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Maybe I'm missing the point but the way I see it is these outdoorsman spend their own money, use their own equipment and did what they had to do to save people. I saw on the news that Senator Johnaton Perry wants citizen-rescuers across the state to take training and start applying for permits so there is no liability. How can you regulate this? Here's a thought - how 'bout passing a law saying that anyone attempting to rescue someone is exempt from liability.

http://www.theadvocate.com/louisiana...76d9b161a.html

Just another way for the government to steal money from the working man. Let me know when the revolution starts.

This guy is full of more crap than your normal politician. Clarify your statements is political code for "opps I shouldn't have said that to begin with."

Seems to me the Cajun Navy did great job without any of the stupid, ridiculous, and moronic processes this politician is suggesting.

The ppl who voted him in should band together and have him removed from his seat immediately. Hes pimping this terrible disaster as a way to make money. If hes that concerned about liability, just let everyone sign a waiver. No need to charge a man to save another man.

Not the case. Lots of misinformation out there. I am not a JP fan but I know him well enough to know that he would never introduce something like that. He's to the right of far right. Here is a message he posted on FB.

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.j....4572198949427/

I was ready to write something like the others, "typical LA govt wants to shake down the guys out there helping." Thanks for the video that helps clear it up, straight from the horse's mouth. Can't say I like the "here's my address take a shot" stuff, but hearing the real story helps. Thanks Marque.

He's my neighbor. I hope they are better shots than they are at facts.

I don't care what video you post after the story breaks. It's a pointless idea anyway. The Cajun Navy did a fine job without having some inefficient government certification process involved.

I agree this should fall under the good Samaritan laws. It is just another way to make a buck and claim the credit in the future. Government just can't stand to not be in control. The feds hate Louisiana. We out performed them in every aspect of this disaster. Quicker at response to evacuation, shelters, food and donations. They can't claim look at all the people we saved. Look at what we gave you so vote for us. We need your donations so we can keep 90% of the dollars and give you 10% back. But you know what they hate most of all. We exposed them for what and who they are. All show and no go!

I don't agree with a fee but I'm not opposed to a training program... Some sort of organization to work within the Incident Command Framework wouldn't hurt as well. It would actually more than likely get help to citizens quicker linking the navy to the EOC.... I think good could come out of it if done right...


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Exactly! They can't even manage deliver mail in a half way efficient manner!!!! So bad at it people pay a premium to use FED EX or UPS.

Next time I see a stranded boater I'll just keep on going since I'm not certified to rescue.

You guys don't get it. Any idea how many went out there with an ice chest of beer? How about 4 "buddies" in a 15' boay to rescue people? How about LDWF having to pull units from rescue to deal with th ones that were drunk or lost?

Granted, they were the minority, but it happened. There has to be some coordination! If you just drop and go, you may be going where the area has already been cleared or if you clear an area, the others who go through there are wasting valuable time.

There has to be some training and coordination.

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The left put their spin on this and now everyone is up in arms. I don't agree with having to get pay for a permit to go and rescue people but from what he said in the video it's not that bad. The law won't be able to turn you away if you are going rescue. It will expedite getting help to the people. I know working in telecom I have that access after storms and such.


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Chief,
I guess it is hard for those who have never worked within the NIMS framework to actually understand the planning and organization that goes on. I can speak from experience on how hard it is to get your job done while having to worry about would be rescuers getting stranded and having duplication of efforts due to lack of communication. The Cajun navy is a great group of volunteers but working within a national response guideline is essential in disaster response.....


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Yes I can see how it would be a horrible idea for the state to try and ensure the people they are allowing into a disaster area have a minimum degree of competence. As well as have some clue as to the chain of command works in disaster response so they can work with the first responders efficiently. Because lord knows everyone who owns a boat in Louisiana is perfectly capable of going into a chaotic situation, save the day, and not getting themselves in trouble. That would never happen.

Lmao! Well at least a few people have a clue!!!!

Like was stated earlier.... Let's grab a couple cases of beer and cruise around and if we happen to see someone we'll grab em....


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Not a shot at you Chief just a thought.
If I'm using my time, my boat and my fuel to come get you out of your flooded house and you have a problem with the beer in my hand just get comfy at home because that's where I'm leaving you. Even drunk neighbors get stuff done faster than a sober government.

Whether it's at my paid department or my volunteer department I want competent people working around me... A level of competence is expected from myself and our crew, I expect it from everyone working around me also. My life could very well be in their hands... You would be surprised at the amount of victims that started out as untrained would be rescuers..


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I remember after Katrina all the people that headed to NOLA with their boats that were turned away by State Police. People were really up in arms about that but I understood exactly why they did it.

Unless you are trained how to deal with people who are in a state of desperation or shock you won't be prepared to handle it. You expect them to be happy to see you but instead they start shooting at you.
You can't send a bunch of Quakers into the inner city of New Orleans to rescue withdrawing drug addicts, mentally ill homeless people, starving children and all the others that got left behind. You send Marines. Granted this situation was different but a state law is the same in NOLA as it is in Youngsville.

Its really not hard for me to see why there need to be these kind of laws in place. I guess you guys who think there is no need for it haven't witnessed enough human stupidity in your life time. Just because you aren't stupid doesn't change the fact that the majority of human beings are. I have no problem letting the weak cull themselves from the herd but I don't want them to kill me or someone I care about in the process. For as angry as you guys are you sure do have a lot of faith in humanity.

How do you train and organize a group of people for an event that isn't likely to reoccur in the next decade? Gona have monthly training classes for the next ten/fifteen years. One orientation class when you sign up isn't going to work. A decade from now when something happens people won't remember that class. 10% will be dead. 10% won't have a boat anymore because of the divorce and 10% will have boats in the shop that don't run.
I don't recall reading a single news story that said a person was worse off because a bunch of uncertified people showed up to help them.

All they have to know is where they are in the chain of command and don't do unless you are given an order to by someone in a position of authority.

So if I see your old lady or daughter in trouble of drowning/being swept away/snake bite etc...... you'd want me to wait for an order to go help them right?

Cajun Navy - Training, Permits, License and Fees
 

Let the cops and fireman be the Heroes until there there's a need for you to be one. I think they would be more likely to ask for aassistance from Joe blow if they had some confidence they wouldn't end up having to rescue him as well.

I was a volunteer firefighter. I know all about training. I also know the trapped person doesn't give a damn about training or certifications when they are trapped. The only thing that matters to them at that point is getting out.

We aren't talking about people stepping in front of trained professionals. I'm talking about when there is an obvious need for more help than they can provide in the moment.

Well said. My hats off to those that spent their own money and gave time to go and help. Did some people go and drink beer, etc. and get in the way I'm sure they did but the majority were there to help. Let's not take what is great about Louisiana and make it like everything else in this country please.

[QUOTE=duckman1911;804794]I was a volunteer firefighter. I know all about training. I also know the trapped person doesn't give a damn about training or certifications when they are trapped. The only thing that matters to them at that point is getting out.[/

True but this is besides the original post.... Let's get back to chain of command and incident organization. Say we have 25 people in an area where we have 5 boats operating... Do we want all five boats going to house to house or duplicating efforts or do we want resources properly allocated and moving through victims in the most efficient manner???


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[quote=Jcredeur;804798]You are right in what you are saying but I think this was a chaos type of situation and there was no real way to control it. People were literally drowning in the streets, in that situation it's all hands on deck and you get as many hands out there as you possibly can. I'd prefer someone coming in to not spend the 15 minutes checking with "the boss" and just come get me before I run out of air.

For once i can agree with you Duckman.

So now with the state budget in shambles, The taxpayers will start footing the bill for on going training for people that want to help out in a disaster.

The alternative is spend a bunch of money for some one time classes and hand everyone a piece of paper that says certified. That actually sounds more like what the government would do. Meanwhile some state legislator will stand proudly running off at the mouth about some bill he created to fund all this.

Guys just be thankful you live in a state where people still come together for the community and try to help one another. Baton Rouge before this was in the middle of a racial war with BLM, etc.... Once the flooding started that didn't matter anymore. Everyone helped each other.

One of the few times I agree with duckman about anything. Train people for something that we may never see happen again in our lives? If I was stranded in a sinking car, do you think I care wether the hand that's reaching out for me is licensed, trained, or qualified rescuer? Or if he has a 6-pack of beer in his boat? All I will care about is grabbing the hand that is reaching out to me.
Like everything else these days, the media has turned a good thing into a contraversy. Now the local gov't is in play. Greed is ugly!

Jesus Christ, you would have to be a real a$$hole to let an old lady drown. You guys can't see the forest threw the trees. We deal with hurricanes mostly in Louisiana. If you are dealing with something the magnitude of Katrina or Rita ANY response needs to be coordinated. None of you have ever been in the military? Really you can't have a bunch of entities operating independent of each other and achieve the same goal. People don't read each others mind. If everyone on board has a basic idea of how things work then resources get devoted to the proper place. The situation is already chaotic enough without a bunch bunch of people wondering around without any clear idea of what is going on. In a situation where someone is drowning in the streets there isn't going to be anyone there from preventing you from saving them. Thats why the military standardizes it training. Its because you may not have ever met the person you are working with but you have both had the same training so you know how its going to go down. Same principle. Otherwise trained first responders end up being cat headers. Rounding up all the people trying to help but are really just in the way.

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My god, man.

And do I really have to remind you guys how crazy lawsuits are nowadays. Whats to prevent some you rescue from suing you or the state if they are hurt while in your care? If the State is complicit with allowing the average untrained citizen to rescue its citizens they they can most likely be held liable for damages incurred while in your care. God forbid someone dies because you didn't have a 4 hour first aid class. If there isn't some paper work that can absolve the state from that responsiblity than that is a big risk they assume. Anyone volunteering his boat in a rescue doesn't have the proper liability insurance then hold on for the ride. That is the nature of the world we live in. The state has a responsibly to protect themselves from liability the same as you. Lawyers can find loopholes everywhere.

You are exactly right. It would get turned into an expensive di ck measuring contest with every one In politics going around saying "look what I did. It's going to be better now".

I guess they think that theyll only sell permits to "competent" ppl. Lol

I think I got this. If a disaster hits and ppl need to be rescued. Wait til a cop, wlf agent, or politician gives you an assignment. Lulz

Great article except you left out the part where nobody died because of those untrained unorganized people that came to help. People lived because of those untrained unorganized people that came to help. Stop being a Monday morning quarterback

If "classes" are required the ones that really will risk it all to help will still come out and help and not worry about the classes. Overall it will just cut down on the number of people that actually do want to help. The Cajun navy was needed. We didn't have enough government or emergency personal in the area at the time of need to help the number of people that really needed help. I can tell you now if I thought someone was drowning and I had a boat in the area I would go and save them if I could. If the military wants to shoot me in the back while I'm on my way to help or if I get sued by the person I tried to help then I will deal with it. I can tell you what I wouldn't do is sit around and wait for the "commander" to give me some order in a crisis situation. For those of you that work in plants that should remind you of the week you sit around doing nothing waiting on permits. More government oversight and red tape is the last thing anyone needs.

I wish this incompetent SOB would've waited until he got orders from somebody in a position of authority. The frickin nerve of this guy

They'll have to. I mean if you were drowning you wouldn't want some redneck with beer on his boat to save you. No. You have to wait for that guy that has his certificate right? Lol

Ha did you read that lady was drunk and had just stolen that car. No BS, man he did the world a favor saving her.

Best post I have seen. I saw that video. If he would have waited she would be dead.

Simple solution. Before u rescue them, ask them if they are a lawyer...

If you let an old lady drown you're a real azzhole right? Isn't that what you said just a few posts ago?

holy crap that was funny!

Judge, jury and now executioner boys. Gotta be trained properly to know who to let live and let die.

Oh I am an azzhole, a big one. I embrace it.