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specktator 03-22-2017 03:09 PM

Jeremy Waltrip Reef Coming Soon
 
http://www.ccalouisiana.com/cca11/in...ke-this-spring


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Mlab12 03-22-2017 04:23 PM

I know people hate CCA, but if they are building reefs in the lake I'm for it

marshrunner757 03-22-2017 04:39 PM

Why not use the rock to levee off the channel and big Lake?

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homerun 03-22-2017 05:49 PM

Why not use the rock to levee off the channel and big Lake?

x10

"W" 03-22-2017 06:59 PM

Its kind of like using duck tape to cover up the bad area just so you dont see it...

It says it all right here

“We are excited to provide this new reef in an area of Big Lake that has suffered from tremendous loss of the natural reef habitat,” said Lake Charles CCA President Eric Mire. “People come from all over the world to fish this amazing estuary, and all of us who enjoy recreational angling here have been concerned about reef habitat loss in the southern lake. This project is an opportunity to give back to this lake that is such an important part of our culture and our local economy.”



How about let FIX the FREAKEN Problem CCA instead of you spending another half million on a reef ....

Lets fix the WHY.....

We dont need band aids... we need solutions

marshrunner757 03-22-2017 07:14 PM

Agree 100%. Stop oyster dredging and put a levee to reduce tidal movement.

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"W" 03-22-2017 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by marshrunner757 (Post 817862)
Why not use the rock to levee off the channel and big Lake?

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Makes too much sense .... Cant fix problems just patch them up and wait 10 more years for a new reef " because its a Feel Good ,High Five the CCA we care about Big Lake PR move"

We can add 50 reefs but if you dont stop erosion and slit your fighting a losing battle .


long point, wash out , nine mile, reef behind old jetties , reef in front of old jetties , old river reef.
all dead due to slit from dredging

BloodKnot 03-23-2017 08:39 AM

Fixing the problem is bad business...No future business if there is nothing to fix...

maddog 2 03-23-2017 08:51 AM

Wouldn't a levee or a major project to stop coastal erosion be a Corp of Engineers, State of Louisiana responsibility. I don't think CCA is here to play super man for fisherman. If it's a serious issue, then our State and Federal Government should step in.

BloodKnot 03-23-2017 09:04 AM

CCA is a lobbyist group. They can lead the fight to the US Corp or lobby state/federal officials to find the appropriation to help our erosion and environmental issues.

biggun 03-23-2017 10:29 AM

CCA IS NOT a lobbyist group.. We are a conservation organization . JUST LIKE DU and Delta Waterfowl...

Just FYI.. CCA is working behind the scene on a VERY significant chance on the Oyster front... Not Sure of it's status since our meeting last week... But Again; CCA is working on chances with WL&F's help.

If I remember correctly... The Reef will be placed very close or on the location of the old tank battery..

And Just FYI.. I'm the new prez of the Cajun Chapter... After Being VP for 4 yrs...I've been in that chapter board for over 12 yrs.

Our Chapter will have an education station at the Acadia Parish 4-H achievement Day in May... We will be speaking to groups of 40-50 kids at a time.. Total 300-400 kids.

Every one of them will receive a small tackle package or rodnreel... Children are the future of our sport.. WE will also offer them a FREE CCA New Tide membership and FREE entrance to our banquet...

So the Quotes on here about CCA is all about the money Is totally BS... Is DU or Delta Waterfowl all about the money??? No more than CCA is...

Oh By the way.. Anyone on this site, IS WELCOME to come help me, and CCA's outreach coordinator for the Achievement day presentation... We will be showing them, a few different saltwater fish.. As many as we can go catch a few day before the day.. How to tie different knots... Boating safety, habitat etc...

Gunner

337-781-9581 Cell

ahlangle 03-23-2017 11:03 AM

Any way you look at it, CCA is going to be around for a while.
(ANY group, no matter their aim or purpose, could charge $50 or so in LA for a chance at a boat or truck and get all the business they want, growing that group's "membership" and thus, influence, exponentially).

"W" 03-23-2017 11:08 AM

We can add 50 new reefs over next 10 years and if you not stop erosion , high salinity and slit from dredging your pissing up wind.

This must be Gunners "BIG" Big lake news lmao

new reef ..... cost will exceed over half million dollars if its donated if its not donated then its will reach well over a million.
SMH

Fix REAL Problems then Reefs will come natural

K W 03-23-2017 01:32 PM

Have no dog in this fight but funny to see so many bash cca and cca is putting money into the lake this forum is all based on mainly and they still get bashed. Cracks me up.

Sounds like the government should be brought up instead of groups that give something back even if it is a small portion of their proceeds.




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BloodKnot 03-23-2017 03:18 PM

Not a lobbyist group? OK just an association that has quick links to email your Louisiana Congressman/Louisana Commissioner/etc. to "take action" in politics and agendas. But they have no lobbying efforts.

https://www.votervoice.net/CCA/Campaigns/47294/Respond


Low hanging fruit to put out press releases seem to be the ticket. Avoid the big projects that are affecting our area.

K W 03-23-2017 03:58 PM

Wouldn't say it's a lobbyist group, but there's no doubt in my mind they have a lobbyists or lobbyist group on retainers/payroll etc. I know plenty of companies that use lobbyist and they aren't a lobbyist group.


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"W" 03-23-2017 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by K W (Post 817904)
Wouldn't say it's a lobbyist group, but there's no doubt in my mind they have a lobbyists or lobbyist group on retainers/payroll etc. I know plenty of companies that use lobbyist and they aren't a lobbyist group.


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Oyster fisherman Not Lobbyist

Oyster fisherman have Biggest Lobbyist

Same as CCA is you get the picture

jimboragleyfire 03-23-2017 10:08 PM

W guess oyster fishermen have no culture or do not provide to the local economy. and as far as you being upset over dredging silting up the lake sweetheart it damn sure aint gonna stop just so you can have a place to fish and thats a promise ( AKA PRO GUIDE )

K W 03-24-2017 08:18 AM

Just wait till they build that port over there. Y'all think that will help or hurt that lake?


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"W" 03-24-2017 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimboragleyfire (Post 817917)
W guess oyster fishermen have no culture or do not provide to the local economy. and as far as you being upset over dredging silting up the lake sweetheart it damn sure aint gonna stop just so you can have a place to fish and thats a promise ( AKA PRO GUIDE )

When the wall is built in 2019 along the ship channel to close off the lower end of the lake , it will fix a ton of problems and stop the silt covering up wash out , nine mile , long point areas.


As far as oyster fishing goes yes they do help the local economy but nothing like fishing does , between rec and guide fishing it bring in millions to the local economy.

Oyster fisherman had basically worked them selves out of a job when they stop using tongs with zero reseeding. It was only a matter of time till it was over.

A blind man could see that coming because its simple math

jabert 03-24-2017 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 817947)
When the wall is built in 2019 along the ship channel to close off the lower end of the lake , it will fix a ton of problems and stop the silt covering up wash out , nine mile , long point areas.

Is this really in the works? I remember seeing you post about it a while back but forgot to ask

"W" 03-24-2017 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jabert (Post 817950)
Is this really in the works? I remember seeing you post about it a while back but forgot to ask

Yep

As of right now they plan on starting in 2019 with lower end of lake .
I saw the blue prints this pass fall.


They also have plans to close turners bay off but that is still many years away .


Right now they will focus on south end

jl8200 03-24-2017 09:05 PM

If CCA puts a new reef into the lake what's to stop them from eventually raping this reef like they supposedly did the Cheniere reef? You would think if a reef was put in for recreation it wouldn't be allowed to be harvested for oysters.

Ragin_Cajun 03-24-2017 09:08 PM

I think there is a golden opportunity to tap the new business in the area "LNG"

They are the clean fuel, environmentally friendly and I think with the right support, they could and would be willing to support the cause. Just my two cents, LNG isn't going anywhere but up and they have big buck backing it. Keeping the channel dredges for the Deep draft ocean going vessels is a priority.

You do this, big boost to funds for the projects desired.

"W" 03-25-2017 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jl8200 (Post 817975)
If CCA puts a new reef into the lake what's to stop them from eventually raping this reef like they supposedly did the Cheniere reef? You would think if a reef was put in for recreation it wouldn't be allowed to be harvested for oysters.

Cheniere reef had a loop hole that the "Lobbyist" found and won the fight.

When Cheniere installed the reef they labeled for "ALL" which meant commercial and recreation


Cheniere south from what im hearing is basically back to day 1 status as they pretty much rapped every oyster off of it so your looking at 3 years with zero harvest to get back right.

So any mark you had on that reef in years passed for trout you can delete and start over

seachaser250 03-27-2017 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 817964)
Yep

As of right now they plan on starting in 2019 with lower end of lake .
I saw the blue prints this pass fall.


They also have plans to close turners bay off but that is still many years away .


Right now they will focus on south end

Would you mind explaining to us how this will help them lake? Honest question not sarcasm.

noodle creek 03-27-2017 12:03 PM

[QUOTE=seachaser250;818037]Would you mind explaining to us how this will help them lake? Honest question not sarcasm

It will keep the fluctuation of salt water and silt from being so extreme on every outgoing/incoming tide.

"W" 03-27-2017 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by seachaser250 (Post 818037)
Would you mind explaining to us how this will help them lake? Honest question not sarcasm.

Will help in a number of ways

1st and most important is it will lower the salinity in the lake which will allow the weirs to stay open 24/7 365 and with lower salinity you will have a stronger and healthier marsh .

2nd it will stop erosion and land loss inside the lake and lower end.

3rd it will stop slit building up on reefs and killing them along channel like wash out, 9 mile , long point , old Jetties reefs and many other small ones close to channel
- also when you stop slit and lower salinity your natural oyster beds will flurish and come back stronger and healthier than ever .
High salinity levels over oyster beds cause several problems including drill snails

Overall outcome is Healthier marsh , which feeds the lake which is key to our estuary success . More shrimp ,more crabs ,more fish , more oysters and more habits .

MEM1971 03-29-2017 07:42 PM

what, if any, are the negatives to come from this? also how long will the projects take?

tonyjohn 03-30-2017 04:46 AM

Hum, like another on here i dont live near BL or have a ' dog in the fight ' . but i will say this : with what im seeing on here , and im sure im not the only one, this fight is affecting your local economy . I for one am retiring this summer and have yet to decide where down there. I normally hire a guide but have just bought a boat but still im gonna spend my time AND $$$ in south La. Truth told im looking more easterly now . Still not sure where , Venice, GI, even out to Hopedale/shell . I know same problems elsewhere but some of you guys are painting a bleak picture of BL ?, the silt, salinity , lack of oyster bars etc.......just my 2 cents.

Duck Butter 03-30-2017 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyjohn (Post 818129)
Hum, like another on here i dont live near BL or have a ' dog in the fight ' . but i will say this : with what im seeing on here , and im sure im not the only one, this fight is affecting your local economy . I for one am retiring this summer and have yet to decide where down there. I normally hire a guide but have just bought a boat but still im gonna spend my time AND $$$ in south La. Truth told im looking more easterly now . Still not sure where , Venice, GI, even out to Hopedale/shell . I know same problems elsewhere but some of you guys are painting a bleak picture of BL ?, the silt, salinity , lack of oyster bars etc.......just my 2 cents.

You are getting a very one sided take on this

swamp snorkler 03-30-2017 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyjohn (Post 818129)
Hum, like another on here i dont live near BL or have a ' dog in the fight ' . but i will say this : with what im seeing on here , and im sure im not the only one, this fight is affecting your local economy . I for one am retiring this summer and have yet to decide where down there. I normally hire a guide but have just bought a boat but still im gonna spend my time AND $$$ in south La. Truth told im looking more easterly now . Still not sure where , Venice, GI, even out to Hopedale/shell . I know same problems elsewhere but some of you guys are painting a bleak picture of BL ?, the silt, salinity , lack of oyster bars etc.......just my 2 cents.

Dularge is the hot spot on the LA coast right now.

"W" 03-30-2017 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 818134)
You are getting a very one sided take on this

Explain ????

jimboragleyfire 03-30-2017 08:33 AM

spoke with the COE project manager said he's heard nothing bout a rock wall at south end of the lake as of this date but time will tell.

"W" 03-30-2017 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MEM1971 (Post 818123)
what, if any, are the negatives to come from this? also how long will the projects take?

Dont think it will have any negative impact because stopping erosion or slit can only make things better

"W" 03-30-2017 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimboragleyfire (Post 818137)
spoke with the COE project manager said he's heard nothing bout a rock wall at south end of the lake as of this date but time will tell.

What is COE ?

I know 100% its going to happen , I seen the blue prints been to the meetings and spoke with the head guy in charge several times.

I will find his info and post it ..

lsuriot 03-30-2017 11:05 AM

http://www.kplctv.com/story/35018471...help-fisheries

meaux fishing 03-30-2017 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyjohn (Post 818129)
Hum, like another on here i dont live near BL or have a ' dog in the fight ' . but i will say this : with what im seeing on here , and im sure im not the only one, this fight is affecting your local economy . I for one am retiring this summer and have yet to decide where down there. I normally hire a guide but have just bought a boat but still im gonna spend my time AND $$$ in south La. Truth told im looking more easterly now . Still not sure where , Venice, GI, even out to Hopedale/shell . I know same problems elsewhere but some of you guys are painting a bleak picture of BL ?, the silt, salinity , lack of oyster bars etc.......just my 2 cents.



The east side of the state is easier to catch fish

"W" 03-30-2017 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimboragleyfire (Post 818137)
spoke with the COE project manager said he's heard nothing bout a rock wall at south end of the lake as of this date but time will tell.

Its also not a rock wall its going to be built with concrete and build like a real wall , will have 3 boat slips in it .

Im going to see if I can get a copy of the blue prints and post them up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsuriot (Post 818146)


bigheadboo 03-30-2017 12:58 PM

found this
 
http://cims.coastal.louisiana.gov/ou...projID=CS-0065

click on document tab.

marshrunner757 03-30-2017 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 818150)
Its also not a rock wall its going to be built with concrete and build like a real wall , will have 3 boat slips in it .

Im going to see if I can get a copy of the blue prints and post them up.

Would like to see this. That would be a great help for the estuary.

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Pull n Pray 03-30-2017 01:05 PM

Where exactly is this going to be?

"W" 03-30-2017 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by marshrunner757 (Post 818153)
Would like to see this. That would be a great help for the estuary.

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This is kinda how the blue print looks

marshrunner757 03-30-2017 02:37 PM

Ah, so they're putting one in old River too. That will make a huge difference!

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"W" 03-30-2017 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by marshrunner757 (Post 818161)
Ah, so they're putting one in old River too. That will make a huge difference!

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I forgot to draw it on the map put they are going to close off both West Cover entrances and just leave a boat pass in both of them

marshrunner757 03-30-2017 02:49 PM

It's a shame it's taken this long. This should have been done years ago

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jimboragleyfire 03-30-2017 03:01 PM

the plans you are referring to are just a conceptual design by tetra-tech out of belleview, Wa. that wall you are describing would be 20468 ft long with 2 bypass sills at 60ft wide and 4 channels to enter and exit the lake with possible wiers and of course the boat bay to go with each wier .the other concept is to put a salt water lock at the south and north end of the channel at mile marker 3 and 11 with bypass sills at each one. these are only 2 of the many concepts that the coastal protection and restoration authority have planned out for the future.

DaPointIsDaBomb 03-30-2017 03:34 PM

Make Big Lake Freshwater Again

MEM1971 04-02-2017 02:27 PM

I'm sure curious how this will all pan out cause those areas I fish regularly!

MEM1971 04-03-2017 07:25 AM

silt issue could be helped way north. The Calcasieu River from just north of Ward 8 park to salt water barrier does not clear up anymore. When I lived along the river which I was raised up on around the old town bay area used to clear up where u could see 3-4 feet down. Now its lucky to get 6 inches. You have to get above bayou serpent to see clear water up here anymore. idk if its farmers or not. we used to say when it muddied up that the rice farmers are draining there fields. but now most are doing crawfish and draining a lot more of this muddy silty water. this almost has to contribute to the silt problem on the lower end of the river system.


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