AR style gun and large capacity clips.

50 killed.

The shooter picked a soft target, Schools, churches, air ports, and now a Gay bar......how many gay guys you think were carrying there?

These musilims are anything put stupid

You're right, no one in their right mind believes the govt will come for your guns, in the near future anyway. I believe they will start with registering all guns, no matter the age of weapon. Most people I know will refuse to register their weapons. If they are caught with an unregistered weapon, it will mean confiscation, and probably a search of their house for additional weapons, and who knows what the charge will be. See how simple it is to outlaw guns in the USA?

Don't forget that Hillary stated that we need sensible gun control laws, and that Australia law was a "good start". And I heard my self, 2-3 days ago, someone in the DNC deciding their platform that stated she didn't believe anyone had the right to own a gun.

If anyone doesn't believe there are politicians and judges that want to outlaw their right to bear arms, and that it can happen, they are not only out of their mind, but they are fools.

Never liked trump, but we can survive him. America as we know it, will not survive a Hillary presidency.:flagUS:

Gun free zones should be avoided at all costs. If their cc laws are anything like ours cc wouldn't be allowed in a club/bar. Best to stay armed and avoid any place that doesn't allow you to be armed.

Lost your mind is living under the dillusion our government isn't willing to try something just that stupid. Just listen to Elisabeth Warren. She blatanly said it. She's also one of Hillary's possible choices for vp. It would be naive to think that attempt isn't possible. Yes it would start a war but once the war starts, how it began will matter not.

I guess drivers Ed, minimum driving age, required insurance, and traffic laws were all ploys to confiscate our vehicles and right to transport ourselves too.

At what point in the constitution does it state a right to transport yourself?
Also there is no requirement of drivers minimal age to drive or a requirement to have insurance or register a vehicle. You need none of that to drive a vehicle on private property. Those requirements are a contract you voulenteer to sign to access government built and maintained passages.

That's not the point I was making, the point was there was a one when those things weren't required and when the talks of regulations began I'm sure the same theories were in place that we have for gun control.

Of course there are politicians that want to ban guns altogether and remove them from society, but there are equally as many that oppose it. We aren't under rule, and states have rights.

You have a right to travel freely within the U.S. without being hindered, cars weren't invented when the constitution was written just like AR-15's semiautomatic pistols weren't invented.

Gun registration to create a database of gun owners and eventually targeting every one of them for confiscation of "conservatives" weapons would be the long way round.

If you have taken hunters safety or bought a hunting license, EVER, then why is gun registration so scary? Registration would be the long way around to identifying right wing gun owners wouldn't you think?

Boycott licenses and hunters safety.

On another note, how come everyone is a proponent of hunters safety courses prior to being able to hunt, but any talk of required course for gun ownership is tin foil hat city?

Valid point but I do not support hunter safety courses. I've taken it and it a an obsurd course. My daughter has never hunted and passed ot two times. It's as laughable as the cc course imo. I witnessed a woman come to the range with a gun she bought the night before. Having never fired a gun in her life she passed the cc course after the ro explained to her how her weapon and sights work. It's laughable. It's just another tax on what is your freedom.

So you feel a hunters safety course should be taken if it were actually a beneficial course?

Same for the CC course?

Goooh, Registration is not required because it was never required. It is a protection afforded by the constitution. I have a God given right to own a means to protect me and my family. I do not get my rights from the Government, nor should I need permission (license) to own a weapon if I am a law abiding citizen. There is always too much discussion regarding the weapon. We just had nut choose to use his truck to attack 10 bicyclist, killing at least 5. It received one day of news...had he used a gun to pick even 1 or 2 off, it would have been discussion fodder for a week, with the POTUS calling for a ban. Our point is, it is not the 99.997 percent of gun owners committing crimes, so don't make it more difficult to protect ourselves, and don't put me on your govt list so that when you do have enough in the supreme court to overturn the 2nd amendment as we know, govt WILL begin confiscation of guns. Read what happened in Australia in the 90s.

Anyone else find it messed up that there is more time spent on social media by people trying to advocate their pro gun / anti gun , pro Islam / anti Islam , pro gay / anti gay .... Etc instead of promoting prayer for the people who lost their lives and their families?

Well said

Thx
There is a time and a place for everything , I think using a tragedy to push your addenda is chicken$hit

We have become so well conditioned........respects to pox's thoughts......the end of the day we need a three party system where we, normal people, are not made to feel we have to hate the boggy man to be a part of a party

Gooh I don't disagree with much you have said. I believe a person should take it upon themselveses to seek to become qualified in anything they do. Driving, shooting etc. I don't believe the government should take away freedoms you already have then sell you back to you. It should be a personal responsibilty to do well in anything you do. I think maybe we can both agree on the lack of personal responsability now days.

Although it is very sad what is done is done. Nothing will change that.

How do you know how much time anyone on here has spent praying for the victims today? I started off this post offering prayers....actually when I read the news this morning I prayed, when I went to Bible study we prayed as a group, and in church service we all prayed for the victims, their loved ones, AND our enemies, that they can have a changed heart. I didn't just type "sending prayers" on a social media site, I actually spoke to the living God and creator of everything on their behalf, asking for His Grace to heal. And I ended with some what of a prediction about how it would be covered. Prediction wasn't fair, because it has become so...well, predictable.

Good job!

Sure Obama will not say anything about this guy being Muslim nor ISIS

He will say this young man was mental ill and if we had stricter gun laws we could of stopped him from getting a gun

He should of been evaluated by a physic to see if he was stable to own a gun
then he should of had proper care under a DR for his illness
and if gun laws were passed this guy would of never got his hands on a gun because Government systems always work


but Liberals say its a HATE CRIME just attack ON GAYS

Well, I think the simplest answer to that is that people don't believe in prayer anymore. You could post that on social media, and I guarantee you would get someone making a comment about "asking a big imaginary friend in the sky" to help us.

Or, as I've seen, comments about how these were gay men and women, and God doesn't help them.

It's just the day and age we live in. Prayer takes a backseat to everything else.

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I think a lot of people are praying but not bragging about it. It's a private thing for most. No different than donating to a charity then getting on here and patting your own back about what you did. Smalls this is not a shot at you or anyone just a thought.

That would be politically incorrect and offensive.

AND THIS BLOG

Good point

Guy was on the FBI watch list yet still passed a background check

You have to be pretty stupid (or a pot smoker) to confuse Constitutional liberties with reasonable regulation of things that are within the state's powers to regulate.

RKBA is a fundamental Constitutional right. Owning and driving cars is a privilege.

Only those who are foolish, evil, and/or stupid refuse to see the difference.

Or perhaps those who believe in prayer also believe the Lord instructed his people not to call attention to their prayers.

Something about praying in secret.

Good Point....

Nailed it.

Right again.

Apparently you both missed my point. There is a pretty good chance that if you say something about praying for anyone on social media, you are going to get ripped for having an imaginary friend. My post was in direct response to Pox's post about why you don't see anything about prayer on social media.

No doubt there are people praying, but you can't broadcast it on social media without being ripped by those who don't believe in prayer and God.

Yeah, you shouldn't go around patting your back about prayer, but no one said anything about that. And the posts that both Pox and I are talking about are not those. It's the "we need to be praying for these innocent lives that were lost" posts that you aren't seeing much of, as opposed to the "ban guns" fights going on, or the "guns don't kill people, terrorists kill people" posts.

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You missed your own point. People that are truely praying aren't talking about it. I'm not one of those so no I'm not patting my back.

States rights are a fundamental part of the ridiculousness of the overwhelming fear that people in suits are going to come by next week and start beating your family and taking your guns.

States make pot legal, move there. It's still a federal offense but the govt knows their place. It's funny so many people rant constantly about how the government is coming for our guns, but I've never met a single person that's sacrificing their free time and giving themselves to the cause and affecting change.

If you're that scared, do something and/or move to a state with some balls.

I thought we were supposed to be praying. Not debating states rights.

Massacre in Florida Nightclub
 

Don't mistake my shedding perspective for what I believe. I've been on here for a while now and very few people have noticed that if you argue apples, I'm going oranges. Perspective is always good.

A lot of folks don't here any other thought outside of Fox News and Sean Hannity; good luck finding someone who disagrees with them on anything. How is that possible or healthy?

Totally fair.......but beleiving that anyone that stands firm in what they do beleive in is only listening to one perspective is in and of itself esoteric......right?

I always enjoy your perspective..........but I also enjoy the simpleness of those that are unwavering in what they beleive in.

Maybe you should resd the below to understand what I said.

"INSTEAD OF PROMOTING PRAYER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FAMILIES?"

Is that clear enough for you? My response was directly to his question of why there isn't anyone promoting prayer on social media. I'm not denying that there are people that pray and don't post. Can we get past that? My point is: YOU GET ATTACKED ON SOCIAL MEDIA WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PRAYER!! That is nust as much reason why people do not post now.



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i think this is bologna....

they said the emergency clinic was not accepting anymore people due to the fact they thought the shooter was still on the loose and they feared the shooter would approach the hospital.

i could be wrong but i dont think anybody was acting.

you could be correct... but theres another video showing them carrying the guy w the red shoes on... then once they get farther from the camera he stands up and the guy carrying him has a smile on his face...

I noticed. That's why I have smartazz comebacks to a lot of things you say. I enjoy your views. I believe what I believe and I know others believe differently than me. My beliefs have changed many times over the years because I saw proof that what I belived was wrong. Never so set in what I think that I don't welcome another view point and am not willing to learn from it even if it proves that I was wrong.
Just for perspective. I have many friends that are gay and my son is dating a Muslim.