Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 707765)

Right, but red snapper and other species are currently close to their maximum sustainable biomass. There is a quantity of fish that can be safely harvested from the ecosystem each year without significantly reducing future biomass.

Biomass is dominated by lower levels of the food chain (what fish eat) rather than by how many fish are available to harvest. Letting fish continue to multiply uncontrolled simply puts too much stress of forage sources and leads to lots of little, slow growing fish rather than more fat, happy, fast growing fish. Right now, black drum and red snapper are clearly over stressing their food sources, and there is some risk of real ecological damage if underfishing continues.

Only the ignorant ASSUME that every game species is on the brink of overfishing and in need of additional protections. Since populations of many larger predators (sharks, etc.) are far below historical levels, a high level of fishing pressure is necessary in many cases to maintain balanced populations and prevent too much stress of food sources. NOAA data show tripletail harvests have been steady over time (no over fishing) and ichthyoplankton surveys show that there had been no drop in reproductive rates (future biomass was safe). No limit was needed in Louisiana waters.

Originally Posted by OnePunchRex (Post 707754)

How well are the tripletail stocks "thriving" if y'all can't catch a limit of 18" fish? Go to Texas and it's common to catch limits of 18 pound fish. 18" fish are babies.

Originally Posted by ifsteve (Post 707775)

Ok then there is scientific evidence to support the current situation. Great.

W

No I aint' from TX....MS.

Originally Posted by ifsteve (Post 707775)

Ok then there is scientific evidence to support the current situation. Great.

Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 707777)

They are thriving just as good as they ever have. Where is scientific data saying that we are seeing a decline in triple tail numbers?

Texas has nothing to do with this, you are making yourself sound unintelligent when you act like Texas limits help triple tail grow bigger in Texas. We in Louisiana catch the same triple tail you do in Texas. They migrate, it's simple. Go ahead and take that dumb comment back.

People rarely run across triple tail, especially large schools. There are plenty out there, but one has to be lucky enough to run across the right rip or piece of debree. It is hard for someone to leave the dock on any given day and KNOW that they are going to find them. This is exactly why we should be able to keep them when we do find them.

When was the last time you were out there triple tail fishing? I'm tired of hearing input from people who most likely hardly ever fish.

Originally Posted by redaddiction (Post 707774)

Are only people who fish a certain amount of days a year allowed to be concerned about coastal conservation? (Even though I understand CCA does nothing) Quit making comments about people who "don't even fish Big Lake". You've done that a lot. I might fish it once a year, because i mainly fish the cocodrie area. But I am still very concerned about what's going on there. And would gladly join any grass roots effort to protect it. I am from Louisiana, and that should be good enough!

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 707771)

Yes I was a CCA member and yes I did support the CCA , but I learned quickly the CCA is nothing but a social event where guys can get away from the wife once a year and say it's for the fishing


You look around and all you see is people you never see on the water !! But hey it's cool to be CCA


Like Mathgeek said you can write letters to your senators and WL&F ( I prefer emails)

You can still support the CCA and spend you $50 a year and watch nothing unfold here on big lake and if that's cool with you that's your money


I rather talk to other chains of commands who don't have big money individuals from Lake Charles telling them what to do !!



Chenier Energy is more fired up about helping this lake than our own CCA

Chenier had done more for the lake than the CCA

Originally Posted by OnePunchRex (Post 707783)

Never said there was a decline in tripletail numbers, you made that inference

Never said anything about Texas limits making tripletail grow larger in Texas. I am aware that they're pelagic and I highly doubt that the same tripletail caught out of big lake are the same ones caught in Matagorda Bay. By the way, I live in Louisiana, not Texas. As far as dumb comments, you got that covered.

I fish about 200 days a year, so know who you're talking about before opening your mouth.

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid (Post 707788)

Who, in particular, do you suggest I write? What am I supposed to say? I don't have the answers. Also, what has Cheniere done? I haven't heard of anything. Glad to here they are stepping up.

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 707795)

We have more hard evidence that Oyster dredging is hurting us than they had on Trout and 3tail

Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 707789)

You said 18" fish are babies in Texas, like they magically get bigger when they cross into Texas waters.

Bottom line is, the little bit of data we do have shows that triple tail stocks were perfectly fine with no limit. I'm lost as to how people want to argue this fact.

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 707795)

Stand your ground on sound evidence that oyster dredging is hurting our lake

WL&F studies show the massive decline ever since oyster dredging was allowed


We have more hard evidence that Oyster dredging is hurting us than they had on Trout and 3tail

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid (Post 707807)

Is there somewhere I can see this evidence?

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid (Post 707812)

What's Cheniere doing?

Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 707789)

You said 18" fish are babies in Texas, like they magically get bigger when they cross into Texas waters.

Bottom line is, the little bit of data we do have shows that triple tail stocks were perfectly fine with no limit. I'm lost as to how people want to argue this fact.

Originally Posted by noodle creek (Post 707835)

Haha well hell, I just wish you would tell me where I can go catch a limit of 18lber's.

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid (Post 707807)

Is there somewhere I can see this evidence?

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 707832)

Chenier placed two reefs ( same as CCA )

They also donate lots of money to costal projects and will holding several meetings about the lake and what efforts they can do to help

Again More than CCA has done in a 10th of the years


Chenier is wide open to help wide open