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duckman1911 02-15-2018 03:32 PM

Ok why?
 
Was reading an article on fb about 3 reaturaunts in our area that got busted for selling Swai instead of catfish even though the menu sold it as catfish. The citations were isuued buy the wlfd. Why would they be concerened with that or have a legal juristicion? Chineese catfish or Amercan catfish they are all farm raised for market no different than cattle. Why are the possom cops involved?

DVM 02-15-2018 04:07 PM

I read a short article about the imported Swai. It seems like most imported Swai come from Vietnam and are grown in ponds that are treated with high levels of antibiotics to keep them alive. The fish in most ponds whether in USA or elsewhere are stressed because the density is so high. The stressed condition leads to more disease and need for antibiotics. Further, the conditions in US ponds have some regulations concerning safety and water quality that do not exist in Vietnam. Overuse of antibiotics in any kind of meat contributes to bacterial resistance which is not a good thing. When I go to a restaurant and order catfish, I am thinking that I am purchasing Channel or Blue catfish, probably farmed in a pond in Mississippi, not in Vietnam with uncertain safety regulations. Swai is actually not a catfish but is marketed as one.

papap 02-15-2018 04:20 PM

I bet a lot of shrimp sold in restaurants are not American caught either.

lil bubba 02-15-2018 05:10 PM

I don't know about the lic. requirements but I do know the store by my house sells these fish on the lunch menu . They are not the same as catfish . I saw the guy wash the hell out of them then hang around a big collender to drain . They leech out oil and water ,,,nasty....Never ate them and after I saw that I never will...

Smalls 02-15-2018 07:39 PM

I read an article a while back that said Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi had banned the sell of Swai because of illegal antiobiotics.

The article went on to say that some people were skeptical of that line of reasoning, simply because of the amount of catfish farmed in the 3 states.

I don't know who else would be involved in the case if it weren't LDWF.

Also, there is a federal law that makes it illegal to label anything as catfish that is not a member of the Ictaluridae family.

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duckman1911 02-15-2018 07:53 PM

Not saying it's a good practice but why is LDWF involved?There is nothing wild about those fish. They are no different than cattle raised for slaughter. Possom cops have more important things to do with tax payer salaries. Ya know park and play on your phone for 8 hours or so.

Stdjas55 02-15-2018 09:07 PM

People should get what they pay for, if restaurants say catfish it should be catfish. I am glad someone is watching. Duckman maybe you should move to Vietnam.

Smalls 02-15-2018 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 832278)
Not saying it's a good practice but why is LDWF involved?There is nothing wild about those fish. They are no different than cattle raised for slaughter. Possom cops have more important things to do with tax payer salaries. Ya know park and play on your phone for 8 hours or so.

Fish farms are regulated by LDWF. Cattle operations are not. There is a big difference.

Also, I believe wholesalers/retailers purchasing fish have to have a license from LDWF, with a few exemptions.

Who do you think should be handling this if not LDWF?

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Feesherman 02-15-2018 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 832277)

I don't know who else would be involved in the case if it weren't LDWF.

Could be the retarded Louisiana CCA

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Smalls 02-16-2018 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 832286)
Could be the retarded Louisiana CCA

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That doesn't even make any sense.

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Feesherman 02-16-2018 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 832290)
That doesn't even make any sense.

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When it comes to restrictions, especially with no sound reasons for them, you can look to CCA

DaPointIsDaBomb 02-16-2018 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 832278)
Not saying it's a good practice but why is LDWF involved?There is nothing wild about those fish. They are no different than cattle raised for slaughter. Possom cops have more important things to do with tax payer salaries. Ya know park and play on your phone for 8 hours or so.

I think that F in that acronym is for fish and W is for wild, so yeah I have no idea. Should only pertain to wild fish

We should be able to sell whatever we want.Its the responsibility of the person buying it to believe that we are selling what we say we are selling.

I sold a bag of oregano to a sucker in high school.

Smalls 02-16-2018 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 832291)
When it comes to restrictions, especially with no sound reasons for them, you can look to CCA

It was a Farm Bill enacted regulation in 2002. Still not sure why CCA would have skin in the game of catfish farming.

Seems to me the logical explanation here is that an industry that reportedly contributes $4 billion annually (according to The Catfish Institute) to the Louisiana economy found a way to protect their investment, and (along with other states) had a law enacted requiring accurate labeling. Then, as if thar wasn't enough, they got the state itself to ban the sell of Swai and anything else that wasn't a catfish or could pass as a catfish.

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Feesherman 02-16-2018 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 832295)
Still not sure why CCA would have skin in the game of catfish farming.

They don't, I just take every opportunity I can to expose them.

Smalls 02-16-2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 832300)
They don't, I just take every opportunity I can to expose them.

Obsessed much?

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Feesherman 02-16-2018 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 832301)
Obsessed much?

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Bored mostly, you ever been stuck on a conference call?

Smalls 02-16-2018 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 832302)
Bored mostly, you ever been stuck on a conference call?

Haha, too many to count.

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duckman1911 02-16-2018 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 832285)
Fish farms are regulated by LDWF. Cattle operations are not. There is a big difference.

Also, I believe wholesalers/retailers purchasing fish have to have a license from LDWF, with a few exemptions.

Who do you think should be handling this if not LDWF?

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Really doesn't matter to me who handles it I was just surprised it was them. Would have thought the department of agriculture but not ldwf is all. Didn't see why they would be involved in a non wildlife operation.

redaddiction 02-16-2018 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 832306)
Really doesn't matter to me who handles it I was just surprised it was them. Would have thought the department of agriculture but not ldwf is all. Didn't see why they would be involved in a non wildlife operation.

Wildlife and ?Fsheries?! They deal with fish farms in their duties.

duckman1911 02-16-2018 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by redaddiction (Post 832309)
Wildlife and ?Fsheries?! They deal with fish farms in their duties.

It certainly appears to be the case.

fisheye 02-17-2018 12:12 AM

This is similar to the import crawfish issue and is a purely economic battle. If a group of outlets in a particular area were targeted I would suspect a political motivation.

On a side note, I went to a faith based fundraising fish fry last month and on the menu was the genus pomoxis........about 400 people were served. Wildlife and fisheries were not present.....least not in uniform

Smalls 02-17-2018 11:32 AM

Well they obviously got tipped off my someone that wasn't happy about them falsely labeling Swai as catfish. That much is clear. They didn't just show up and start questioning restaurants about what kind of fish they were serving.

Wouldn't surprise me if they had been buying catfish from someone, and when they found a source of Swai for cheaper than the catfish, they dumped ole boy and he ratted them out.

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FF_T_Warren 02-18-2018 03:38 PM

Idk about all the rulings and crap but I can tell you this...I know someone who owns a restaurant and sells swai fish(properly labeled). Every piece of swai fish that I?ve ever eaten is way better than any piece of American catfish that I?ve ever eaten. Idk whatbthey talking about oily. This stuff is white as snow. It’s prettier and taste better than American catfish. I regularly recommend people trying it. It’s more than half the price and twice the flavor. And the flavor is consistent. I’ve never had a piece taste dirty or anything. I regularly get American catfish that I won’t eat because the flavor. With American catfish, One piece is awesome and the next is gross. Never seen that with swai. And I’ve probably ate my weight in it by now
On another note there are cross references of fish that are legally allowed to be sold under names different from what they are. For example blackened redfish can be blackened black drum. Sea scallops can actually be sting ray meat. I?m sure there?s dozens of others. That?s just the two I know off hand

duckman1911 02-18-2018 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 832331)
Well they obviously got tipped off my someone that wasn't happy about them falsely labeling Swai as catfish. That much is clear. They didn't just show up and start questioning restaurants about what kind of fish they were serving.

Wouldn't surprise me if they had been buying catfish from someone, and when they found a source of Swai for cheaper than the catfish, they dumped ole boy and he ratted them out

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Funny thing is that it coencided with the opening of a new Copelands resturaunt that is right in the middle of the 3 accused resturaunts.

bjhooper82 02-18-2018 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 832390)
Funny thing is that it coencided with the opening of a new Copelands resturaunt that is right in the middle of the 3 accused resturaunts.

Hmmm, something smells fishy to me!! :*****:


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