Has the left gone too far? . .
 

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I'm sure someone thought that was clever when they wrote it, but how do they explain shootings in churches, movie theaters, and concerts?

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Most shootings occur in gun free zones. I think the more legally armed good guys and gals we have the safer we all are.

I know that. That's the obvious here. Not some nonsensical crap about God not being in schools.

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Let me just say this first, I went to private catholic schools all my life and firmly believe in God and praying for people. But I dont think that God or Jesus is going to come to the United States and prevent mass shootings from happening. I think where some people are missing the point is that we need to put God and religion back in all schools to teach our kids how to care more about each other and have more value for life. The future of this country is heading in a very scary direction my friends.

Parents can't teach their kids to value life?

Look, I'm Catholic. Go to church every Sunday, and say morning prayers just about every day. I was a lector and eucharistic minister for 6 years at my church while in College. I'm in the Knights of Columbus now. Religion is important to me and my family.

But valuing life is not a uniquely religious concept.

I went to public school, catholic school, and was home schooled at different times in my life. With the exception of homeschooling, I was picked at and bullied anywhere I went. I had no religious formation whatsoever from 7th grade to 11th grade.

Did I shoot any of my bullies? No. Why? Because my parents raised me better. Hell, I even had anger issues. Still never shot anyone.

It starts at home. And by being vigilant and knowing what is going on with your kids. Same for educators. People need to be aware of what is going on. Recognize bullying. Recognize problems.

Does religion help? Sure. But it's not a necessity to valuing human life.

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Not a "necessity to valuing life" . . It forms the basis of life . . I grew up saying the Lords prayer every day in school . . An extension of values taught at home . . Might need to try it again . . What they're doing now ain't working . . I retired a teacher . .

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I didnt say that parents can’t teach their kids the value of human life. I definitely agree that it starts at home. Parents need to step up and be more involved in their kids life as a positive role model. I didnt mean that its all up to the schools.

I agree entirely . . Take prayer out of school and you remove the only exposure to religion that some of these kids will ever get . . Believe me, they're not going to get it from CNN . . I saw it every day . . For 20 years . .

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It's not the job of the public school system to ensure children have religion.

Hell, in Louisiana, we can barely teach anything else.

Get family priorities back where they need to be. Get kids back outside hunting and fishing. Teach them responsibility and morals, instead of giving them everything and allowing them to be spoiled, entitled brats. Stand up to bullying and recognize it.

I know people that rarely go to church that are better people than some of the "every Sunday" crowd. My wife and I had a priest at our wedding that was later arrested om charges of child pornography.

You can't force religion on people, and putting it into schools is forcing it on people. It's no better than a college professor forcing his political views on his students through his course material.

Society is so warped today that religion cannot even begin to fix it alone. There are too many opponents of it.

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Can't have it both ways . .

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This:
http://malcolmpollack.com/2018/02/16...the-whirlwind/

best explanation I've heard for the anti-gun peeps.

Works for me . .

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Yep. Pretty good read right there.

My boss said it the other day: put some actual armed and trained people in the schools. It's a SOFT TARGET!!

Funny thing about gun-free zones: criminals don't abide by the law.

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Just locking the doors would help . . We had administration peeps come unannounced and check doors . . Oh snap . .

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Yep, very good!!

Im a farmer, my wife is a high school teacher and she also teaches religon at our church, this statement sums it up, no more prayer in school and pledge to our great flag of this country. Her dad passed away 10yrs ago, he was a colonel for la national guard in carville, her half brother served in Iraq one tour. To me allegiance and prayer in school use to hold us together growing up as kids. Times have changed and we see the results. God bless us all.

Amen . .

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I am certainly a pro gun guy and a hunter. My wife and I both have a concealed carry license and we vote republican.

However where I differ from most is on assault rifles. I just don't see where there is a need for semi auto weapons like an ar-15 that holds 30 rounds. Full disclosure I own one. I realize I am probably in the minority on this but you don't see mass shootings with a browning a5 or Remington 700 bolt action they just aren't the weapon of choice or made to fire off significant rounds in a mass shooting situation.

Just offering a different opinion on this. As it relates to gun control I firmly support the right to carry. I just don't see a real need for an assault weapon. I feel I could defend my home very well wiht an 870 express pump shotgun.

I agree with you regarding the AR-15 but a knife and a Remington 700 were his weapons of choice. "Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 ? August 1, 1966) was an American mass murderer who became infamous as the "Texas Tower Sniper." On August 1, 1966, he used knives in the slaying of his mother and wife in their respective homes. He then went to the University of Texas in Austin, where the rampage began. He shot and killed three people inside the university tower. He then went to the tower's 28th-floor observation deck, where he fired at random for some 96 minutes, killing an additional eleven people and wounding thirty-one others before he was shot and killed by two Austin police officers. A total of sixteen people were killed; a 17th victim died 35 years later from injuries sustained in the attack"

Good example and point. At least with a 700 bolt action people can leave and have time to run. As I understand most of the people injured in that shooting were people that came back to see what was going on after hearing gun shots. In today's world where these shootings are more common I would hope folks would run.

I don't see this as a gun issue . . People blaming guns instead of addressing the issues of morals, mental health, parenting . . It's the person that pulls the trigger . .

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True...like the sherrif said I went to a high school where we brought shotguns in our trucks every day so we could squirrel hunt that afternoon. Never once did one of us even think of using it on the students. In 8th grade our pe teacher taught us hunters safety where we all earned our orange card including shooting skeet in the back of the playground. Different times back then.

But since we can't control how some people are raising there children should we make it difficult for these people to get an assault weapon?

Sure . . This kid in Fla should have never been able to get a gun . . He threw up a lot of red flags that were ignored . . I think gun safety has joined God on the list of "not politically correct" and not allowed in schools . . Sad state of affairs . .

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RESPECT . . the one word that is no longer included in the vocabularies of people . .

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My principal wanted me to teach archery in my pe class . . The vision of an arrow sticking out of my back eliminated that idea . . I know, right . . Go spend some time in a classroom and observe first hand the changes from when you were a student . . School psychologists suggest that the concept of right/wrong are in place by age 13 . . You can identify and place these kids in one or the other in about 2 min . . ie: FL shooter . .

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I'm very pro gun as well but something has to change. It is entirely too easy to walk into a sporting goods store and buy an AR-15 and 1000 rounds of ammo. I can walk into academy and in ten minutes come out with an AR-15, 1000 rounds of ammo and a a pallet of Tannerite. That's pretty cool and all but it's kinda messed up if you take your blinders off

It's a combination o s bunch of things that are culminating, but I don't think anyone will argue that it's hard to buy a gun

Second amendment blah blah blah. The second amendment already has sown restrictions. We have the right to bear arms, but that right does not allow us to buy an fully automatic assault rifle, or a grenade launcher, or claymore mine. There are restrictions already in place.

Flame away

Just give every kid a "participation" ribbon . .

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Also the bullying issue is another thing. There have always been bullies, but it's different nowadays with social media. There is some savage crap out there directed to these young kids My wife is a school teacher and if she sees a kid not playing she makes sure someone goes and plays with that kid. You just never know what some kid is going through. They may get bullied at school and then go home to abusive parents


And it's not a left thing or a right thing It's everyone's thing. Those kids aren't left or right.

Tru dat . . Thank your wife for her service . .

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You have guts coming out with these statements on this forum! I must admit I'm with you 100% on this. I am an avid hunter, own several shotguns, I am deputized to carry although I seldom do. I do not have an assault weapon and I'm not a member of NRA for this very reason. After the dust settles NRA will suffer big time with their blinding support of these assault weapons. With elections coming up those politicians who are bought by the NRA will have a hard time getting re-elected. Just my opinion.
No one needs an assault weapon. These belong to the military only. Get them off the streets, out of gun shows and Hollywood. The very name in itself should give a strong definition to what their purpose is used for! Lets start off by getting rid of them again.

Noone needs...... Fake tities...a 100mph car.....a 80mph boat........ A. 300mag...... But they are made.... Someone could do as much. Damage with a 12ga plug out, full of 3 1/2 buckshot,,,. Now wanna give up that too?? It's Not the Guns!! An by the way N.R.A. IS THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT

The 2nd amendment is not about self-defense or hunting. It's about when it's time to throw the tea into the harbor again.

Yes it does

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"Our constitutional republic is only suited for a just and moral people"- John Adams

"We are a formerly Christian nation in the advanced stages of decomposition"- Pat Buchanan

A large portion of our citizens no longer fit the quote by Adams but more closely resemble the Buchanan quote..... The hippie movement in the 60's killed this country its just taken a few decades for the corpse to rot and begin stinking.

Those who melt down their guns to make plows will plow for those that have guns . . Thomas Jefferson . .

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No doubt!! Its so we can protect ourselves from the government.

Not to start a dissagreement but parents(especially hunters) do teach the value of life. When your kid kills a deer do you not explain to that young hunter that his lofe meant something and we should be grateful for hi life and rhe meat we now have. Yes they killed but it was for a reason. It teaches them that killing is the end. Not just a video game death and so it over. It is a final. Again not tryi g to argue. Just my view. I do believe that religion and family structure have the most to do with it. I'm not a highky religous person. Holy water would probabky burn me. I still have a lot of rwspect for the bible and the church. You have a book that basically says don't be an *******. How do you not.loke that?

Very good . . I couldn't have said it better myself . . Thanks for that . .

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So let me get this straight, you don?t think it?s necessary for people to own an ar-15 yet you own one yourself?? If that?s really the way you feel then I?ll gladly come and take it off your hands for you. And I guarantee you in a school shooting situation like the one that just happened in Florida, someone could have killed just as many people with a browning a5 or Remington 700 bolt action. Why? Because it is a gun free zone and the shooter has no opposition. Kids were left helpless and stuck in class rooms like sitting ducks. Sure, he may have had to reload way more often but unless a few kids would have rushed him while he was reloading they were done! And I also guarantee you those poor kids were so damn scared that the last thing on their mind was to fight back. You can make all the new laws you want and ban the ar-15 also, the sad fact is that evil has been around since man was created and evil will be here until the end of time. Full disclosure, I don?t own an ar-15 but I would never want to take away someone else?s right to own one.

In Texas our schools are protected by armed cops. So if you came in with a browning a5 the first thing that would happen is the cops would call for backup, then they would attack you. If you didn't pull the plug you have three shots before you get rushed. Could you kill a few kids sure but 17 very very unlikely. Secondly in Texas our schools have two sets of magnetic doors just to get in a school and the entire campus is locked down to the outside. Could a sniper get a few kids? Sure with a 700 Remington he could get four kids but all kids would be trying to get inside and why he reloads the cops on recess duty would be firing back he would have to take cover.

With an ar 15 and 30 rounds the death count would certainly be higher.

Man, that?s awesome! I sure wish all schools in all states would do the same thing. I honestly believe that would be far more effective then trying to create stricter gun laws or baning certain weapons. If there was an armed guard or cops at every school and metal detectors and so on, these terrioist that want to do mass shootings would think twice. I?m all for something being done but you can?t just sit back and say you don?t dont see the need for or see it necessary for people to own an ar-15 when you own one yourself. Plus, if the left got their way and ar-15s were banned, where would they stop??

I know it's a slippery slope when you start to ban one weapon would that lead to suddenly we can't own an automatic shotgun. Something does need to be done.

I definitely agree with you, something needs to be done. I would pay extra for my kids? school here in Lafayette to hire an armed guard or police for security. I think that would be a great start.

The folks that dont want religion should think about what religion teaches. Good common sense life rules. Dont kill, dont lie, dont bully or diss anyone(dont curse.) dont be jealous and resentful of others(covet.) etc. thats what they stamp out when they take down the 10 comandments. Life rules.

Very good point cappy

Roger that. Well said.

Everyone absolutely has a right and needs to own an AR. AR's are what you need when the government comes for you. Look at the history of country's that took citizens guns away, and what happened shortly after. Don't think there aren't a pile of politicians out there that want complete power. History repeats itself. Not always, but you never know. Don't want to be the one stuck without one when you need it most.

If that kid didn't have an AR, he could have easily done the same damage with a bomb.

The main issue at schools is security. All schools should actually be locked down with one entrance for all visitors & even employee ?s after school begins. All schools should have police protection as we do in Calcasieu parish. A deputy assigned to every school here. But, example, I went to a local Jr high parked and walked right in two wide open double doors, down hall passing teachers while having no visitors badge, into commons area, back into a hallway then into the gym!! Not one person questioned me! And there was a deputy there! Security Security Security! This shouldn?t have happened!

And yet, we have priests/preachers that end up in the news for immoral acts, married couples cheating on each other, and a host of other people with questionable integrity who attend church.

Again, I consider myself a religious man. But we need to quit kidding ourselves with this idea that religion fixes everything.

By the way, Religion also taught that slavery was okay, you could trade your daughter for livestock, and that you should be put to death if you do not observe the sabboth, curse your parents, or blaspheme, among other acts.

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